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From Criterion's Blu-ray e-mail sent out today:
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Dear Criterion viewers,

It's been a week since we officially announced our first Blu-ray releases, and people have been writing in with a lot of questions. As we inaugurate a new Blu-ray section of our FAQ, we thought we'd share with you the five most common questions about our Blu-ray launch.

On another front, there are only three days remaining in our current special promotion. Any film in the Criterion Collection that has a spine number ending in 8 will be discounted an additional 10 percent off the regular Criterion store price. (This doesn't apply to out-of-print titles or those that can only be purchased in box sets without spines that end in 8.) Click here for a list of titles. Sale ends at midnight on Sunday, August 24.

Happy viewing!

Are Criterion's Blu-ray discs region-encoded?

Yes. Criterion is licensed to sell most of its editions only in North America.

Why should I buy regular DVDs when I don't know if Criterion will release a Blu-ray version six months from now?

If you love these films, keep buying DVDs. It is going to be quite a while before the Blu-ray marketplace can support many of the titles Criterion releases on DVD. For new releases, if we think a title has a shot of succeeding on Blu-ray, we aim to put out both editions at the same time, so you can make an informed choice. Where classics from our catalog are concerned, to give you a little extra comfort we'll be offering a $20 Blu-ray upgrade program for customers who have already bought the equivalent edition on DVD. You send us the movie disc from your DVD edition, and for $20 (plus tax and shipping) we'll exchange it for the Blu-ray version, simple as that. For more on how this works, click here.*

What is the packaging going to look like?

Our Blu-ray packaging will be similar to our DVD packaging, only in the smaller Blu-ray size. As with DVDs, we'll use a range of paper and plastic packaging, and we'll bring the same care and attention to the design. Where we're upgrading an existing release, the design will match right down to the disc labels, so if you want to take advantage of the $20 Blu-ray upgrade program, your replacement disc will fit right into the design of your existing Criterion DVD edition. In the store, if you want to be sure you're buying the Blu-ray edition and not the standard-def DVD version, you'll know it by the smaller size and the blue Blu-ray sticker on the front.

Will there be spine numbers?

Spine numbers on our Blu-ray discs will match the existing DVD editions. Our Blu-ray releases represent a significant upgrade when it comes to audiovisual quality, and many of our customers will want to take advantage of that, but we're not starting over at number 1, and we're not expecting our longstanding DVD collectors to do so either. Where content is concerned, we aren't planning on publishing anything on our Blu-ray editions that won't also be available on DVD. Whether you collect only DVDs or only Blu-ray discs or a mix, it's all part of your Criterion collection—and they'll all line up in spine-number order.

What will Criterion Blu-ray discs cost?

Criterion's Blu-ray editions will generally be priced to match our DVDs. It makes sense to us: High-definition mastering and restoration has been a part of our DVD production standard for years. And for our customers who might be on the fence about whether to buy DVD or Blu-ray, we thought the best thing we could do was take price out of the equation.
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That's the same answer regarding region coding as I got when I e-mailed Jon. And it doesn't make complete sense to me because they're still only selling them in North America regardless if it's Region A or ABC, they're not responsible for certain online stores and distributors shipping out the discs overseas.
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I was interested in how the Criterion Blu-ray upgrade program is going to work, so I sought out the link for that:

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How will the Blu-ray upgrade program work?

Just mail your disc to:

The Criterion Collection
Attn: Jon Mulvaney
215 Park Avenue South, 5th Floor
New York, NY 10003

Be sure to include your U.S. or Canadian mailing address inside the package, as we cannot ship outside of North America. Please also include your e-mail address in case we need to contact you. You can send in your disc for exchange anytime, but we won’t be sending out the Blu-ray discs until their release dates.

You can pay the $20 plus tax (New York State only) and $5 shipping and handling by a check or money order made payable to the Criterion Collection. You can also pay by PayPal by making a payment to store@criterion.com (Visa, Mastercard, American Express, and Discover welcome). If your shipping address is in New York State, the total is $26.50 for the upgrade of one DVD. If your shipping address is in any other state or in Canada, the total is $25.

We’ll mail the Blu-ray disc in a sleeve, and you'll be able to place the new disc in your existing packaging. This doesn't give you the new Blu-ray packaging, but it does give you an option if you want the Blu-ray version but don't want to buy the entire set again. This offer only applies to "like" editions. For example, you can return disc 1 of the rerelease of The Third Man but not the earlier, out-of-print edition.

If you have any questions about the Blu-ray upgrade offer please e-mail Jon Mulvaney at mulvaney@criterion.com. We reserve the right to change or discontinue this program at any time.

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While the "trade up" program is better than nothing, I'm not sure whether it is worth spending $25 for a disc only upgrade when you can get the entire BR release for an extra $4 for regular (non box set) versions, which would allow you to resell your DVD version if you wanted to.
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That's the way it looks to me Jeff.

I was thinking you'd be much better off selling the old SD set to make up for the upgrade...rather than spend $20+ to give up an SD disc to get a BD disc.

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Yeah, at first glance I was excited about the upgrade program, but as I read how it actually worked the excitement quickly faded. It doesn't seem like much of a deal or upgrade pricing (yet, I tend to understand why they chose that price point). I think I will either just buy the Blu editions or do as Mike suggests.
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The upgrade could be worth it for The Man Who Fell to Earth (since it seems that the Blu-ray will not have a copy of the novel.)
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"Are Criterion's Blu-ray discs region-encoded?

Yes. Criterion is licensed to sell most of its editions only in North America."

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That's the same answer regarding region coding as I got when I e-mailed Jon. And it doesn't make complete sense to me because they're still only selling them in North America regardless if it's Region A or ABC, they're not responsible for certain online stores and distributors shipping out the discs overseas.

Yes, and I know for a fact, that many of their SD DVD-releases are "R0" (some are "R1", though). Perhaps this is again something that they have to add to their "FAQ", but many releases are actually "R0" in "real life"? Well, I guess not.. I guess their policy is a bit old-fashioned.

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The upgrade could be worth it for The Man Who Fell to Earth (since it seems that the Blu-ray will not have a copy of the novel.)

Would something like that be considered "like edition" though?

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The first five Criterion blu-ray discs are now up for pre-order on Amazon. I pre-ordered this morning. The average price is $28 per disc.

Being my first post, I'm can't post the links, yet, but they're at Amazon now.

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Would something like that be considered "like edition" though?

_Man_

I think so. It seems to me that the "like edition" is, from the example they give, a reference to titles that have been rereleased with new transfers and extras (Seven Samurai, Yojimbo, Amarcord, etc.)
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Yes, and I know for a fact, that many of their SD DVD-releases are "R0" (some are "R1", though). Perhaps this is again something that they have to add to their "FAQ", but many releases are actually "R0" in "real life"? Well, I guess not.. I guess their policy is a bit old-fashioned.
As far as I know all their DVD releases after #305 "Le Samurai" have the regioncode 1.
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Region coding for DVD isn't even worth mentioning though. At least in Europe I think it's actually more difficult to find a player that can't be unlocked using the remote than one that can, and it has been that way for years.

I was hoping something similar would happen with Blu-ray but so far the closest thing I've seen are pre-modded versions that cost a fortune.
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Isn't it against Blu-Ray spec to include region coding after a title has been out for a year? So theoretically, these titles will all be available region-free next fall.
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I've read about that "rule" before, but Blu-ray has been around for how many years now, and I have never seen even one example of this actually being implemented.
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I've read about that "rule" before, but Blu-ray has been around for how many years now, and I have never seen even one example of this actually being implemented.
I wondered if it was actually being implemented. I would like to pick up Fox's release of The Fountain with DTS-HDMA but it's initial release was Region B.

Anyone else know if this rule is being enforced?
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Isn't it against Blu-Ray spec to include region coding after a title has been out for a year? So theoretically, these titles will all be available region-free next fall.
Well, all US Fox and MGM titles have been region-coded - both new and catalog titles.
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I wish that they would renumber from 1. Since many of the DVD titles are out of print, and I didn't buy them while they were available, it'd be nice to be able to start fresh on a blu-ray collection.

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Crap! Did anyone else see on Criterion's "Coming Soon" page that all of the blu-ray releases have been pushed backed by a month or more?

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I figured something like that was going on when amazon sent an email regarding a delay for The Last Emperor and The Third Man about a week ago.

Oh well. As long as they actually make it out and I can own them at some point not a huge deal.
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Crap! Did anyone else see on Criterion's "Coming Soon" page that all of the blu-ray releases have been pushed backed by a month or more?

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"More"? Last time I checked, November 18 or 25 to December 16 was a month or less. What title(s) were moved back more than a month?
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I believe The Last Emperor is now 1/6/09.
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"More"? Last time I checked, November 18 or 25 to December 16 was a month or less. What title(s) were moved back more than a month?

Yes, "The Last Emporer"... now to January 2009.

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I wish TLE would be moved back waaaaay more than just 1/2009 -- w/ the wishful thinking that maybe, just maybe, Criterion will relent and give it to us in OAR regardless of what Storraro wants. But unfortunately, I'm sure that's not gonna happen.

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Well, the Last Emperor OAR issue isn't QUITE as bad as it sounds.
While Storaro is, I assume, insane now (re: 2.00:1) I do think there's a lot of credibility to the 2.20:1 argument, and if the film is supposed to be seen 2.2:1, then 2.0:1 becomes slightly easier to stomach.
(Not sure if this has been covered in the thread, but basically Bertolluci has said, in defense of Storaro, that the composition was deliberate loose on the assumption that the ideal way for audiences to see this film would be in the larger cinemas that could show 70mm (2.2:1) prints.

While we're on wishful thinking, my idea of an 'ideal' presentation for Last Emperor would be the theatrical cut in a thinner ratio (2.20:1, but 2.0:1 is still almost acceptable) and the 'extended cut' in a completely unmatted presentation (2.35:1, I assume) given that the extended cut is intended as more of a 'see everything that got cut' curiosity while the theatrical cut should adhere to the director's intent (which I believe is 2.2:1)

Moving away from wishful thinking now, into the realm of reasonable expectations, I would hope that Criterion will use this as an opportunity to include all the DVD extras (the missing essays and the Man Who Fell novel)
They don't have to be printed (blu-ray disks cost a few extra cents each to produce, so if Criterion can make up those cents with less printed materials, great ) but I would hope that Criterion is going to at least present those missing extras in some format (pdf files, or even just on their website (for the essays))
The missing novel in 'Man Who Fell To Earth' is a darn big problem already, but even the missing essays present a problematic precedent (and I'm not even a fan of essays) What happens if Criterion releases (unlikely) The King of Kings or (more likely) The Bicycle Thieves, both of which have most of their extras in books and booklets which would, presumably, be dropped for blu-ray.
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Just got the notice from Amazon about MWFTE being pushed back the Dec 23, which I actually don't mind, since I don't have a player yet.

I too would hope that the books would be included, but I think this is a logistical problem that will affect every Criterion title that had a book of some kind, since the case size for BD is smaller (if I'm not mistaken... I've never seen a BD in person).
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I wish TLE would be moved back waaaaay more than just 1/2009 -- w/ the wishful thinking that maybe, just maybe, Criterion will relent and give it to us in OAR regardless of what Storraro wants. But unfortunately, I'm sure that's not gonna happen.

_Man_

I agree, I don't think there's any way to avoid Criterion releasing a butchered version of The Last Emperor. It's like you can see the lights of the train coming but there's nothing you can do to get off the tracks.

I think it's time to dump the term OAR because the concept is too limited. It is unable to deal with artists who don't care for the original version or change their minds, sometimes decades after the movies have been released. It's fine if artists want to recut or rebuild their movies but the Original Theatrical Release should always be preserved and available. For me, this revised Last Emperor will sit in the Hall of Shame alongside the Star Wars trilogy. I personally won't buy or rent it.
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Well, the Last Emperor OAR issue isn't QUITE as bad as it sounds.
While Storaro is, I assume, insane now (re: 2.00:1) I do think there's a lot of credibility to the 2.20:1 argument, and if the film is supposed to be seen 2.2:1, then 2.0:1 becomes slightly easier to stomach.
(Not sure if this has been covered in the thread, but basically Bertolluci has said, in defense of Storaro, that the composition was deliberate loose on the assumption that the ideal way for audiences to see this film would be in the larger cinemas that could show 70mm (2.2:1) prints.

Have you done any actual comparisons at all to come to that conclusion?

Admittedly, I have not compared for the entire film, but I've tried comparing a handful of scenes (not just a couple screenshots easily found at places like DVD Beaver). And yes, I have serious doubts about the 2.2:1 theory being true based on what I found in my own (albeit limited) comparisons.

Yes, I might agree that 2.2:1 *might* be *acceptable*, but I really doubt that's the ideal framing. And 2.0:1 would definitely necessitate some panning and scanning of the original frame for anything acceptable and *will* w/out a doubt alter the composition. Also, it's pretty clear that at least some shots on the new 2.0:1 DVD have the framing a bit off to boot, not just cropped in the best way possible, eg. shots that used to be centered are now noticeably off center.

For some details on what I mean, see the following post (and various other comments in that thread):

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...ml#post3324046

Also, can you provide a link to the quote that Bertollucci actually claims it was ideally framed for 2.2:1, instead of something wider? I have not seen such a thing. All I've ever seen is that Bertollucci merely defered the matter to Storraro w/out any definitive (and convincing) explanation for the 2.0:1 crop. Such a link would be much appreciated.

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Ditto. Thanks, Man.

I have wearied on this issue.

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Forget shopping... there's a review up for Criterion's "The Third Man" now!

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