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TCM In HD --- When?

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This topic may have come up before, but does anyone have an idea as to when TCM (and/or Fox Movie Channel) plans to begin broadcasting in high-definition? I'm hopeful that DirecTV will make the station (s) available in HD sometime within the next year, but haven't heard any confirmation along these lines. Anyone know?
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This topic may have come up before, but does anyone have an idea as to when TCM (and/or Fox Movie Channel) plans to begin broadcasting in high-definition? I'm hopeful that DirecTV will make the station (s) available in HD sometime within the next year, but haven't heard any confirmation along these lines. Anyone know?

To get true HD quality, they would have to get ahold of HD transfers for all those classic films. Judging from the lack of classics/catalogue titles on HDM disk, it doesn't look like HD classics are a priority for the studios. HD DVD has a few more than Blu-Ray (and they are outstanding!!), but HD DVD is dead.

But who knows, maybe these channels could go HD and help subsidize the cost of upgrading the films to HD. Then the studios would begin releasing them on Blu-Ray and we can all be happy.

But I doubt it.
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HDNet shows a LOT of movies in HD, many of which are the kind one would associate with TCM (in fact, I sometimes see movies airing on TCM shortly after they've been on HDNet Movies or vice versa). This tells me that many of the HD transfers are already done. I have, however, seen relatively few movies from the pre-1950s black and white era on HDNet.
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HDNet shows a LOT of movies in HD, many of which are the kind one would associate with TCM (in fact, I sometimes see movies airing on TCM shortly after they've been on HDNet Movies or vice versa). This tells me that many of the HD transfers are already done. I have, however, seen relatively few movies from the pre-1950s black and white era on HDNet.

I am certain way less than 5% of the movies TCM shows have HD transfers. You are correct a few show up on HDNet Movies and there were a few on HD DVD and a couple on Blu-ray, but TCM couldn't even start with one true HD movie a day at this point. I hope it happens but I will continue to watch TCM even if it doesn't happen. Great movies in the original aspect ratio make that the best cable channel ever in my opinion.

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TCM plays all movies in OAR to settle one question also to answer the big question about availability of HD films.
way back in ancient times BDVD(the time of laserdisc.) Most films transferred in WS were transferred on to tape using a D1 recorder.
It's specs are superior to HD and if restoration was done, it was put back on to a D1 0r 2 machine as a new master with specs better that HD. those masters were kept and would still comprise a HD source just as they were used for DVD an dare available for BluRay transfer in full HD as would the 1080i version for TCM.
Even old B&W movies thta were restored would be mastered for D1or2
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HDNet shows a LOT of movies in HD, many of which are the kind one would associate with TCM (in fact, I sometimes see movies airing on TCM shortly after they've been on HDNet Movies or vice versa). This tells me that many of the HD transfers are already done. I have, however, seen relatively few movies from the pre-1950s black and white era on HDNet.
I suspect that HD Net 's philosophy is that if the film isn't widescreen then they are not interested.
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I suspect that HD Net 's philosophy is that if the film isn't widescreen then they are not interested.
Not quite since I watched Red River on HD Net Movies channel.
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TCM plays all movies in OAR to settle one question

Not all of them. Most of them are shown OAR, but occasionally something will show up that isn't.

A few months back they showed Otto Preminger's SKIDOO, shot widescreen, yet the film was panned and scanned. It was one of the first TV airings ever, so you really can't blame them. It was all that was available, as Paramount isn't a fan of the film.
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TCM plays all movies in OAR to settle one question also to answer the big question about availability of HD films.
way back in ancient times BDVD(the time of laserdisc.) Most films transferred in WS were transferred on to tape using a D1 recorder.
It's specs are superior to HD and if restoration was done, it was put back on to a D1 0r 2 machine as a new master with specs better that HD. those masters were kept and would still comprise a HD source just as they were used for DVD an dare available for BluRay transfer in full HD as would the 1080i version for TCM.
Even old B&W movies thta were restored would be mastered for D1or2

But there is the stock cost, time factor (labor) and deck rentals associated with bumping a d1/d2 to SR or D5, additionally those widescreen masters were probably done in 4x3 letterbox rather than anamorphic, so they will need to be properly unconverted to an anamorphic (the pro decks would have an upconvert card if you pay for it, such as the fit_H upconvert setting on a dvcpro 1700 deck) image, unfortunately this would result in some vertical cropping on a 1.66:1 film. Likewise all films with a native aspect ratio of 1.33:1 would need to be upconverted into a pillarboxed anamorphic tape.

So basically you're looking at making new tapes for every movie that plays on TCM. since their air masters are probably just digibetas, this would be a long and expensive process for them. If TCM does go HD I could see them doing it as a channel with a separate programming schedule with only a library of their 1000 most popular films (casablanca etc) that they keep in heavy rotation and it would probably skew towards the 70s-90s rather than the 30s-50s the current scheduling tends towards. Of course the problem with a separate programming schedule is you need an entirely new minimum staff to run it. And it's not as though TCM is selling a lot of advertising to pay for all of this.

if we do see a TCM HD channel I imagine it would have to be a pay premium, ala HBO, 10$ a month or so.
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Slightly off-topic, but still relevant... AMC (American Movie Classics) just started an HD channel in our area. What a f---ing waste of bandwidth space! The other night they were showing "Escape from the Planet of the Apes" in a 4X3 panned-and-scanned master, stretched on the sides to fit the widescreen frame! I mean, for christ sake, if you're not going to air a true HD master, you can at least take a standard 16x9 transfer and upconvert to Hi-def. Even consumers now have DVD players that upconvert to HD.
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I have Cablevision and I just noticed TCM-HD today. It is channel 734 for those who have this cable provider.

They're showing an older film right now so I don't know what the pic quality will be like. It is windowboxed properly though and looks better than the standard def channel. We'll see when they show Dr. Strangelove tonight how good the HD looks (if they show it in HD).
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Have long wondered when my favorite old movie channel - TCM - might start broadcasting in HD, and just became aware yesterday that TCM HD has been available in some areas since maybe last Christmas! Which explains the windowboxed promos, bumpers, Robert Osborne bits, etc, I've been seeing for many months.

Called our local Insight Cable office today, got an operator who knew nothing about TCM HD, but promised to make my wishes known to the person "in charge of programming" here in Evansville, IN. She volunteered that if it's added, it might wind up in a small extra-cost package of HD movie channels they offer locally over-and-above the 50+ basic HD channels. "But who knows," she said.

I think I'll start holding my breath - right now!
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doesn't appear either direct tv or dish network has it. Los Angeles' only cable provider also doesn't seem to have it.

I'm currently TV less but with an eye towards getting cable or satellite at football season, TCM HD would make that almost a certainty.
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Here's hoping that Comcast drops the terrible AMC-HD channel and adds TCM-HD in its place.
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Time Warner Cable of Staten Island doesn't have TCM HD yet but appears to be holding open the currently vacant channel 782 for it. IFC SD is on channel 81 and TCM SD is on channel 82. The hi-def channels usually are in the matching 700 block:

781 IFC HD
782 (not assigned)
783 MLB Network HD

I can't figure out why Cablevision got it before TWC, after all TW owns TCM.
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I would love to have TCM-HD! (though I wish they would show more action/adventure/sci-fi/horror films and fewer love stories)

I've never seen an HD version of a black & white film so am looking forward to that!
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