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Re: Jericho Season 2 thread

I faithfully watched them when they came on the set Adam. Though you're right about the other. I didn't get my three from online.. (there are benefits to knowing some people) but I did wonder about that too.
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It's one of those question marks. Leaking them online early definitely built up a good deal of excellent word of mouth. But looking at the ratings, they're pretty stagnant with the final episodes of last season that got it canned initially. That being the case, perhaps it would have been better to make people watch it live. I dunno. Either way, another excellent episode. This would likely be my top show right now even if the other shows weren't off the air. Even if the show gets cancelled again, writing letters and such was worth it for these episodes. The promise of the previous season finale is really being achieved here.
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It's on at a bad timeslot, rarely anything grows in such shadows that is the 10 p.m timeslot on Tuesdays. Serialized shows needs an earlier timeslot, while more inert, less-serialized procedurals (CSIs, Law & Orders, etc) can subsist in the later timeslots.

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Episode Three was the episode after which CBS was to make their decision.

Really? Too bad. I assume then that the remaining 4 episodes will be the end. A shame since I think I could easily spend a few more years in this world with these characters. This show is a great "what if?"

Anyway, I'm just glad we got this bonus Mini-season. I'm honestly surprised it hasn't done better in the ratings.

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That was the best episode to date. The tension was very high. And even though we now know the major goodies and baddies, the interaction between an increasing number of characters who are undecided (but mostly want to do the right thing) is brilliantly executed. Hawkins having his hand forced was a big plot development, and it's good to see him working a little more in the open.

It's also great to see the unwavering commitment of the producers to this great show, and I appreciate their promise to complete the story one way or another. For that reason more than any other, I'm glad I stuck with Jericho. However things turn out regarding a third season, this is turning out to be a great (albeit short) season of television.

Aside: Contrast this with USA Network's The 4400, which I'm sorry I EVER watched since the network won't let the producers give us an ending to the story. They say it "had a good run", as if it were a non-serialized show, like Psych. They just don't seem to get it.

So I'm going to sit down and write a nice letter to CBS and thank them for their investment in Jericho, and for believing in their production staff enough to allow them to finish telling us a great story (again, one way or another). After being yanked around by networks like FOX and USA, I actually find it heartwarming that CBS would treat Jericho fans so decently. Thanks, CBS!

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If you wouldn't have been counted if you watched real time (because you're not tracked by Nielsen), you won't be missed if you don't.

As a person who has yet to watch the show (yet, I continue to collect it), I heard all about how people would get out the word so people would watch Jericho, but once the renewal came down, I heard little about it until now. Maybe the "movement" just wasn't successful in bringing in a lot of new viewers. And maybe it especially wasn't able to bring in new viewers, some of who felt they'd be coming into the middle of a story and didn't know how to catch up.

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I do wonder the impact of having these three episodes online so far in advance had on the ratings. It could be especially damaging since Episode Three was the episode after which CBS was to make their decision.
I don't know this for sure, but I have to think that CBS can track how many "unique visitors" streamed/downloaded(?) these episodes and if the number increased or decreased from episode to episode. It seems to me that data could be factored alongside the Nielsen numbers to create a better picture of the actual show's rating performance.

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Thefutoncritic.com posted the ratings for last night. Were they up from last week?
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I know they filmed two endings for the show. One if they get renewed and the other if they don't. I hope either way that when the dvd comes out. We get the other ending as a bonus.

Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.

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If you wouldn't have been counted if you watched real time (because you're not tracked by Nielsen), you won't be missed if you don't.
Of course, but the Nielsen ratings are a representative sample. If a lot of sci fi fans grabbed the leaked copies that showed up on bittorrents and thus felt no need to rewatch during the broadcast, a representative sample with Nielsen boxes probably did the same.
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Maybe the "movement" just wasn't successful in bringing in a lot of new viewers. And maybe it especially wasn't able to bring in new viewers, some of who felt they'd be coming into the middle of a story and didn't know how to catch up.
That is certainly possible. Considering that the hard numbers have remained static from the end of last season, the question is whether the new viewers replaced loyal fans who watched the first three online before they aired or if there were very few new viewers and the hard core fans with Nielsen boxes were loyal enough to continue to tune in. If it's the former scenario, ratings should pick up next week. If it's the latter, I think we're going to have to accept that 7 million is "Jericho's" sweet spot.
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I don't know this for sure, but I have to think that CBS can track how many "unique visitors" streamed/downloaded(?) these episodes and if the number increased or decreased from episode to episode. It seems to me that data could be factored alongside the Nielsen numbers to create a better picture of the actual show's rating performance.
Absolutely. The strong online numbers were a big part of this belated renewal. However, the episodes I was talking about were leaked illegally and therefore not in any official channels that can be counted.
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Thefutoncritic.com posted the ratings for last night. Were they up from last week?
Exactly identical in terms of hard viewer numbers: 7 million. However, because the total number of viewers was down, the show posted its best audience share of the season.
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Yep. Which means that CBS has a show with a known established core. Not bad if it decides to leap.
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Dupe. Weird.
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It's kind of like a stacked deck, given the late time slot and the leaked episodes. In any case, I think CBS will weigh the decision more carefully than they did last season. Great show sometimes take awhie to build an audience. It looks like Jericho is growing audience share, but it's not a "runaway hit."

But then, neither was "The X-files"...well, not at first.

...and yes, another great episode last night...

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Late to the party, but I just finished a marathon of season one over the weekend while I was down with the flu. Now I'm caught up on the first three episodes of this season as well and all I can say is that I really hope they continue this show either on CBS or another network. I'm finding that it gets better as it goes on(which is rare for most shows these days) and I think there is a ton of life left in this show if someone will just give it a chance. I'm just glad I finally decided to watch it because it's the most entertaining thing I've seen on TV in a while.

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So what was the deal toward the end, just after the J&R girl shredded the document that showed her changing the order log of the vaccines, it appeared there was a person in the foreground? Was I imagining that?
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So what was the deal toward the end, just after the J&R girl shredded the document that showed her changing the order log of the vaccines, it appeared there was a person in the foreground? Was I imagining that?

No, I think it was to imply that someone was coming in, she was trying to catch the fax immediately because it gets checked often.
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Updated version of national map:
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I've noticed fewer songs this season - probably a result of budget cuts. Given dislike of most of Jericho's music choices in season 1, which I have expressed here in the past, I'm pretty happy about that.
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Nice job on the map, Adam -- I totally dig it. (There's also the Hawaii-nuking revealed on Hawkins's map in "Reconstruction" that's missing here).

Of course, on another related note, I just wish that someone would slap the producers upside their heads and tell them to get consistent with the total number of attacked cities -- it's now far more than 23 (there are already 24 on your map alone, and the Hawaii-bomb brings it up 25), and in fact it's possibly closer to, or even exceeding, 30 now, depending on how certain pieces of evidence are interpreted.

I wrote a big piece over on Wikipedia under a different handle (in the discussion section of the show's article) breaking down the total number of bombs...and it was up to something like 32 or 33 before we got yet another attacked city on Hawkins's map in the season premiere.

Looking again, there's also the St. Louis bomb missing from that map (on the terrorists' final target list just hours before everything blew up), but otherwise you did a great job with it.


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I've noticed fewer songs this season - probably a result of budget cuts. Given dislike of most of Jericho's music choices in season 1, which I have expressed here in the past, I'm pretty happy about that.

I had no problems with the original broadcast music and I thought it enhanced the first season, IMO. But I'm glad they scaled back this season, it has worked out very well. And we shouldn’t be seeing any music replacements on the Season 2 DVD if these last four refrain from going nuts with the music. I swear CBS/Paramount is getting worse with keeping things intact on DVD.

This season so far has been really good, so I really want it complete when the DVD is finally released.

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No, I think it was to imply that someone was coming in, she was trying to catch the fax immediately because it gets checked often.
Methinks she's toast.
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Nice job on the map, Adam -- I totally dig it. (There's also the Hawaii-nuking revealed on Hawkins's map in "Reconstruction" that's missing here).
Where abouts was that (ie. what island) in Hawaii? I'll be sure to add it to the next iteration of the map.
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Of course, on another related note, I just wish that someone would slap the producers upside their heads and tell them to get consistent with the total number of attacked cities -- it's now far more than 23 (there are already 24 on your map alone, and the Hawaii-bomb brings it up 25), and in fact it's possibly closer to, or even exceeding, 30 now, depending on how certain pieces of evidence are interpreted.
That's a real frustration for me as well. There are, by my count, only five nuclear attacks that we have rock-solid confirmation on:
  1. Atlanta, Georgia [Confirmed by the message left on Dale's answering machine in the pilot]
  2. Baltimore, Maryland (confirmed by Sarah Mason on the now-defunct Mystery Woman portal on the official CBS website]
  3. Denver, Colorado [We saw the mushroom cloud in the pilot]
  4. Lawrence, Kansas [Confirmed by Gray Anderson in "Long Live the Mayor"]
  5. Washington, D.C. [Confirmed by the television going dead in the middle of the joint session of Congress, Gray Anderson in "Long Live the Mayor", and Sarah Mason on the now-defunct Mystery Woman portal on the official CBS website
For the rest of the attacks, marked as "Reported" in silver and red on my map, we have to rely on heresay or glimpses of the following maps: the Black Jack map, the map in the "Heart of Winter" house, and Robert Hawkins's map. Since all are relying on very informal means of communication, none can be considered conclusively dependable. I figured that once electricity and government were re-established, we'd get a definitive list, but considering the nature of the Allied government, one has to take what they say with a grain of salt as well.
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Looking again, there's also the St. Louis bomb missing from that map (on the terrorists' final target list just hours before everything blew up), but otherwise you did a great job with it.
I intentionally avoided using the list of intended targets glimpsed in the flashback episode because there's a big difference between intention and action. We already know that two of the cities on that list — Columbus and New York City — did not suffer actual detonation, the former because Hawkins fled with the bomb and the later because NYPD found the bomb before it could be detonated. Since I could find no other evidence that the attack on St. Louis was successful, I assumed the attack was a failure.
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I had no problems with the original broadcast music and I thought it enhanced the first season, IMO. But I'm glad they scaled back this season, it has worked out very well. And we shouldn’t be seeing any music replacements on the Season 2 DVD if these last four refrain from going nuts with the music. I swear CBS/Paramount is getting worse with keeping things intact on DVD.
That's why I prefer the scaled back use of pop music, too. Also, considering the more serious tone of this season, I think the score fits better. But mainly, I'd like to buy this season on DVD, and I only make purchases with the original broadcast intact.
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This season so far has been really good, so I really want it complete when the DVD is finally released.
Exactly.
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I liked the somber pop in season 1- Snow Patrol and Foo Fighters to name just two. It really enhanced the episodes in my opinion.

With the fast pace of this season I see why they ditched the pop this time around. I'd like it back if things settle down more in season 3. Then, maybe it won't ever settle down, which is also fine.

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Washington, D.C.

I'm not sure if I got that. I mean, the fact that the TV broadcast went dead doesn't mean much. A Nuclear Blast anywhere could cause the relay broadcast to go dead (the satellite feed) which would have the same base result. So I'm not sure.

Sometime the myth of things grow. -We- know for sure about a set #, but rumors and speculation by people who don't know are sure to be rampant. I'm surprised there aren't reports of dozens of blast sites that aren't real, made up by people no where near them.. but just haven't heard from anyone there (so they assume)
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I intentionally avoided using the list of intended targets glimpsed in the flashback episode because there's a big difference between intention and action. We already know that two of the cities on that list — Columbus and New York City — did not suffer actual detonation, the former because Hawkins fled with the bomb and the later because NYPD found the bomb before it could be detonated. Since I could find no other evidence that the attack on St. Louis was successful, I assumed the attack was a failure.
Although it's interesting to note too that none of the maps seen in the series to date match up with each other 100 percent completely, and also that the St. Louis bomb was right there on the list just hours beforehand. Being there at "zero hour," it's probable that the terrorists had one lined up and ready to blow, although (as you point out) it's intriguing that we've heard nothing of this bomb since "The Day Before."

It might be that the bomb was intercepted, but then again, you'd probably think Valente's government would've made a huge deal about foiling one of the terrorists' nukings...chalk it all up to another writer-inconsistency, I guess.


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I'm not sure if I got that. I mean, the fact that the TV broadcast went dead doesn't mean much. A Nuclear Blast anywhere could cause the relay broadcast to go dead (the satellite feed) which would have the same base result. So I'm not sure.

Sometime the myth of things grow. -We- know for sure about a set #, but rumors and speculation by people who don't know are sure to be rampant. I'm surprised there aren't reports of dozens of blast sites that aren't real, made up by people no where near them.. but just haven't heard from anyone there (so they assume)
Maybe, but there's also the fact that the President, the VP, the entire Cabinet, Congress, and everyone else in Washington is, well...dead, and their successors fighting over the remnants.

(Right there's pretty much all the proof I needed that D.C. got taken out. )
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Maybe, but there's also the fact that the President, the VP, the entire Cabinet, Congress, and everyone else in Washington is, well...dead, and their successors fighting over the remnants.
Didn't the phones of Jericho get called by the Secretary of Homeland Security? When people picked up, the message said, "Please hold for a message from the Secretary of Homeland Security." Then the EMP came, and they never got the message.


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There are regional Homeland Security facilities (sort of like command centers) set up around the country, which are intended to send out messages like that in the event of a loss of centralized leadership...the people of Jericho evidently got one coming from one of the "Midwest" zone-centers.
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Sometime the myth of things grow. -We- know for sure about a set #, but rumors and speculation by people who don't know are sure to be rampant. I'm surprised there aren't reports of dozens of blast sites that aren't real, made up by people no where near them.. but just haven't heard from anyone there (so they assume)
That exactly why I only have five of the blasts marked as Confirmed Hits despite the fact that most of the others were almost certainly detonated. Those are the five that we have first-hand evidence of.
I will say this: If all the reported hits actually occured, it's no shocker that the legitimate U.S. government out of Columbus is in worse shape than the Allied government out of Cheyenne. Only nine nuclear attacks in Allied territory (including one right on the Blue Line) versus 13 nuclear attacks in the Eastern Block — 14 if you include St. Louis. Factor in the discrepancy in land area, and the situation becomes even more skewed: The Allied territory (including all of Louisiana for mathematical purposes) suffered one attack for every 185,000 square miles. The Eastern Block suffered one attack for every 77,900 miles; one for every 72,350 square miles if you count St. Louis. So from a real, on the ground standpoint, the Eastern Block suffered twice the damage that the Allied territory suffered from just the initial attacks alone. Factor in the virus which was likely unleashed to finish off what the NYC and Columbus bombs failed to do, and it's not exactly the legitimate government's fault that they're faring far worse.
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It might be that the bomb was intercepted, but then again, you'd probably think Valente's government would've made a huge deal about foiling one of the terrorists' nukings...chalk it all up to another writer-inconsistency, I guess.
Except that it's right on the Blue Line. The fewer questions raised about what's happening west of the Mississippi, the better from his point of view.
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Didn't the phones of Jericho get called by the Secretary of Homeland Security? When people picked up, the message said, "Please hold for a message from the Secretary of Homeland Security." Then the EMP came, and they never got the message.
It was a completely automated system. It cut to an empty podium in a white house press office style room. There was no one to deliver the message.
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It was a completely automated system. It cut to an empty podium in a white house press office style room. There was no one to deliver the message.
I forget when this part happened. Was it short after the blasts, or was it a week or so after?


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I forget when this part happened. Was it short after the blasts, or was it a week or so after?
It was in the fifth episode, "Federal Response," during the brief period after power was restored to the town but before the EMP wiped out all technology and sent them right back to the stone age. AFAIK, the episode was never explicit about how much time had passed since the attacks, though children were being sent back to school.

The Official Jericho Wiki puts the events of the episode at two weeks after the attacks, though no sources are cited and some of the other info conflicts with what's established in the show (ie. that the attacks took place in 2009, not 2006)
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