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Re: Jericho Season 2 thread

If you are an HBO Wire fan than you had to be waiting for Marlo to be selling some drugs towards the end. I guess he got out of the city just in time.

I thought the show concluded pretty well and if it had to go I am happy with the ending.

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They rushed through the episode. It's too bad it wasn't a 90 min or 2 hour episode so they could have flushed out some more details. It seemed like there were a lot more commercials than ususal. I hope that Jericho finds a new home and if they do I am assuming that they will focus on the new civil war.

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I agree that it was rushed. I can't help but think if another network does pick it up, the show will suffer due to them airing the "finale" instead of the cliffhanger ending. If it got picked up, could they just air the other ending and pretend this one never even happened?
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Yeah, I thought that was just about a perfect season ender, so I can't imagine what the cliffhanger ending would have been.
Perhaps they would have ended the episode with the Cheyenne fighters about to fire on Jake? That would have been the best cliffhanger spot in the episode.

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There were a couple of story elements that I thought rang untrue. Primarily, Beck opening Hawkins laptop and going directly to all of the conspiracy evidence without even pressing a key.
Unless Hawkins wanted to make sure that the conspiracy evidence was immediately seen in case something did happen to him. He could have disabled any PC logon password and had the pdf of the evidence come up on boot-up. The important security to him would have been making sure that the file couldn't be deleted.

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the show will suffer due to them airing the "finale" instead of the cliffhanger ending. If it got picked up, could they just air the other ending and pretend this one never even happened?

I'm not quite sure why some think a new season would be hampered by lack of a cliffhanger from the season before. It's also not like this "ending" didn't leave room for more stories.

Put me in the group that much prefers a series not to have a cliffhanger as its final episode. Even if its future was uncertain, I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Anyway, while I'm still a little fuzzy on some of the details and logic, it was a very good ride.

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Here's Part 2 of the interview with Carol Barbee on TVGuide.com.

The Jericho Finale You Didn't See: An Inside Look - TV Matt'rs | TVGuide.com

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Here's Part 2 of the interview with Carol Barbee on TVGuide.com.

The Jericho Finale You Didn't See: An Inside Look - TV Matt'rs | TVGuide.com
I don't know if it is just me, but what she says in the final answer is a bit confusing. In any case, it is different than what I first thought it would be, but as most of us here know, there is plenty of room for more stories.

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The finale was a little rushed, but very satisfying. I think the most logical cliffhanger moment would have been the Cheyenne Airplanes of Doom, which would mean that NO story or plot elements would have changed between the two endings. The cliffhanger would simply have delayed Texas flying in to save the day until the next season and un-rushed the rest of the episode to fill in the extra time. So if it gets picked up for a third season, there won't be any reason, story-wise, to pine for the cliffhanger. I strongly suspect that the only thing the cliffhanger would offer over the conclusion (besides the clifhanger) is slightly better pacing.

And if the series had ended with Jake and Robert about to be shot down, I would not have been happy.

Regarding Hawkins' laptop, we've seen the security measures Hawkins takes to secure his data. But Hawkins is no dummy, and if your mission is to expose a conspiracy, at some point the data you've gathered becomes an asset rather than a liability. I have no problem thinking that he set his laptop to boot up with the damning documents before he hit the road for Texas. Indeed, given the security measures we've seen him use, there's no other explanation but that Hawkins wanted whoever discovered the laptop to see the data.

I hope it gets picked up by another network, but even if it doesn't, it's been a great show and a lot of fun.

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I'm not quite sure why some think a new season would be hampered by lack of a cliffhanger from the season before. It's also not like this "ending" didn't leave room for more stories.
I guess my thinking is that the ending we got crammed half a season's worth of story into one episode. If it's just a matter of the last 10 minutes or so getting tacked on, then I guess I'm fine with it.
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I thought this was a very satisfying season/series ending show. I have been a huge fan of this show since season 1, but I think it will be difficult to continue the show without being a re-hash of Red Dawn.

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there's no other explanation but that Hawkins wanted whoever discovered the laptop to see the data.

Yeah, I took it that way too.. that this was his effort to influence someone he believed was at least a decent man to see the truth. That he wanted this to be seen, in hopes it would change minds.. influencing Texas would help Texas.. but if he could break the ranks of the Cheyenne Military, then it would help even more.
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I guess my thinking is that the ending we got crammed half a season's worth of story into one episode.
Huh, I don't really see that as a problem the episode had; I think the biggest issue was that all the characters who were not Jake or Hawkins (and Beck, I guess), were just sort of standing around making obligatory appearances. Heck, even Jake was kind of passive; I was expecting him to have to fly low and evade the fighters or something rather than just looking worried only to be saved by the Texans.

Similarly, it looks like it's a good thing that cliffhanger wasn't used; it sounds like it would have bad the main effect of pulling the action away from Jericho, KS, and focusing the series even more on Hawkins than a community trying to survive in a dangerous new world.
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Huh, I don't really see that as a problem the episode had;
I didn't have a problem with the episode in that regard really either. My problem is just if the show does get picked up by another network, what we could have potentially missed out on story-wise if the finale was written and filmed with the intention that there would be more episodes.

Bottom line, I enjoyed the finale and I don't fault CBS for anything they did.
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I liked the ending and to me it was "emotionally satisfying". I would've just liked to see a happy reunion, last shot of Jake and Hawkins walking back into Jericho and being greeted by their families and friends. Cheesy yes but that's just me I guess.

By the way, there's plenty of story left to be told if the show was to be picked up by another company. The main story of course would be the civil war that's about to happen. Also what about the main J&R guy behind the attack that conveniently escaped Jake's bullets? Or Beck saying to his men to get ready for a fight coming their way (from the Cheyenne army)? Plenty of interesting possibilities if you ask me.

But if this is it for the show, I'm really glad that the powers that be gave it a second chance and that we got to see 7 excellent, nail-biting, edge-of-your-seat episodes.

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Also what about the main J&R guy behind the attack that conveniently escaped Jake's bullets?

Did he? I thought he was hit and even fell over.
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I thought I saw Jake try to run after him but then decided to stick around and help Hawkins back up. I don't remember seeing him drop dead. But I could be mistaken...

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I thought I saw Jake try to run after him but then decided to stick around and help Hawkins back up. I don't remember seeing him drop dead. But I could be mistaken...
Come to think of it I do remember someone running away, but it was pretty chaotic and I suppose it could have been him. But it could have been one of those other guys that was there.
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If you are an HBO Wire fan than you had to be waiting for Marlo to be selling some drugs towards the end. I guess he got out of the city just in time.

Quite a demotion though. A Baltimore drug lord to a corporal. At least he ended up on the good side.
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Come to think of it I do remember someone running away, but it was pretty chaotic and I suppose it could have been him. But it could have been one of those other guys that was there.

It looked to me like he was hit in the shoulder or arm, but managed to get away.


The finale was good, better than I expected with all of the ends that needed tying up in one hour. But I'd like to see this story continue some how. Books or comics if nothing else.
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So, what is the fascination George Mason has with radialogical devices?

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It looked to me like he was hit in the shoulder or arm, but managed to get away.
I thought after the first viewing that he was shot dead and didn't get away, but you're right. I can see, after viewing it again, that it happened just as you said.


Regarding the question of whether the story was changed in order to accommodate closure, there seems to be some concern that a transition of focus away from Jericho to a national perspective (and the civil war to come) would not have taken place if the series had not been cancelled. I think this transition of focus was the intention all along, based on something I read in an interview with Barbee:

(VERY SLIGHT spoiler, if there can be such a thing for a cancelled series)

Warning Spoiler! Click to show
Ms. Barbee indicated (sorry, I don't have the link) that season 2 would be about saving Jericho, season 3 would be about saving the country, and season 4 would be about saving the world. So with each successive season, they always intended the focus to broaden in order to increase the stakes and, hence, the drama.


So I really think the story we saw was the story they originally intended. We just didn't have to wait six months for Texas to come save the day.

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So, what is the fascination George Mason has with radialogical devices?

That's right, I almost forgot he was nuked before in Bauer-land. ha ha

The DVD set of Season 2 will be interesting, if only to see what extras are on it. These kind of shows are almost always more fun to marathon through on DVD....like 24 for example!
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Nice ending to the series...although I'd love to see the civil war that would potentially ensue on the show.

It was one of the few shows where I really cared about the characters.

Amazingly, Fox is renewing "Prison Break" for a ludicrously unnecessary 4th season.

"Jericho" is a show I'd enjoy watching for another season or two.
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I gave up on Prison Break after season 2.

I'd continue watching Jericho for a long time. It took a while to hit its stride but the 2nd season was terrific.
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Re: Jericho Season 2 thread

Not cancellation- or finale-related per se, but found something else interesting that addresses a minor storyline question that came up earlier in this thread:

One of the producers recently said (and I quote, posted over at the IMDB boards):
"St. Louis, like New York, was targeted, but not hit (the bomb meant for St. Louis detonated near Lawrence, for reasons unknown)." ...Interesting. So there we have it, the accounting for St. Louis on all those maps and databases as a "target" city, but not one actually hit by the bombs.

Which begs the question -- what caused it to detonate at Lawrence, KS? (The bombing-deadline arriving before the terrorists could arrive in St. Louis, perhaps?)

Also, according to the same producer, Salt Lake City was indeed nuked, but a production error placed the red dot over St. George, UT on the "Black Jack" fairgrounds map. The latest Jennings & Rall map from this season corrected this, IIRC, and showed the proper intended placement.


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Regarding the question of whether the story was changed in order to accommodate closure, there seems to be some concern that a transition of focus away from Jericho to a national perspective (and the civil war to come) would not have taken place if the series had not been cancelled. I think this transition of focus was the intention all along, based on something I read in an interview with Barbee:

(VERY SLIGHT spoiler, if there can be such a thing for a cancelled series)

Warning Spoiler! Click to show
Ms. Barbee indicated (sorry, I don't have the link) that season 2 would be about saving Jericho, season 3 would be about saving the country, and season 4 would be about saving the world. So with each successive season, they always intended the focus to broaden in order to increase the stakes and, hence, the drama.


So I really think the story we saw was the story they originally intended. We just didn't have to wait six months for Texas to come save the day.
(Very) slight correction to that last bit about the season-plan for the series:

Season 2 was about saving the country, and Season 3 would've been "the world," but otherwise you're right on the mark. What we got is maybe 70 or 75% of what they'd originally planned, story arc-wise, but I'm still grateful that CBS invested in these seven installments.

Also, why was this last episode only 40 minutes long? Was there four minutes of material they had to cut to make it not a cliffhanger, or what?

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Well, now I really want to see the "civil war" and I have all my fingers and toes crossed that Sci-Fi picks up Jericho for season 3.

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Thanks, Josh. I stand corrected. So was Season 4 about saving the solar system, then? I'd go for that!

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I was thinking, would there really be a civil war if Texas released what they know about the bomb to the world. I'm pretty sure the backlash would be more than the ASA could handle, and I'm sure Mj. Beck wouldn't be the only member of the armed forces to defect.
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Sorry to bring up Prison Break. I don't watch the show. But, how many prisons can they keep escaping from??

Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.

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I haven't had time to go over to the "Jericho" message board at CBS.com, but have anyone heard if there's any progress with getting one of the cable networks to pick up "Jericho" for another season?

You guys probably already saw the Season 2 news on TVShowsOnDVD.com yesterday, but for those who haven't, here's the box art and extras, including:

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