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Not Bashing just, venting about Warners

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1/30/08 at 6:48pm
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I have been a huge fan of Warners classic releases and continue to support them already pre-ordering the Gangster collection number 3. But last year was a big let down when we were hearing about their plans to release 200 classic titles - didn't happen. Now we are about 8 weeks away from Easter 08 amd still no Quo Vadis and still no Northwest Passage. What is the dealio Warners, if you want my greenbacks you need to start coming through with the classics. Please no more remasters of "OZ" of "GWTW" of "ADV OF ROBIN HOOD" in fact why is "AN AMERICAN IN PARIS" years behind your thought of 2006 release and where are the latest Ultra Rez's!!!!!

Break upon the vaults and I will continue to support the releases!!!!
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Re: Not Bashing just, venting about Warners

If they don't release them soon, I won't buy them at all!

Seriously, why use Oz, GWTW, and Robin Hood as examples? Oz was 2005, GWTW was 2004 (and the first time WB had worked on it since the first edition was an old 1998 MGM disc), and Robin Hood has only had one DVD (in 2003) besides the identical 2006 HD-DVD (which used the same master and kept all the extras).

Tell The Weinstein Company to release Richard Williams' animated masterpiece The Thief and the Cobbler on DVD in Panavision widescreen and uncut! See and hear what you're missing from their Bitsy Award winner of Worst Standard Edition DVD of 2006 on YouTube!
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Re: Not Bashing just, venting about Warners

Well I have been collecting product in Home Video since VHS, I also made the mistake of collecting CED discs and then Laser and now SD dvd that is why I will not support HD. OZ was issued once on CED two or three times on VHS I remember the 50th Anniversry edition then the "Vide-Oh" relabel. The on Laser the 50th edition then the Ultimate OZ. Then on dvd the 1998 version then the 3 disc special edition dvd which might or might not have framing issues. Now to be fair to Warners they only have 2 editions of it too date. But I have named what at least 8 versions since 1989. Northwest Passage had been on VHS once and Laser. Same with Quo Vadis. Quo Vadis was the biggest moneymaker MGM had in the films release year and listed in the top ten MGM moneymakers well into the 1960's, It was a blockbuster and Northwest Passage was considered a breakthrough film as it had a great story and was a great action film that did not depend on color as a gimmick the story stood on its own. These two films are sitting on the shelves when we see re re re masters of other retreads. In regard to Spencer Tracy his output of great films are MIA where is Edison the Man? In fact it would be a great box of films to include Northwest Passage, Edison the Man and Plymouth Adventure. I would grab that in a heartbeat!
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Re: Not Bashing just, venting about Warners

To be fair to Warner, each new version of The Wizard of Oz has been better than the last. It isn't like they are offering up different version of the same transfer.

The other thing is that old reliable films like Oz are probably what pays the bills so that lesser films can be released.

Lastly, Warner are still the best at releasing library titles. I was somewhat disappointed that they seemed to slow down in the last third of 2007, but my guess is that they just saved up some titles for the 85th year onslaught.

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Re: Not Bashing just, venting about Warners

I just think it's ridiculous to vent at Warner of all studios about double-dips. Except for last year's Poltergeist dud, nearly every special edition they've released was justified. Not that new-to-DVD titles should take a back seat, but they still put out over 150 catalog titles in 2007, plus a lot of great special editions. From looking at their release list, 2007 was a great year for B-movies and arthouse fare, as well as lots of titles from big stars like Katharine Hepburn, James Cagney, Barbara Stanwyck, Burt Lancaster, and Errol Flynn. We also got Popeye, The Jazz Singer, and another volume of Looney Tunes.

So, about those movies being left on the shelf...

Tell The Weinstein Company to release Richard Williams' animated masterpiece The Thief and the Cobbler on DVD in Panavision widescreen and uncut! See and hear what you're missing from their Bitsy Award winner of Worst Standard Edition DVD of 2006 on YouTube!
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Re: Not Bashing just, venting about Warners

The problem is the best selling classic title can't touch the current titles in sales. This means we either don't get it or we get a no frills edition on dvd. That is bad, but, the facts are facts. Studios want lots and lots of money for what they release and that's why standards like OZ and GWTW keep getting re-issued. Simply put, they sell. However, even they don't produce the revenue that current titles do. Sadly, the market just doesn't seem big enough for them to put it out, I'm guessing. Now, I have seen more on dvd than I've seen on any other format, so, there is hope to at least get a release. Just no guarantee.

" I think it's time we go to plan B". "What's plan B?" "That's the one where we don't do something stupid".

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Re: Not Bashing just, venting about Warners

My only complaint, is that we're still waiting for OAR versions of films like Grumpy Old Men and Funny Farm that were released as p&s only. They said quite a while back that they're coming, but no sign of them.

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Re: Not Bashing just, venting about Warners

I can't imagine complaining about Warner. Look at all that's in store that we know of already: Classic Musicals, Pre-Codes, Gangsters, Bette Davis...wow!!! And I thought last year was a fabulous year for releases too! No other studio is doing so much for their classics.
Naturally, we can't ALL have our favorites released at the same time. So whether I am interested in a release or not, I am always just as thrilled for the people who have been longing for those titles the way I have for the next Classic Musicals for instance!!!

And besides I just LOVE surprises!!!
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Re: Not Bashing just, venting about Warners

[sarcasm]Yes. Just look at their release record for Q1 of this year. Warner catalog marketing is neglecting less popular titles and focusing all of their attention on sure-to-sell blockbusters like "The Ritz", "Tell Me a Riddle", and "Payday".[/sarcasm]

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Re: Not Bashing just, venting about Warners

You guys all make good points, but as I said I am not bashing just venting. Hey I invite you all over to my house to see the titles in my collection, they for years have been mainly Warner Home Video releases of classic titles. But the releases anticipated didn't match the hype last year. And remember Warners reportedly has sold more than 1 million units of the Thin Man Collection so there is green in them thar classics! I also remember Warner's thanks to George F pioneered the classic dvd release but there is no denying their classic releases did a fizzle last year from September through Christmas. They have some great little classics that we have been hearing about but are still not forthcoming. And it is sad when I can see QUO VADIS on TCM this Feb 18 in a pretty decent transfer but still cannot pop into my dvd player in a legit and wonderful transfer. C'mon let's be fair we all complain that Paramount still is holding tight to SAMSOM AND DELILAH and THE AFRICAN QUEEN but we cannot say the same about Warners with QUO VADIS, NORTHWEST PASSAGE and AN AMERICAN IN PARIS?


I again look eagerly to parting with some of my hard earned dough-ray-me to fill Warners coffers for more classics!
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...but there is no denying their classic releases did a fizzle last year from September through Christmas..
Anatomy of a fizzle:

18-Sep: Deliverance: Deluxe Edition
09-Oct: Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland Collection
16-Oct: The Jazz Singer: Three-Disc Deluxe Edition
23-Oct: Stanley Kubrick : Warner Home Video Director's Series
23-Oct: Burt Lancaster: The Signature Collection
30-Oct: Barbara Stanwyck: The Signature Collection
06-Nov: Leading Ladies Collection: Vol. 2
20-Nov: The Song Remains the Same: Two-Disc Special Edition
18-Dec: Blade Runner: Five-Disc Ultimate Collector's Edition

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Re: Not Bashing just, venting about Warners

Off course we want more!!! But there will be no bashing, venting or complaints from me regarding Warner at all. They've been far ahead of the pack and Fox is really starting to crank things out too. It's the other major studios that have really been sitting on their hands.
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Re: Not Bashing just, venting about Warners

Until they release The Hellstrom Chronicles and Captain Nemo And The Underwater City, I will curse them every day.
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Re: Not Bashing just, venting about Warners

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Anatomy of a fizzle:

18-Sep: Deliverance: Deluxe Edition
09-Oct: Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland Collection
16-Oct: The Jazz Singer: Three-Disc Deluxe Edition
23-Oct: Stanley Kubrick : Warner Home Video Director's Series
23-Oct: Burt Lancaster: The Signature Collection
30-Oct: Barbara Stanwyck: The Signature Collection
06-Nov: Leading Ladies Collection: Vol. 2
20-Nov: The Song Remains the Same: Two-Disc Special Edition
18-Dec: Blade Runner: Five-Disc Ultimate Collector's Edition

Regards,

Indeed....some fizzle. Lest we forget those collections represent about 20 films, not to mention the jaw-dropping 3rd disc of 25 or so Vitaphone shorts on THE JAZZ SINGER.


.....and for 2008, when any of the other studio (including Fox) are barely doing anything, WB has already announced dozens and dozens of great new to DVD titles.

I can't be anything but very grateful to the astute folks at WB.
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Re: Not Bashing just, venting about Warners

Okay, it is January 08 please list the dozens and dozens of titles Warners has announced that fit into the the classic category

Gangster vol 3
Musical Dream factory vol 3
Leading lady (I think)
Bette Davis vol 3
Forbidden Hollywood


That is a mind boggling 5 releases!!!!! I guess that rates as Dozens and Dozens to the eager fans wanting to get these dvd's.


And to Ken that was about 9 releases from Sept to Christmas! Before that the other great collection they released was the 4 Nancy Drew movies. If are all going crazy when I clearly said I fully support the product but we were all hyped about 200 classic releases and they fell far short. Then they all complained because their yearly revenue fell for dvd's! Why the product was not released and again maybe had they released classics like QUO VADIS, NORTHWEST PASSAGE etc revenue would have been better!
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Re: Not Bashing just, venting about Warners

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...we were all hyped about 200 classic releases and they fell far short.
What exactly does WB consider 'classics'? I would consider that to mean titles pre-1970 (not to say that there isn't classic movies from every year or that all movies from before 1970 are all anywhere near classics) but are they referring to nearly all of their catalog titles? If so, then Blade Runner or Deadly Friend or The Hand would count towards that 200 titles.
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Re: Not Bashing just, venting about Warners

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Okay, it is January 08 please list the dozens and dozens of titles Warners has announced that fit into the the classic category

Gangster vol 3
Musical Dream factory vol 3
Leading lady (I think) nope: last year
Bette Davis vol 3
Forbidden Hollywood


That is a mind boggling 5 releases!!!!! I guess that rates as Dozens and Dozens to the eager fans wanting to get these dvd's.
Leading Ladies Vol. 2 was last year during the alleged "fizzle". You neglected to mention Joan Crawford Vol. 2 or the 60s-80s directors series titles (Payday, The Ritz, Personal Best, Tell Me a Riddle, The Heart is a Lonely Hunter) they released in January. Breaking up the box sets into individual titles, this amounts to 36 catalog titles announced or released so far for 2008 assuming I have not missed any
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And to Ken that was about 9 releases from Sept to Christmas! Before that the other great collection they released was the 4 Nancy Drew movies.
Nine releases, five of which were multi-title box sets. That amounts to a rate of around 1.5 catalog titles per week. Between the Nancy Drew release in mid-June and September of 2007, they released the following:

Warner Home Video Shakespeare Collection (four titles)
Film Noir Classic Collection, Vol. 4 (ten titles)
TCM Spotlight: Esther Williams Volume 1 (five titles)
Classic Musicals from the Dream Factory Volume 2 (seven titles)
Cult Camp Classics Vol. 1-4 (twelve titles)
Lucille Ball Film Collection (five titles)
Myrna Loy and William Powell Collection (five titles)

They are releasing titles at a rate that is more than reasonable although it may not be exactly the titles you want.

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What exactly does WB consider 'classics'? I would consider that to mean titles pre-1970 (not to say that there isn't classic movies from every year or that all movies from before 1970 are all anywhere near classics) but are they referring to nearly all of their catalog titles? If so, then Blade Runner or Deadly Friend or The Hand would count towards that 200 titles.
Does anyone have the actual quote from Warner? It seems more likely that they would have said "catalog" than "classic". (or maybe "classic catalog"? I cannot remember).

I forgot about the "Twisted Terror" collection since I never received a review copy. Adjust my "fizzle" accounting above accordingly.

I believe titles like "Alexander Revisted" and "Troy Director's Cut" and the new SE of "You've Got Mail" are also handled by the (very busy) catalog folks at WB.

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Re: Not Bashing just, venting about Warners

So let me get this straight -

Warners is putting out box after box of classic movie releases, upping the output significantly in 2008 with deep catalog titles that fans have been clamoring for - and you're whining about the two movies that you just so happen to want to see released that haven't been yet? Am I missing something? What is your major malfunction?
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Okay, it is January 08 please list the dozens and dozens of titles Warners has announced that fit into the the classic category

Gangster vol 3
Musical Dream factory vol 3
Leading lady (I think)
Bette Davis vol 3
Forbidden Hollywood


That is a mind boggling 5 releases!!!!! I guess that rates as Dozens and Dozens to the eager fans wanting to get these dvd's.


And to Ken that was about 9 releases from Sept to Christmas! Before that the other great collection they released was the 4 Nancy Drew movies. If are all going crazy when I clearly said I fully support the product but we were all hyped about 200 classic releases and they fell far short. Then they all complained because their yearly revenue fell for dvd's! Why the product was not released and again maybe had they released classics like QUO VADIS, NORTHWEST PASSAGE etc revenue would have been better!
Robert,
Do you remember this exchange from last year's chat with Warner?

RobertGr: Hi All! We still do not need another heroe we need NERO How is QUO VADIS coming along, also NORTHWEST PASSAGE? And I intend on getting the the NANCY DREW collection howz about a TORCHY BLANE set? Hi Mr F I am the fan whom drove you crazy all those years ago with KINGOF KINGS on lasersidisc!


WARNER: QUO VADIS is finally on the way. It will be in Ultra-Resolution, and available in both SD and Hi Def formats. It will be in 2008, probably around Easter time. NORTHWEST PASSAGE is set for a Spencer Tracy collection, although no date is set yet. Let's see how Nancy Drew draws buyers to see if it paves the way for Torchy Blane.


Okay, Easter isn't here yet and next week something special is going to happen so maybe a little more patience is in order from you.





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Re: Not Bashing just, venting about Warners

The sad thing is the malfunction people like you have Mark because someone disagrees with you. Read my original post and you will see that I support Warners but their classic release hype did not match their releases last year. Ken okay you counted another 7 releases that that made up the 3rd quarter and the 4th quater had less releases so again that is no where near the 200 plus titles mentioned for 2007! But Ken read my post where do I throw knives at Warners? I am just saying 2007 was a disappointing year for me re: Warners purchases.
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Thank you Robert, you might be right and if Warners finally gets to blow the dust off of QUO VADIS I will be the first to pre-order the title! By the way I am a man of my word and I purchased Nancy Drew the minute is was annouced via DDD. So again the point is last year was a bit disappointing and to be honest their are many great films sitting in the vaults!
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Re: Not Bashing just, venting about Warners

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The sad thing is the malfunction people like you have Mark because someone disagrees with you. Read my original post and you will see that I support Warners but their classic release hype did not match their releases last year. Ken okay you counted another 7 releases that that made up the 3rd quarter and the 4th quater had less releases so again that is no where near the 200 plus titles mentioned for 2007! But Ken read my post where do I throw knives at Warners? I am just saying 2007 was a disappointing year for me re: Warners purchases.
Robert,
The only thing I can tell you is that Warner is trying to please the classic film lover and that's more than I can say for many of the studios. So they didn't reach the 200 film mark, stuff happens, but they still released a lot more catalog films than any other studio. Furthermore, right now, they're the only studio that takes the time to actually do a chat with us about their upcoming releases. Next week, maybe your favorite two titles are not announced, but that isn't because Warner is not trying to do a good job in pleasing people such as you, me and everybody else on this forum.
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Robert here is the quote - I believe Barrie Maxwell said it in Nov 2006 after Warners had some kind of press thing.

...I begin this column's section on new announcements with some comments that George Feltenstein, Senior Vice President of Theatrical Catalog Marketing for Warner Bros., kindly passed on to me. I've already mentioned above the hiatus in Bogart titles for 2007, but that will be more than compensated by Warners' plans to release 200 or so titles new to DVD this coming year. Although no specific titles were mentioned, classic enthusiasts can look for at least one collection and usually two each month. These will include all new-to-DVD titles except where a previously released title has been substantially upgraded in terms of master quality and supplements (such as was the case with The Maltese Falcon recently). In addition, there will be some repackagings of previously-released titles into box sets, but that will be distinct from the 200 or so new titles. There will be no sets issued that include a mixture of old and new releases. It sounds like Warner Bros. is already staking out best studio of the year status for 2007. Classic fans can only rejoice in the continued commitment!"

So what exactly did I say wrong? They clearly had other issues pop up because they did not release the product. Look at my post where did I say anything wrong, in fact I buy the product when they release it! But to me there are many other great films that could be released - How about another Gable Box with ACROSS THE WIDE MISSOURI I just say it on TCM and it is great little movie!
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Robert here is the quote - I believe Barrie Maxwell said it in Nov 2006 after Warners had some kind of press thing.

...I begin this column's section on new announcements with some comments that George Feltenstein, Senior Vice President of Theatrical Catalog Marketing for Warner Bros., kindly passed on to me. I've already mentioned above the hiatus in Bogart titles for 2007, but that will be more than compensated by Warners' plans to release 200 or so titles new to DVD this coming year. Although no specific titles were mentioned, classic enthusiasts can look for at least one collection and usually two each month. These will include all new-to-DVD titles except where a previously released title has been substantially upgraded in terms of master quality and supplements (such as was the case with The Maltese Falcon recently). In addition, there will be some repackagings of previously-released titles into box sets, but that will be distinct from the 200 or so new titles. There will be no sets issued that include a mixture of old and new releases. It sounds like Warner Bros. is already staking out best studio of the year status for 2007. Classic fans can only rejoice in the continued commitment!"

So what exactly did I say wrong? They clearly had other issues pop up because they did not release the product. Look at my post where did I say anything wrong, in fact I buy the product when they release it! But to me there are many other great films that could be released - How about another Gable Box with ACROSS THE WIDE MISSOURI I just say it on TCM and it is great little movie!
I stand by my comments and that's all I have to say on the matter. If you're not satisfied with Warner's efforts than I don't know what to tell you as I know several of us have been very pleased with their efforts.





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By the way, I'm still waiting on my John Garfield boxset and Twilight's Last Gleaming. Furthermore, we're not alone in waiting on some our favorite films to be released on dvd, I expect just about all of us share that same boat.
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Thanks Robert - I am NOT bashing just saying c'mon where are the classic titles? And the argument that they do not sell, I guess 1 million sets of THE THIN MAN are pitiful numbers! No they are clearly very impressive. And I hold George F, and Ned Price in the highest esteem! But they can open the vaults a little wider! I would even go for a John Garfield box especially if it had a good print of the film where he is a boxer on the lamb and the dead end kids are in it too!
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Thanks Robert - I am NOT bashing just saying c'mon where are the classic titles? And the argument that they do not sell, I guess 1 million sets of THE THIN MAN are pitiful numbers! No they are clearly very impressive. And I hold George F, and Ned Price in the highest esteem! But they can open the vaults a little wider! I would even go for a John Garfield box especially if it had a good print of the film where he is a boxer on the lamb and the dead end kids are in it too!

Dude, you're just wrong on this one.

If you truly "supported" Warners than you'd realize that there's an enormous give and take between just dumping everything in the vaults onto disc just to please folks like yourself and actually making money off of them. These things need to be packaged, marketed and issued so that the company can turn a profit - not an easy proposition when you're dealing, in most cases, with 50+-year-old films. These guys are clearly doing their best and yet you're sitting here whining (er - excuse me - "venting") 'cause the two movies that you want haven't yet been released (despite the flood of titles we're getting over the next four-five months, with more sure to follow).

I can't believe we're wasting all this time responding to this inanity.
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Hey dud, if you feel it is wasting time to respond why are you responding? I feel fellow posters like CineKarne, TravisR, Ken, Robert Crawford are all adding posts that are informative on what is going on behind the scenes and why things take time. That is what the forum is all about sharing thoughts, ideas, expertise and opinions here here to all the amazing people here that make this board wonderful!
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I really can't complain with Warner. Ok, some of our favorite titles remains unreleased, but come on, how many titles WB has in it catalog??? Thousands. They can't release everything at once.
Their efforts are clear and this year so far they have announced a lot of great stuff.
Ok, I agree that the last 3 months of 2007 were kind of poor in terms of releases when compared with the standard WB schedule, but something might have happened to justufy that.
They are a commercial company and so they have to get their profits. I was reallly afraid when the announces stopped for a while last year but I'm very glad whith the titles we are getting within the next months.
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