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Universal's Graffeo: HD DVD is here to stay!

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That 'Curse of the Jade Scorpion' HD DVD is going to TOTALLY shift this war in HD DVDs favor!

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Off that fantasy list I'd buy Titanic, Braveheart, Gladiator, Saving Private Ryan and A.I. I'm not holding my breath though.

BTW since when are self proclaimed Hollywood writers who hang out on the internet privy to home video release schedules?
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BTW, I realize some of those titles will throw up some yellow flags.
Almost all those titles throw up flags. We've had it confirmed that TL51 discs are not ready, at all. TL51 "twin" discs are even further behind.
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For instance, Cast Away. But, as it turns out, Dreamworks has the distribution rights for Cast Away outside of the US. So they may be referring to an import title.
So wait, is it US rights or international rights? You say it's not domestic, because of "Cast Away", but you also can't use the "import" excuse because Fox owns the rights to "Titanic" and "Braveheart" outside the US. The same goes for Warner with "The Time Machine" and "A.I".

So, it's not a domestic list and it's not an international list. You could have done a little research before passing on such an obviously fabricated bit of "news".
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Similar questions as Jesse mentions above about A Beautiful Mind. That's a Universal title in the U.S. DW perhaps has international.
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Going purple now is completely irresponsible. There is a real need to start switching to Blu now that the tide is turning.

Perpetuating this war will only kill both. Retailers know this, dealers know this. Manufacturers know this.

It's time to pick a side and it's got to be a serious commitment to Blu-ray. Universal and Paramount, if they are too stubborn and can't see the writing on the wall now, will at that point!

Sorry, but this is just silly sloganeering. I am format neutral and if there is a title I fancy on HD DVD, will certainly purchase it. To call that "irresponsible" is absurd.
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If the rumored list of Paramount titles is real, I see no reason that it can't be a mixed list of domestic and foreign releases.

Time will tell if it turns out to be accurate. But it sure would be a nice boost for HD DVD. There's nine titles on the list that I would buy in a heartbeat.

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Time will tell if it turns out to be accurate. But it sure would be a nice boost for HD DVD. There's nine titles on the list that I would buy in a heartbeat.

It would be a nice boost indeed, but still 100% rumor at this point.

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It would be a nice boost indeed, but still 100% rumor at this point.

And I have repeatedly represented it exactly as Rumor. But thanks for the reminder.

Mark

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If the rumored list of Paramount titles is real, I see no reason that it can't be a mixed list of domestic and foreign releases.


I guess actually admitting that the list is a lie (and that you fell for it) is too much...
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And I have repeatedly represented it exactly as Rumor. But thanks for the reminder.

Sure, but if you look at this thread, this "list" has been a strong argument for you (that these new titles might "arrive" and they have affect on the whole "format war")..

For me this list means very little, since we have too much rumors already going around.

So: We have cheap(er) Toshiba-players, new marketing campaign (Toshiba is great also in upscaling!), Graffeo-interview ("HD DVD is here to stay!") and list of rumored titles. Ingredients for serious comeback? Not to me. But, you never know..

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As I mentioned, reportedly from a studio writer at Paramount. Here's the full text of the message that was posted:



BTW, I realize some of those titles will throw up some yellow flags. For instance, Cast Away. But, as it turns out, Dreamworks has the distribution rights for Cast Away outside of the US. So they may be referring to an import title.

Mark
The strange thing about that list is in addition to the TL51 thing is that from what I can tell there isn't a single true Paramount film on there. All I see are Dreamworks, Lightstorm and Icon. No pure Paramount titles at all?
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I think NOT having "emotional attachment to either format" is the key to survive from this foolishness. These are just formats created for the physical distribution of HD-films. Since there are two of these formats, you have to make that choice, be "format neutral" or just forget the damn thing until we have at least that one format. Getting too "emotional" will only do more harm than good. These companies are in it for the money (in the end - there are also other reasons), any "can´t we all just get along"-sob-stories won´t stop them from switching sides or whatever.

Well said.

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The strange thing about that list is in addition to the TL51 thing is that from what I can tell there isn't a single true Paramount film on there. All I see are Dreamworks, Lightstorm and Icon. No pure Paramount titles at all?
Astute observation, Jeff. It's not so much that the director's production company was involved on Titanic and Braveheart. It's that, with the exception of POE (which is solely DW), not one of those films is a "pure play" Par movie as far as distribution is concerned: every one of them is a split rights co-production between at least two studios.

Interesting.
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It was just shared by the studio writer yesterday (Jan 22).

Mark

I'm just curious. What is a "studio writer"? Studios haven't employed writers on anything but a film by film basis since the studio system days, and more often than not said writers are employed by independent productions companies not the studio. Would this be a PR person or an executive? Because beyond that all studios employ are janitors and secretaries.

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Astute observation, Jeff. It's not so much that the director's production company was involved on Titanic and Braveheart. It's that, with the exception of POE (which is solely DW), not one of those films is a "pure play" Par movie as far as distribution is concerned: every one of them is a split rights co-production between at least two studios.

Interesting.

Well with the exception of maybe the Star Trek films, no film is going to be a purely Paramount film. Movie studios don't produce movies anymore, they rent stage space and distribute the final product. Almost every film made today is produced by an independent production company for the studio.

As I said before, studios no longer employ people like writers, cinematographers, editors, electricians, composers. They are basically just big empty spaces which the creative people rent to make their movies.

Having said that, because the studios put up the money for the films, the films more often than not are owned by said studio.

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I, and I think others, are acutely aware of the industry changes of which you speak, Doug. I still live and work in "the town."

Setting aside off-topic, pithily appealing but factually inaccurate statements such as "Movie studios don't produce movies anymore," my observation/point about distribution stands. You're (somewhat pedantically) muddying the waters with all this talk about how things in the biz have changed since the studio system heyday.

Steve Tisch and Wendy Finerman may have produced Forrest Gump, but that film was distributed exclusively by Par. Mission: Impossible III may be a C/W production, but it was distributed exclusively by Par. This is NOT the case with ANY of the films on that list. That is my sole observation/point here.

You sound like someone who has worked in the industry in some capacity before so I know you understand that this is a distinction with a difference (as the lawyers say, a major contingent of studio employee ranks besides "janitors and secretaries").
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I don't know, but if those titles are for real for Q1 and Q2, how is it that none of them are officially announced by now? One would think they'd make some pretty big noise about Titanic, Braveheart, etc. if they're really coming w/in the next few months, especially since the HDD camp could use some help w/ their PR rally. Also, I think some big Universal titles would be much more believable than those crown jewels from Paramount's catalog. And considering that Paramount doesn't feel a need to actually commit to and execute on any official announcements (as they switch sides or whatever), that's probably one less reason for them to abstain from making announcements too, if anyone wants to make that excuse.

Perhaps, somebody inside did propose the list, but for all we know, it could just be the janitor or the secretary/receptionist like Doug mentioned.

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You put too much faith in Bill Hunt. He's been wrong far too many times before and, in fact, is known to "correct" his facts 12-15 hours after initially posting them.

And his comments about Universal transfers is utter hogwash. Universal has some of the finest transfers available on HDM. If you want weak transfers, look to the early mpeg2 transfers of Blu-ray. Now there are some titles that need to remastered.

Mark

What Hunt was referring to was certain older catalog transfers that were deemed unacceptable by prospective authoring houses. I've been critical of Bill myself over the last year or so for getting a little too fanboyish for his own good, but I can tell you that his report on the Universal transfer situation was absolute fact, he just should have used the word "transfer" instead of "encode" and should have specified that the releases in question were certain catalog titles.

I third (or fourth) the sentiment of not getting emotionally attached to either format, though at this point one is a lot safer to get attached to than the other. For those of you hoping for a stalemate, let go of your emotional attachments now, or you are going to be upset later. Just enjoy both formats! HD-DVD will always have a special place in my heart, but we all knew there would be a winner and a loser, and there is stuff going on that sites like the Bits are only hinting that are going to surprise a lot of people.
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I don't know, but if those titles are for real for Q1 and Q2, how is it that none of them are officially announced by now?
Exactly.
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I, and I think others, are acutely aware of the industry changes of which you speak, Doug. I still live and work in "the town."

Setting aside off-topic, pithily appealing but factually inaccurate statements such as "Movie studios don't produce movies anymore," my observation/point about distribution stands. You're (somewhat pedantically) muddying the waters with all this talk about how things in the biz have changed since the studio system heyday.

Steve Tisch and Wendy Finerman may have produced Forrest Gump, but that film was distributed exclusively by Par. Mission: Impossible III may be a C/W production, but it was distributed exclusively by Par. This is NOT the case with ANY of the films on that list. That is my sole observation/point here.

You sound like someone who has worked in the industry in some capacity before so I know you understand that this is a distinction with a difference (as the lawyers say, a major contingent of studio employee ranks besides "janitors and secretaries").


Of course you are right about the various distribution deals and as I said the studios own the films for the most part because they finance them.

And of course there co-productions with the major studios partnering on some films such as Titanic. In that case Paramount has the U.S. theatrical rights and Fox the international. I don't think the co-production status of Titanic will have any effect on Paramount releasing the film on HD DVD or not. The only caveat being if James Cameron contractually has some say in the matter.

There are other cases where one studio is the sole financial backer of a film, but will sell distribution rights to other companies over seas.

But my point stands that in some respect every production is a co-production. The studio doesn't always have full rights to these films. In some cases sequel may belong to the production company as is the case with Lucasfilms ownership of the Star Wars and Indiana Jones films.

Ultimately my point is, its interesting that the films on the list are all co-productions, but I don't see how that effects the question of Paramount actually releasing these films or not. If they have the distribution rights they can release them if they want.

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Lucasfilm is a horse of a different color entirely. That company and its relationship to Fox and Par is unprecedented and unique.

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Ultimately my point is, its interesting that the films on the list are all co-productions, but I don't see how that effects the question of Paramount actually releasing these films or not.
And my, and I think Jeff's, point--which you have thoroughly talked past--has to do with the list itself not Par's home vid distrib of the films on it: it is curious and odd that ALL the films on this list of dubious origin have that in common.

Bastante!
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Lucasfilm is a horse of a different color entirely. That company and its relationship to Fox and Par is unprecedented and unique.


And my, and I think Jeff's, point--which you have thoroughly talked past--has to do with the list itself not Par's home vid distrib of the films on it: it is curious and odd that ALL the films on this list of dubious origin have that in common.

Bastante!

I understand the connection you are making with all the films on the list being not completely Paramount property. I just don't totally understand what you think it means?

I'm not trying to be obstinate here I'm really curious if you have some idea that there is a reason that these films in particular might be on this list, or if it gives credence to the idea that the list might be bogus.

Doug

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"That 'Curse of the Jade Scorpion' HD DVD is going to TOTALLY shift this war in HD DVDs favor!

AWESOME!!!"



As for those titles....
Braveheart (maybe),Gladiator (prob),Saving Private Ryan(must have),American Beauty(maybe),A.I.: Artificial Intelligence(maybe)
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I think this is a "corporate" issue, not a format one: has Par released any HDM with lossless aud? Not even the movie-only Top Gun (!) has it.
I stand corrected: Maverick and Goose have TrueHD.
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Spielberg titles on HD-DVD? I call horseshit.
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Spielberg titles on HD-DVD? I call horseshit.

I wouldn't, but I would be surprised if any were announced yet. That would be a last ditch effort to keep titles stocked by retail, and from what I hear most need some TLC before they are ready for HD. Universal was waiting for enough players in the market to justify a big release. Transformers (the biggest HD DVD only release) has sold less than a quarter of the number of units that Jaws did when it was first released on DVD. Universal initially wanted to be able to move 1 mil copies of a big catalog title. Right now neither format is in a position to deliver those kind of numbers.

Note: Biggest seller to date is 300: Approx 275k BD, 130 HD 405K total. That number is actually misleading as the 3rd gen Toshiba players have included a copy in the box, so an additional 85-90K people have recieved a free copy. I think it's safe to say that based on sales if it hadn't come free in the boxed that it may have moved another 15k at retail for a total of 420K, still less than half of the number of units that Universal said that they wanted to move for a big catalog title. That was why we didn't see big catalog titles released on DVD until 5-6 years into the format. I don't think we would have seen the amount of catalog from both HD sides if it weren't for the "war" as sales have been very poor for catalog as a whole on both formats.

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Off that fantasy list I'd buy Titanic, Braveheart, Gladiator, Saving Private Ryan and A.I. I'm not holding my breath though.

BTW since when are self proclaimed Hollywood writers who hang out on the internet privy to home video release schedules?

I don't believe this nonsense for a moment. I thought the writers had all been locked out/sacked by the Studios, which would make it somewhat difficult for a Studio 'writer' (if that beast even exists) to locate and send a highly confidential list to a friend at a rival Studio. Probably just some bitter 'ex' writer on the picket lines.
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I wouldn't, but I would be surprised if any were announced yet.

Considering how embarrassingly-for-Universal-and-Paramount-controlled-Dreamworks Spielberg mandated a Blu-ray-only release for CLOSE ENCOUNTERS, why does anyone think he'd relent at the 11th hour and allow his other masterpieces to be released on a format he clearly isn't fond of? Or do you think Universal is so desperate to perform CPR on HD-DVD that they would risk pissing off the man by bypassing his wishes?
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Considering how embarrassingly-for-Universal-and-Paramount-controlled-Dreamworks Spielberg mandated a Blu-ray-only release for CLOSE ENCOUNTERS, why does anyone think he'd relent at the 11th hour and allow his other masterpieces to be released on a format he clearly isn't fond of?
No one had to "mandate" a Blu-ray only-release of Close Encounters. It's a Columbia title. It was only ever going to be Blu-ray.

And I'm not sure what you mean by "Universal-and-Paramount-controlled-Dreamworks". As far as I know, Universal has zero control over Dreamworks. And Close Encounters was made long before Dreamworks even existed.

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I think Travis means "for Universal, and Paramount-controlled Dreamworks."

Having said that, I think Spielberg's purported BD preference has been drastically overstated, with the high priest of that gospel being we-all-know-who.

Neither the carve out from Par's press release last August nor Columbia's ownership of the CE3K negative translating into Steven participating in that BD's release to make it better means he is a blue partisan.

Pursuant to Adam's recent posts, I think Steven's color is as it has always been: green. He learned a major lesson from his pal George's lesson with Star Wars galvanizing VCR hardware sales that he didn't have a piece of the backend on.
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