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This promotion is the reason why we saw a huge differential in BD/HD player sales for one week (something like 85% BD vs. 15% HD in player sales for the 3rd week of January).
However, it doesn't explain the lead in December, nor the current 2:1 lead once the promotions died off.
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and the right to bare arms.


You like sleeveless T-shirts, huh?

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Better that than bear arms. Those don't grow back. What would the poor bear do?
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LOL, Joe.

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9 times out of 10 that is also in the best interests of their customers, but not always.
You think 90% of the time corporate America does what's best for its customers?!? That's as absurd as it is the topic for a whole 'nother thread. I guess these gas prices are somehow in my best interest.
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A corporation's primary fiduciary duty is to maximize profits and value for its shareholders. Customers are generally considered a necessary evil that must be tolerated in order to achieve that objective.

I should know. I run two businesses as corporations, but I can't pay the bills, nor make a profit, without those damn customers.
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LOL, Joe.


You think 90% of the time corporate America does what's best for its customers?!? That's as absurd as it is the topic for a whole 'nother thread. I guess these gas prices are somehow in my best interest.


Its not absurd at all. Normally whats good for the stock holders is also good for the customer. If the customer isn't happy, the customer will go away and thats not good for the stock holder.

These companies are in the business of making money, and most of the time the way you make money is to make the customer happy.

Star Wars made the customer happy, Heaven's Gate didn't. Star Wars took a company that was struggling and gave it the biggest profits it had ever made. Heaven's Gate caused United Artists to be sold to MGM.

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You like sleeveless T-shirts, huh?

bear arms....sorry it was late. Dyslexia slips in!

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The right to bear arms is vitally important!



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Well since Universal seems to be behind HD-DVD 100% I sure hope they start coming out with a release schedule for the rest of 2008. Didn't this same thing happen last year though, where we had to wait for release information?

Titles I would like to see in HD from Universal (2008 - 2009):
  • Jurassic Park **
  • American Graffiti
  • Jaws *
  • Back To The Future Trilogy **
  • Airport
  • Schindler's List **
  • Andromeda Strain
  • Dragnet (1987)
  • High Plains Drifter
  • Battlestar Galactica - Season 2 **
  • Battlestar Galactica - Season 3 **
  • The Jackal **
  • ET **
  • The Birds (1963)
  • To Kill A Mockingbird (1962)
  • Conan
  • K-PAK *
  • Scarface **
Now while I would like to see all HD titles offer a lossless track. I realize that not all titles are going to get them. The following titles with ** after them are titles I want to include lossless, and will not personally purchase without a lossless track. I will wait and see what happens on those titles once they are available on HDM. The titles that have * after them I would prefere to have lossless on them. And while lossless is preferable on even the classics it would be really nice just to have them in HD.

How ever I might actually have to take a stand on Jurassic Park and Back To The Future Trilogy and say no lossless no sale. Will have to see how well that holds up once they are on retail shelves?

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I'd honestly just like to see Universal release United 93 in HD - and soon.
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Its not absurd at all. Normally whats good for the stock holders is also good for the customer. If the customer isn't happy, the customer will go away and thats not good for the stock holder.

These companies are in the business of making money, and most of the time the way you make money is to make the customer happy.

Star Wars made the customer happy, Heaven's Gate didn't. Star Wars took a company that was struggling and gave it the biggest profits it had ever made. Heaven's Gate caused United Artists to be sold to MGM.

Doug

Even though people don't like to hear that, I tend to agree (though I don't know if I'd say 90% ). Sometimes, people do forget that what's ultimately *best* for us (in the long run) may not necessarily be what we *think* is best for us at the moment.

In general, there's a balancing act going on to make (almost) everyone reasonably satisfied/happy so that the whole system (and the people in it) can prosper. This applies to very many things, not just the movie/home video industry/market.

For instance, if decisions were completely left upto the average person, we might get everything for free (or extremely cheap) for a short while, but then, how will that sustain itself in the long run? There's really "no free lunch" afterall -- and that goes for everyone, including the average person *and* the big corporate entities.

Of course, the finer points of how that balancing act should play out are often very debatable, and that's partly why we have these heated discussions about the format war, pricing, etc. and what highly paid execs should do...

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That's why we should just let Steve Jobs decide! =)

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But if we let Steve Jobs decide, we'll all wind up with Apple TV sh#tboxes and subpar downloads passing for "HD". Of course, J6P won't know the difference.

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For those who have said the stores may make Toshibas decision for them and start pulling HDDVD discs....

I was in a Circuit City near work today, in Poughkeepsie NY picking up The Assassination of Jesse James and noticed a bare HDDVD section.


The guy who works there said theyve started pulling them off the shelves.
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Kind of surprised they don't want to at least move them and get something for them. Anyone got any info if that is a CC national policy?
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Yea I looked to see if they were priced down and they werent. Seems they just pulled them off the shelves. I was in there last week and the rack was full.
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Yea I looked to see if they were priced down and they werent. Seems they just pulled them off the shelves. I was in there last week and the rack was full.

Let me preface this by saying that I have absolutely nothing to back this up other than a feeling, but it seems to me that HD DVD, and BD for that matter, overstock goes to the online vendors to be clearanced. Whatever arrangement the B&M and studios have seems to make more sense for the discs to be sent back. It is probably a matter of B&M shelf space, in that it costs less for the studios to have their HD DVD and BD overstock sit in Amazon's warehouse than it does to sit on Circuit City's shelves.
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Let me preface this by saying that I have absolutely nothing to back this up other than a feeling, but it seems to me that HD DVD, and BD for that matter, overstock goes to the online vendors to be clearanced. Whatever arrangement the B&M and studios have seems to make more sense for the discs to be sent back. It is probably a matter of B&M shelf space, in that it costs less for the studios to have their HD DVD and BD overstock sit in Amazon's warehouse than it does to sit on Circuit City's shelves.

Overstock/older catalog titles get sent back to the Distributor/Studios. I wouldn't be surprised if they get sold at a discount to online sites as part of some promos, but I don't think that Amazon stores them. That would explain why some titles disapear form a BOGO on the first day only to reappear a few days later--Amazon sold out of their initial stock and got a reorder in.

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When I was at Ultimate Electronics asking about HD, I jokingly said "You guys still sell these?", and he replied "no, we just display these."
He then told me their store hasn't sold an HD-DVD player for months.
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So has there been any news when we will see new release information for the rest of the year regarding Universal HD releases ???

It just seems that we should have heard something by now?

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When I was at Ultimate Electronics asking about HD, I jokingly said "You guys still sell these?", and he replied "no, we just display these."
He then told me their store hasn't sold an HD-DVD player for months.

Hmmm, at first I thought you said VALUE electronics. I wonder how THEIR sales of HD DVD are currenly. THAT would be interesting info.

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So has there been any news when we will see new release information for the rest of the year regarding Universal HD releases ???

It just seems that we should have heard something by now?

They recently pre-announced Charlie Wilson's War, but nothing apart from that that I'm aware of.
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When I was at Ultimate Electronics asking about HD, I jokingly said "You guys still sell these?", and he replied "no, we just display these."
He then told me their store hasn't sold an HD-DVD player for months.

Wow, not one HD DVD player all through the Christmas buying season? Store must be doing great.
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Item model number: HD-A3

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #17 in Electronics (See Bestsellers in Electronics)
#1 in Electronics > DVD Players & Recorders > DVD Players
#1 in Electronics > DVD Players & Recorders > HD DVD Players

The A3 is ranked #1 at Amazon in the DVD player categoriy, so someone somewhere is still buying them.

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When I was at Ultimate Electronics asking about HD
You mean people actually still shop at Ultimate Electronics???

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You mean people actually still shop at Ultimate Electronics???

Actually I would hope that Ultimate Electronics business picks up as I would hate to have to deal with businesses like Best Buy and Fry's Electronics. I prefer to buy from a store vs internet because IMHO it is easier to deal with warranty issues. While it is nice to save money online by the time you pay for shipping you really do not save much, in most cases. Then you have to worry about a online retailer not actually being a autorized dealer, that can come back to bite you.

Hey ppltd, I know you where joking.

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I would wonder how hard Ultimate Electronics is pushing these. As has been mentioned the profit margin is higher on blu-ray. There are ways that retailers can push people away from purchasing products they don't want people to purchase. For example, tucking a product in the corner of the store, effectively hiding it.

As for CC, a representative said recently that CC had no plans to drop hd-dvd. He also said over the last week, Hd-dvd had experienced strong sales.
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Did the CC rep tell you how well Blu-ray was doing in comparison during the same time period? "Strong sales" is meaningless without a basis for comparison.
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Apparently CC is satisfied with the sales figures and the key is they are not dropping hd-dvd. That was the intimation that was being floated on this forum. Apparently bluray supporters are very quick to float anti-hddvd rumors.

The trouble with bluray sales figures is that CC is participating in the bluray giveaway. Their numbers undoubtably reflect that. Apparently the NDP group cannot distinguish between players given away or are sold. I'm not sure whether that is a NDP Group issue only or whether that extends to retailers as well.
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Free players (for BD), steeply discounted players (for HDD), etc., while they do not directly provide much, if any, revenues for the companies, they still represent signficant units that help market penetration (as long as they don't end up in the returned piles at stores/dealers) considering the size of the market so far. And while you may doubt whether all of those free players will result in lots of HDM software sales, it's silly to try to suggest the figures are meaningless just because players are free. If I got a free player w/ a TV purchase a couple months ago (before I bought anything), you can bet I'd give a few titles a test spin and then end up buying more -- and that would be true whether it was BD or HDD.

Some folks like to complain that Sony's using the PS3 as a Trojan Horse (and will suggest so in either direction depending on what they loathe about it) -- and obviously believe it works to some extent. Where are all the complaints that the BDA are using TVs as a Trojan Horse for BD? And I do believe it's a fairly effective way to gain market penetration (and no less/worse than Toshiba's loss leader pricing) too.

It's silly to constantly complain that companies are giving away free players w/ the sales of $$$ HDTVs while being perfectly ok w/ one company going w/ cut-throat pricing of players.

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