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*** Official CLOVERFIELD Discussion Thread

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Any gripes about a 7 year old seeing this movie?

The film, while intense and LOUD (although that might not be a concern now because they've no doubt moved it to the cheapo theater by now), has very little in the way of blood (there is some but it's quick) and harsh language.

But the creature itself might scare kids that age, it's large mean and ugly lookin'.
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I would say no. Whatever few seconds of gore there is are pretty standard. I am sure there was some choice language (eh, you would be cursing too if some creature was smashing entire buildings left and right around you) even though I can't recall any instance of "fuck" or any variation thereof. No sex.

The problem is that the whole thing is too damn real for a child that age. I was filled with a feeling of dread in many parts of the film, and I wouldn't want to put my soon to be 7 y/o thru those same feelings, which are likely to be even more intense for her, and leave a deeper impression.

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Any gripes about a 7 year old seeing this movie?


When you use the word "gripes" in question, one gets the sense that you already have your mind made up versus just asking the question 'what do you think about ...'

Hopefully, I'm wrong. My questions to you are ... why would you think about taking a seven year old to Cloverfield? What gives you a sense that that would be a good idea?
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It certaintly isn't a cute and cuddly monster movie like, say Gremlins, that's for sure.
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no, not for 7 year old.

i would sat at least ten, plus depends on the kid.
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Obviously, it'll depend on the kid but I think a couple of things might be scary to them but not that many. More than anything, I think a kid may have more problems with motion sickness than the monster.
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When you use the word "gripes" in question, one gets the sense that you already have your mind made up versus just asking the question 'what do you think about ...'

Hopefully, I'm wrong. My questions to you are ... why would you think about taking a seven year old to Cloverfield? What gives you a sense that that would be a good idea?

Gripes was probably a wrong word to use, I've already decided not to take him simply because of the rating. My son came home and said dad, can we see Cloverfield and my jaw dropped when he asked since I have not seen it yet. Almost got the best of me that's why I asked the question.

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DVD is probably a better venue for your son to see the film, it won't be as large and in-your-face that way.
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A lot of kids today are watching HALLOWEEN and various other strong R-rated films so he might be able to handle this. If you've shown his Spielberg's JP films then this shouldn't be much different.
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Gripes was probably a wrong word to use, I've already decided not to take him simply because of the rating. My son came home and said dad, can we see Cloverfield and my jaw dropped when he asked since I have not seen it yet. Almost got the best of me that's why I asked the question.

Ah, that explains it.
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A lot of kids today are watching HALLOWEEN and various other strong R-rated films so he might be able to handle this.
Exactly what are we calling "a lot of kids"

"My kids..." ?

"My family/friend's kids..." ?

"The kids I work with..." ?

"American kids..." ?

"All the kids in the world..." ?

"A lot of kids today..." ?

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see it yourself first theen decide if he should see it.
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If you've shown his Spielberg's JP films then this shouldn't be much different.
I think that's a pretty good analogy.
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Exactly what are we calling "a lot of kids"

"My kids..." ?

"My family/friend's kids..." ?

"The kids I work with..." ?

"American kids..." ?

"All the kids in the world..." ?

"A lot of kids today..." ?

?

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I counted at least 11 kids (under 12 at least) when I watched HALLOWEEN.
At least four kids under the age of 10 when I watched THE HILLS HAVE EYES 2
At least 3 under 6 when I watched GRINDHOUSE.
Three under 12 when I watched AMERICAN GANGSTER.
At least 5 when I watched THE SHINING last year.

I don't mean to take this off topic but if theater owners lived by the ratings code and didn't let people under 17 (without a parent) into R-rated films then we wouldn't have all these big horror hits.
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A lot of kids today are watching HALLOWEEN and various other strong R-rated films so he might be able to handle this. If you've shown his Spielberg's JP films then this shouldn't be much different.

I'd agree. It may depend on the child in question, though. I would never recommend taking any 7-year-old to see RAMBO, HOSTEL, or one of the SAW films.... but this is basically a monster movie, kind of like when we'd go and see a Godzilla film when we were 7 . CLOVERFIELD is more intense and realistically destructive, but I'm guessing that if you take into account that kids today have been subjected to so much more than we were at their age, this may be something they can handle.

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I counted at least 11 kids (under 12 at least) when I watched HALLOWEEN.
At least four kids under the age of 10 when I watched THE HILLS HAVE EYES 2
At least 3 under 6 when I watched GRINDHOUSE.
Three under 12 when I watched AMERICAN GANGSTER.
At least 5 when I watched THE SHINING last year.

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I saw Halloween for the first time when I was 8, screwed me up for a month or two but i'm okay now.
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I'm not taking my eight year old son. I might let him watch it on DVD, but I think it's too intense for him to see in a theater.

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Originally Posted by Michael Elliott
I counted at least 11 kids (under 12 at least) when I watched HALLOWEEN.
At least four kids under the age of 10 when I watched THE HILLS HAVE EYES 2
At least 3 under 6 when I watched GRINDHOUSE.
Three under 12 when I watched AMERICAN GANGSTER.
At least 5 when I watched THE SHINING last year.

I don't mean to take this off topic but if theater owners lived by the ratings code and didn't let people under 17 (without a parent) into R-rated films then we wouldn't have all these big horror hits.

Michael,

You counted at least 11 kids under 12 when you saw Halloween? Not 10 but 11? Or was it at least 12 under 11?

All:

My own viewpoint is that one has a lifetime to be an adult and a short time to be a child. Use your own best judgment.
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A lot of kids today are watching HALLOWEEN and various other strong R-rated films so he might be able to handle this. If you've shown his Spielberg's JP films then this shouldn't be much different.
I disagree. The JP films were presented as movies, as fiction. They are traditional movies with an omniscient point-of-view. Cloverfield is presented as "found footage" with a limited point-of-view, and a child may be more likely to accept it as reality.

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Ohhh, I remember quite well because I spend the previews bitching and moaning like a 12-year-old girl when I see kids enter a theater. I'm a major ass when I go to the theater because I don't want kids, talking, cell phones or any of that stuff.

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I disagree. The JP films were presented as movies, as fiction. They are traditional movies with an omniscient point-of-view. Cloverfield is presented as "found footage" with a limited point-of-view, and a child may be more likely to accept it as reality.

It all depends on his son. I could watch F13 when I was 7 but it would make my friends cry. If his son can handle it then I'd say take him. If not, then wait for DVD where you can pause the film and take breaks from it. JP is a kids movie to me but the sequel was a full blown horror movie. I still remember seeing it opening night and seeing all the kids running out of the theater in fear.
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"Cloverfield is presented as "found footage" with a limited point-of-view, and a child may be more likely to accept it as reality."

When I was a little kid I saw the original Night Of The Living Dead on late night TV, and I remember the news broadcasts really freaked me out.
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Hence my qualifying the film as "too real". Unlike any of the JP (and other monster flicks), this film was intended to be experienced as first person / raw footage, and it was very effectively done. A 7 y/o will know that it's not real, but his empathy toward the characters will very much BE real, enhanced by the unusual presentation. More, there is nothing remotely cheerful about this flick. There is no feeling of awe at the sight of fantastic creatures like in JP. There is just terror. And I wouldn't even begin to know how to have them deal with that ending.

I just can't imagine a 7 y/o having *fun* with this thing. And if not there where is the value?

I am with Johnny, the comparison with any of the JP flicks is way off base.

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There's another aspect that I was thinking about while watching the film a second time, I was considering the whole situation from the perspective of the creature, was it malicious by choice or did it find it's way to NY and was unaware that it was hurting us, like it was so big that all it was trying to do was find a way out and was unintentionally causing damage.

Maybe it wasn't evil at all, just big and scared and was only doing what it was doing to defend itself from us, it was attacking what was attacking it. You know a film has done it's job when you start feeling for the creature and causes the viewer to think of things like that.

In the DVD special features, they basically say that this is the case. The monster is really just a "baby" and isn't intentionally trying to maim/kill/destroy. It's just frightened and, presumably, in pain from the attacks by the military. They say that the creature's roars are not meant to be menacing, but are likely calls for it's mother or for "help" from being attacked.

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I only skimmed this thread but I didn't see anyone that said this film kinda blew. So I'm saying it.

It looked cool (when the camera didn't make you sick) and it was an original concept, I'll admit, the POV filming of a tragedy. But most of the characters were completely retarded. Maybe Hud would have followed Robert, who was on a ridiculous mission in the first place, but the South Asian woman seemed intelligent enough and had no real reason to follow them, and Malena (or whatever her name was) had less than no reason to follow them. Not even a total moron like Hud would film some of the things he did and much of his humor was formulaic, the type of thing one would say in an audience when watching from an objective viewpoint (and thus seemingly appropriate and identifiable for the actual audience - but cheap).

Thems my opinions, as I stand against a rushing river of joy about this movie!

+1 : retarded characters, ridiculous quest, moronic Hud.

It also seemed rather ludicrous that given the entire island of Manhattan, the group seemed to keep crossing paths with the creature. But I guess when you make a monster movie that isn't about the monster, you still need to figure out ways to show the monster occasionally so you can cut away again and remind people that this movie isn't really about a monster.

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So that would mean that Hud kept starting and stopping the camera during the entire ordeal, only capturing 84 minutes worth? But what about after the helicopter crashed and we cut to that lingering still shot? At least a couple of hours had to have past so the footage was either edited or Hud came to and turned it back on.

If it wasn't edited we would have stared at the same thing for that couple of hours until Hud picked it up and pulled Rob and Beth from the wreckage.
Good point.

I watched the final Coney Island scene several times and also didn't see any splash.

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The splash is clearly visible in one of the alternate endings - I didn't go back to the film to see if it was there. Look at the 2nd alt end and watch the ship out in the ocean to the right of the screen...the ending was predictable and boring, other than that I liked it.

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It also seemed rather ludicrous that given the entire island of Manhattan, the group seemed to keep crossing paths with the creature. But I guess when you make a monster movie that isn't about the monster, you still need to figure out ways to show the monster occasionally so you can cut away again and remind people that this movie isn't really about a monster.

why is it ludicrous?
the movie was about people who were near the monster.

why make a movie with a monster and have it be about people who aren't anywhere near it?
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I watched the final Coney Island scene several times and also didn't see any splash.

In the latest Cinefex magazine there is an section on the effects of Cloverfield. In it the VFX supervisor states that they did add the splash at the last minute as a little "easter egg" for those who are paying attention (it's in the upper right of the frame). You could also see it on one of the endings that was posted on the net a little while back.
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Malcolm, the splash occurs at 1:13:15 on the DVD, it happens right on the oceans horizon line and off to the right, you'll see the tracer of something falling and then the splash.

I must have watched the DVD 3 times since getting it on Tuesday lol, the LFE actually made a picture fall off the wall lol. Still, I wish the higher frequencies were translated to DVD more faithfully, the creature screaming just doesn't have that blood curdling dynamic range in all channels like it had at the theater, i'm hoping that Blu Ray will rectify that.
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The splash is clearly visible in one of the alternate endings - I didn't go back to the film to see if it was there. Look at the 2nd alt end and watch the ship out in the ocean to the right of the screen...the ending was predictable and boring, other than that I liked it.
It took two tries at the ending on the DVD for me to finally see the streak and splash in the ocean. I never caught it the theater, even the 2nd time when I was looking for it.

I have to disagree about the ending. I'd classify this movie as a tragedy and the ending was poignant. The final scene, with Beth saying "I had a good day" was very moving.

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i didn't think the end was predictable or boring.


how should it have ended.

anyhow, i picked up the steel case at fye.

i'm not sure they know how much to sell it for.

sticker says "our price" $27.99 sale sticker $24.99 actually selling price
27.99 - sci-fi 20% off = 22.39.
also a $5 mail in rebate.
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There's a really good article on the creature in the new issue of Fangoria magazine, apparently the creature is indeed supposed to be white despite most people thinking it's grey or light brown, indeed the new Cloverfield toy coming out correctly depicts it as white.

It made me appreciate the film even more than I already did reading how much of a labor of love it was for Phil Tippett and his team to create and execute.
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