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hi all...
I am looking for the ultimate quality recording of Tchaikovsky's 1812....
(specific CD please)

anyone know of one they consider the best ?

Thanks
Brian
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apparently Telarc will (someday?) have a 6-channel discrete surround sound and 2-channel stereo SACD version of their original Digital recording...but don't know when ?


so in the mean time, I am looking for other suggestions ;-)
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Brian, are you not happy with Telarc's 1979 Kunzel/Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra recording, re-released on 50k master SACD (and not to be confused with the Kunzel/Cincinnati Pops Orchestra "new" 1812, released in 2001 on both SACD and DVD-A [Telarc's only DVD-A release])?
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I haven't been here in a month or so, so I apologize for bumping an older thread, but I wanted to weigh in on the best version of the 1812 Overture. If you're looking for the definitive version, it is Antal Dorati's recording with the Minneapolis Symphony Orchestra and the University of Minnesota Brass Band. This is the "classic" recording with the church bells and the French canons at the end. I can't recommend it enough, especially in the new edition that Decca put out last year. I'll post the cover just to make it easier for you.

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Just sold my CD of the Telarc 1979 perf with an eye on buying the SACD of same.

Chris, what is that Deems Taylor commentary? Is just a few minutes at the end of the performance or . . .?
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I have several recordings, including the 1979 Telarc, and I don't think there is what I would call a "Definitive" edition. One version I am particularly fond of has a male chorus during the intro.


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Originally Posted by Chris Cheese
I haven't been here in a month or so, so I apologize for bumping an older thread, but I wanted to weigh in on the best version of the 1812 Overture. If you're looking for the definitive version, it is Antal Dorati's recording with the Minneapolis Symphony Orchestra and the University of Minnesota Brass Band. This is the "classic" recording with the church bells and the French canons at the end. I can't recommend it enough, especially in the new edition that Decca put out last year. I'll post the cover just to make it easier for you.


Which do you think sounds better? The 1995 disk or the 2007 remaster?
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That's my favorite too. I didn't realize there was a reissue though!

The Deems Taylor commentary, which runs 9.5 minutes, is pretty cool, actually (been a while since I listened to it). Plus there are 13 pages of liner notes (at least in the '95 edition)!

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The Telarc disc is one of the most famous classical recordings ever, and is still a fun disc to demo speakers with (just not my speakers, though, as you can blow out your woofers). The cannons go down to 6Hz!

I'd love to hear an SACD version.
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This is the "classic" recording with the church bells and the French canons at the end.

I didn't know there were any French priests on the recording, but the French cannon sounded pretty good.

Sorry to sound pedantic, but what do you mean by the 'ultimate' recording? Both the Telarc and Dorati recordings are good sonically, but musically IMHO they are far from the best. For my money, the best musical interpretation is by Andre Previn conducting the London Symphony Orchestra (I think on the HMV label, released in the 1970s). But sonically, it isn't the most impressive.
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Shouldn't they all sound about the same, not considering things like cannons?
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Shouldn't they all sound about the same, not considering things like cannons?
I'm assuming you're relatively new to classical music with this answer. On the face of it, I agree that classical music should be the same no matter who plays it, because you know the instruments needed, and the composer has set out the notes and how they should be played. So how can differences arise?

There are two key factors. First, the quality of the players in the orchestra. With relatively easy pieces, this is not such a big issue, but get to the harder pieces for orchestra and the difference really shows. A good case in point is Glinka's Ruslan and Ludmilla Overture. In the hands of an average orchestra this can sound good, but nothing more than a lightweight program filler. But in a great orchestra's hands, the piece is transformed into an exciting swaggering display of bravado (for anyone interested, there is a superb version by the Russian National Orchestra cond. Pletnev).

The second factor is the conductor - he (or she) is responsible not only for keeping time but for interpreting the music. Although the notes are there in the score, the exact tempo down to the beats per minute is rarely stated, so there is room for manouvre, and the relative balance of the different instruments in the orchestra can be manipulated. Plus, there's the issue of rubato (basically, minute slowing down and speeding up that makes the music seem organic rather than music box-like). Given these considerations, pieces can sound radically different. A case in point - Elgar's Enigma Variations (if you haven't heard this piece, then you must; it's full of good tunes). The most famous section is called the Nimrod variation, and chances are that you've heard it even if you don't recognise the name. It's slow, gradually builds to a crescendo, and is a real lump in the throat piece. Leonard Bernstein did an infamous version in which he took over double the normal time to play it and in the process either (a) discovered a whole new meaning in the music or (b) wrecked it, depending upon your viewpoint.

Returning to the 1812, conductors are often clearly embarrassed at having to play it. It's in many respects a hackneyed piece of music. Players often feel the same way. So in a recording studio, the atmosphere is all too often 'let's get this over with', and the music is trotted out half-heartedly. Once in a while, the conductor is prepared to look beyond the surface and treat the 1812 seriously, and you get that added passion that it needs, particularly in the final section, which is not just for the cannon, but has to have a certain swagger and elan for it to work. Typically, this section gets played too slowly so that all the cannon shots can be heard separately, but ideally, it should be played a bit faster than on some of the audiophile recordings. If you can track down the Previn version, you'll see what I mean. In comparison, a lot of other versions plod.
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Leonard Bernstein did an infamous version in which he took over double the normal time to play it and in the process either (a) discovered a whole new meaning in the music or (b) wrecked it, depending upon your viewpoint.
The pianist Glenn Gould was (in)famous for radically changing the tempo of piano pieces. Leopold Stowkowski also "customized" pieces to his liking quite a bit.
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Leopold Stowkowski also "customized" pieces to his liking quite a bit.
Mahler did it as well. Having said that, during his own lifetime Mahler was far more famous as a conductor than as a composer and those who heard Mahler (just about the last great musician or performer who was active before recorded sound) conduct say that he was incontestably the greatest of conductors - and bear in mind these comments come from people who had also heard Toscanini, Walter, Karajan, Klemperer et al. Personally I think you should play what's there, not what you'd like to be there, but each to their own, I guess.
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Shouldn't they all sound about the same, not considering things like cannons?

To add to Andrew's comments regarding conductor and orchestra, audio quality also varies depending on the record label and engineers. Some labels such as Telarc prefer a mix that uses minimal microphones (I believe they use three equidistantly-spaced mics above the orchestra), whereas labels such as Decca/London often have mics on each instrument to spotlight them as desired. The result is a very different sonic experience, though both can be excellent in their own way.

One other factor is the actual makeup of the orchestra. Some CDs feature "period" orchestras, which means that only the instruments used during the composer's lifetime (and specifically used in the score) are utilized. I tend to avoid these recordings, as I prefer the fuller sound of the modern orchestra, even though it may not be as authentic a representation of how the music may have actually sounded 200 years ago.
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