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Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release
1. There's not even a dozen narrow HD-DVD's....Casablanca, Adventures Of Robin Hood, the 2 Bob Hope HD-DVD's, and Trek. That's all that I know of.
2. Warner has certainly released Combi discs. The first one I remember buying was Kiss Kiss Bang Bang back in the early days. They released several others along the way. Here at the rear end of the format, all their releases are Combis.
The central premise of my case is that the mass market wants playback versitility and values that over other features. If you don't give that creedence, well you don't. That must be where you're spinning...? I might add that Tartan Video in the U.K. has released some BD's that came with DVD's of the film included. Somebody else besides me thinks consumers want playback versitility.
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Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release
I don't think anyone could really argue that versatility isn't a virtue, but I don't think it's a major concern for most, nor was it the purpose of HD-DVD combos. They were conceptualized as a trojan horse, so that SD watchers could build up an HD library while they bought their SD titles, and then one day say "Damn, I'd better get an HD-DVD player." In theory it was smart, but the way they implemented it was laughable.
Again, I don't think portability is bad, but combo discs that come with $5 and $10 premiums aren't doing anyone any favors. And for Trek, I guarantee you'll see better sales on both sides with separate HD and SD releases as consumers will no longer have to pay the worthless premiums to their respective content.
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It's my understanding that Sony has, on paper, single-sided Blu hybids that can contain either CD or DVD content. I would think that the same marketing research that led Paramount to issue their first Combis, Star Trek, would cause them to wish for a Blu hybrid. I think I have a better than 50-50 chance in predicting they'll offer the reformulated Trek on DVD before Blu. I hope I'm wrong though.
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1. There's not even a dozen narrow HD-DVD's....Casablanca, Adventures Of Robin Hood, the 2 Bob Hope HD-DVD's, and Trek. That's all that I know of.
2. Warner has certainly released Combi discs. The first one I remember buying was Kiss Kiss Bang Bang back in the early days. They released several others along the way. Here at the rear end of the format, all their releases are Combis.
The central premise of my case is that the mass market wants playback versitility and values that over other features. If you don't give that creedence, well you don't. That must be where you're spinning...? I might add that Tartan Video in the U.K. has released some BD's that came with DVD's of the film included. Somebody else besides me thinks consumers want playback versitility.
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Superman Returns was also a combo disc. I believe there were a few others but I can't think of them off the top of my head.
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I don't think anyone could really argue that versatility isn't a virtue, but I don't think it's a major concern for most, nor was it the purpose of HD-DVD combos. They were conceptualized as a trojan horse, so that SD watchers could build up an HD library while they bought their SD titles, and then one day say "Damn, I'd better get an HD-DVD player." In theory it was smart, but the way they implemented it was laughable.
Again, I don't think portability is bad, but combo discs that come with $5 and $10 premiums aren't doing anyone any favors. And for Trek, I guarantee you'll see better sales on both sides with separate HD and SD releases as consumers will no longer have to pay the worthless premiums to their respective content.
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I have to disagree. Before when I bought a combo disc it only cost me an extra $5. Now when I buy a movie I have to buy it twice, once on blu-ray for $20 to $25 and once on SD-DVD for around $20. It costs me twice as much.
And its not worthless at all. A combo means that I can watch that movie anywhere that I go. If its a blu-ray I can watch it in my home theater and thats all. I can't watch it in the bedroom because there is only SD there. I can't watch it while waiting at the airport because my portable player is SD only...etc.
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I dont want Blu-ray combo discs. I loath 2 sided discs. I understand your point Rachael. But, i like a place to put my fingers when i set a disc. I like to be able to read what side is what. I dont want layer problems, like DVD-18s have. If Paramount will put Trek on LD, and they did. Then they will put it out on Blu. I bet sooner, and not later.
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Have you ever REALLY had a problem with a DVD-18? I've got hundreds of them and have never had a single problem.
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Yep, the last one was Adam-12. Its the only one i can remember off hand, cause it craped out not even 6 months ago. You could see the disc was turning a purple color at the outer edge. It played fine when i bought it, and didnt have any funky color.
someone posted this week that a disc of the original Battlestar Galactica had fizzled out as well for them. Mine is fine.
I bet money you have more than one of your hundreds...im talkin DVD-18s, not 14s, has rotted off the hoof and you wont know it until your enjoying it. right before it pixalates to an abrupt stop.
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Possible, but most of my 18s are TV shows and I watch them fairly regularly and haven't run across a problem with any of them yet.
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Not to go too far off topic but I basically share that thought and I think alot- but NOT all- of it just 'The sky is falling' worrying. I've had a problem (and seen many reports of problems) with the first seasons of Dragnet and Alfred Hitchcock Presents so you might want to check those two out if you got them.
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I don't have Hitchcock, but I do have Dragnet 1967 (and several over Universal shows on DVD 18s) and watch them quite frequently. (huge Dragnet fan) So far so good. I do realize that there have been some problem releases, but I think those are more batch problems than a wider issue with DVD 18 as a whole.
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Have you ever REALLY had a problem with a DVD-18?
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At least I have. Disc is loose on the case and that´s all you need basically.. Of course, Blu-ray now has a much better protection (layer) vs. SD DVD/HD DVD.
But this is so cool. We have "BD doomsday" going on in several threads, "Fox pricing" in some, and now the old "combo-debate" is back also (even when Blu-ray doesn´t have combo-discs!).. I love it.
(seriously, no wonder why the "SD DVD-forum" is more popular.. Let´s face it, it´s this "debate"-aspect that keeps the HD-forums going.. Sadly..)
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At least I have. Disc is loose on the case and that´s all you need basically.. Of course, Blu-ray now has a much better protection (layer) vs. SD DVD/HD DVD.
But this is so cool. We have "BD doomsday" going on in several threads, "Fox pricing" in some, and now the old "combo-debate" is back also (even when Blu-ray doesn´t have combo-discs!).. I love it.
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Probably has more to do with the fact that there isn't all that much new to talk about with blu-ray at the moment. What would you prefer to talk about?
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Is that a trick question, Doug?
By all means, if you want to debate about the "combo-releases", be my guest. I ain´t stopping you. But wake me up when you have some "real news" about ST S2 in Blu-ray..
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Is that a trick question, Doug?
By all means, if you want to debate about the "combo-releases", be my guest. I ain´t stopping you. But wake me up when you have some "real news" about ST S2 in Blu-ray..
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Not a trick question at all. If you have something more interesting to talk about, please lead the way.
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Rachel, I had not known that some European BD releases include an SD disc, that's a great idea which I'd think would not add much cost and hopefully is not costing the consumer a premium.
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I don't know how big a distributor Tartan Video is....I never googled them. I saw a story last year where they put out 3 BD's that came with the DVD also. I do recall that I would of liked to have had one of them but the BD's were locked to wee-jun Bee. As best I recall, it was costing consumers a premium. It seems like the sets were about 10 Pounds Sterling more than most BD's.
I don't believe cost for Tartan or anybody else are much of a factor. It's my contention that prices for 5" discs are arbitrary. I've heard insiders over on AVS say repeatedly that the biggies don't want 2 format sets because the consumer could resell one or the other. I think it's safe to say that the biggies want to flip folks off DVD to the format that's so far hard to record....of course, the insiders never talk on that point....it's between the lines.
So, I think this is an idea that will not happen for us unless Blu debuts a hybrid. I also think Trek will be on BD eventually. Even if Blu stays a minority format in Estados Unidos, along the lines of Laserdisc, it will do much better in Japan.....which also loves Trek. I'll wait for BD's and not spring for any DVD only release. I'm not short on Trek to watch. Between LD, DVD, and HD-DVD, I have all the episodes of TOS, TNG, DS9, and Enterprise. I can well afford to be patient.
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If this ends up with a price point equivilent to other CBS shows of the era like Mission:Impossible I still may have to bite just finally see the material again. But I won't be enthusiastic again until there's a bd release. Which may be a while.
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I think its unlikely that it will be priced around $34 like Mission Impossible. Star Trek is a premium product and CBS knows it. I suspect it will be around $80 to $100 if not more for the SD season 2.
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This will be a tough choice for many fans. I´m very eager to see the "S2" (haven´t really seen it before and fell in love with the series via that HD DVD-set..), but buying the SD DVD-set is not an real option (and if the retail price is $99.99 - roughly $70 in the online-stores? Something like that?)... Hard to go "back" to 480p after 1080p (meaning ST and "S1" vs "S2").. And I´m not kidding.
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I won't be buying the SD season 2 set, but I might rent it. I'll wait for the blu-ray.
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