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Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

Related link (found from the AVSforum):

http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2...tes-unplugged/

"Q=Warner Brothers said last week it was backing Blu-ray exclusively. Will Microsoft remain committed to the HD DVD format even if it appears that the media companies are backing Blu-ray?
A=Certainly we supported both Blu-ray and HD DVD as Windows peripherals. The last announcement was Paramount opting for HD DVD and now this one is going the other way. I still think a format battle is going on there. Our contribution is the HDi Interactive format piece has been really well received. We hope to see that used broadly. ****I think the real competitor in the long run is digital (video) download****. Just like in music, it is going to be the biggest of the three.

Q=You kind of sound agnostic about the formats.
A=No, not really. We have definitely worked with HD DVD in a very strong fashion. Our codecs and HDi are available on the other format and we are a leader in digital download so we have some involvement in all three approaches. ****In the long run, people don’t want physical media****. You don’t say to yourself, what’s the format battle after CD. If someone tried to introduce a new music format, you’d laugh and say ‘well isn’t that my phone, my iPod and my Zune?’ And you’d be right."

So at least MS is not really worried. They want digital downloading...

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Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

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Originally Posted by Carlo Medina
Counterpoint 1: DVD had no format war competition. Yet prices still declined significantly over time. That is the natural way of electronics since I can remember. You will always be able to buy something better for cheaper, given the passing of time. I bought my Toshiba SD-2006 in May of 1997 for $499 and that was the cheapest player of the launch batch. Yes, Sony released their initial DVD player at $1000.

Does that pricing structure look familiar?

Counterpoint 2: There are many reasons for lower MSRP, competition is only one of them. Another, as was mentioned above, is cost of components. The longer, and the more, of the components are made over time, naturally the price drops. As the price of components drop, the price of the whole item drops. They are interested in maintaining a healthy profit margin, not keeping prices high. As soon as production for players ramps up and costs go down, so will MSRP. And while the "big boys" may not be trying to one-up each other to the death, Funai and the rest of the Chinese/SE Asian manufacturers aren't going to play by the pricing rules of the big boys. The fact that Funai has announced is a big deal.

Sure, BD player prices are not going to drop to DVD player prices any time soon, but people who weren't in the market when DVD launched in 1997 don't remember that pricing for those players followed a very similar trend to BD players.

DVD players became cheap for one reason, Apex introduced a DVD player for $80 at wal-mart and it was all over. With in a few months it was down to $60. It was cheap and it did things most $250 or $300 DVD players couldn't. So I think you are right on the mark with Chinese and Korean companies.

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Yes but there is another factor here. Most people who make a major AV purchase like a $1500 TV, don't make another purchase for at least another year. So there will be some lag time before people start buying players. I think if the price is right, people will start replacing dead DVD players with HD player.

If you look at the market now, people are already buying their 2nd or 3rd DVD players now... and also buying replacement players. The hot item in DVD players are ones that play Divx. Funny how people are going out of their way to play movies that look worse than DVD. Sounds like the whole MP3 phenonenon.

How long will it take for Blu-Ray player prices to come down to $39? I suspect at least another 2 or 3 years - during that time frame more and more DVD players and DVD movies are being sold. The manufacturers will keep making DVD players, and the studios will keep selling DVD movies for cheap. People will be even further into DVD making it even tougher to switch people over especially when a Blu-Ray disc will only play in a Blu-Ray player, and the disc is useless on all the other players they have in their home.

This thing has niche written all over it. I have no problem at all with a niche, but the studios and BDA want this thing to take over DVD. Not gonna happen.
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If you look at the market now, people are already buying their 2nd or 3rd DVD players now... and also buying replacement players. The hot item in DVD players are ones that play Divx. Funny how people are going out of their way to play movies that look worse than DVD. Sounds like the whole MP3 phenonenon.

How long will it take for Blu-Ray player prices to come down to $39? I suspect at least another 2 or 3 years - during that time frame more and more DVD players and DVD movies are being sold. The manufacturers will keep making DVD players, and the studios will keep selling DVD movies for cheap. People will be even further into DVD making it even tougher to switch people over especially when a Blu-Ray disc will only play in a Blu-Ray player, and the disc is useless on all the other players they have in their home.

This thing has niche written all over it. I have no problem at all with a niche, but the studios and BDA want this thing to take over DVD. Not gonna happen.

Players that play DIVX codec are popular because there are a number of camcorders that record to disc in that format.

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Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

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Related link (found from the AVSforum):

http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2...tes-unplugged/

"Q=Warner Brothers said last week it was backing Blu-ray exclusively. Will Microsoft remain committed to the HD DVD format even if it appears that the media companies are backing Blu-ray?
A=Certainly we supported both Blu-ray and HD DVD as Windows peripherals. The last announcement was Paramount opting for HD DVD and now this one is going the other way. I still think a format battle is going on there. Our contribution is the HDi Interactive format piece has been really well received. We hope to see that used broadly. ****I think the real competitor in the long run is digital (video) download****. Just like in music, it is going to be the biggest of the three.

Q=You kind of sound agnostic about the formats.
A=No, not really. We have definitely worked with HD DVD in a very strong fashion. Our codecs and HDi are available on the other format and we are a leader in digital download so we have some involvement in all three approaches. ****In the long run, people don’t want physical media****. You don’t say to yourself, what’s the format battle after CD. If someone tried to introduce a new music format, you’d laugh and say ‘well isn’t that my phone, my iPod and my Zune?’ And you’d be right."

Guys, can you read what MICROSOFT is saying? Bill Hunt wasn't lying to you. Neither was I. Neither were the BD insiders to told us that last week that in the HD DVD camp's meeting with WB to try to win the contract with HD DVD a few weeks back, Microsoft would ONLY agree to pay for an exclusive HD DVD contract with Warner if Warner agreed to liscense their movie library to Microsoft for exclusive downloading rights. When Warner wouldn't consider providing MS with exclusive rights to their library for downloading, MS withheld their financial assistance and basically walked away from HD DVD. In fact, this meeting with MS helped firm WB's resolve to end the format WAR ASAP to try to establish disc-based HD media while there's till time in the market place. MS put their cards on the table in that HD-DVD bid-meeting and made it clear that it's not HD DVD they want to win, it's downloading, and their support behing HD DVD has been motivated by a desire to prolong this war, not to end it. WB's response was swift and effective. Every HT enthusiast should be thanking them, as the fate of disc-based HD media was given a second chance by what WB just did. Even now after the fact, Microsoft isn't being shy about hiding their real agenda (as seen in this reuters blog).

Is Microsoft's long-term agenda finally becoming clear???


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If true (about Paramount going BD) the format war could be over sooner than many of us had hoped. There is no way Universal can keep HD-DVD afloat all by themselves, at least not for very long.

Paramount doesn't even need to go BD for HD DVD to quickly fade from market reality. While not completely sunk, HD DVD's life-boat now has a huge gash in the hull and is taking on more water than even Universal and Paramount can bail out with their combined effort.
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Re: Warner Brothers is now Blu-ray Exclusive

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Players that play DIVX codec are popular because there are a number of camcorders that record to disc in that format.

Ummm... you don't it has anything to do with the millions and millions of movies people are downloading through file-sharing?
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Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

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Is Microsoft's long-term agenda finally becoming clear???

Next week at MacWorld Expo, expect Apple to announce agreements with most studios (possibly including Warner) for movie downloads through iTunes store (both purchases and rentals). I've heard that this was a rub for Microsoft.... that Apple was going to best them once again.

Three cheers for Apple! (I'm no Microsoft fan!)

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Re: Warner Brothers is now Blu-ray Exclusive

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Players that play DIVX codec are popular because there are a number of camcorders that record to disc in that format.

Doug

I doubt that's the most significant reason, when so much of the pirated material available via bit-torrent and other P2P networks utilizes DivX.
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Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

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Next week at MacWorld Expo, expect Apple to announce agreements with most studios (possibly including Warner) for movie downloads through iTunes store (both purchases and rentals). I've heard that this was a rub for Microsoft.... that Apple was going to best them once again.

Three cheers for Apple! (I'm no Microsoft fan!)

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Let's not forget Sony who are trying to make the PS3 a media-hub and will be offering movie downloads soon. Damn Sony! Why are they trying to kill Blu-ray?!
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Re: Warner Brothers is now Blu-ray Exclusive

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This thing has niche written all over it. I have no problem at all with a niche, but the studios and BDA want this thing to take over DVD. Not gonna happen.

To go back to my earlier post about the impact of this on BD media prices:

if the studios really do want that to happen...they would have to keep prices down.

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Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

And The Look and Sound of Perfect - HD DVD still isn't working. Is this a sign?
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Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

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Let's not forget Sony who are trying to make the PS3 a media-hub and will be offering movie downloads soon. Damn Sony! Why are they trying to kill Blu-ray?!

Having downloading as an add-on or ancilliary feature for studios is one thing. Sony an the rest of the *movie studios* want disc-based media as well because they know there are all kinds of customers, and they want to market disc media and make lots of money off of it. This includes WB, obviously.

MS doesn't own movies and they can't make money off disc media... only royalties for the codecs that get used on them. They can make even MORE money of downloads if they have the exclusive rights to the contracts to control that content flow. That was their goal.

The BDA and Warner acted to stop the format war because they *want* disc media. Offering future downloads as an additional option doesn't negate this.

MS acted to *prolong* the format war because they view disc-media, and the future market it could create, as a competitor with their own best means of making money: their future downloading paradigm.
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Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

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And The Look and Sound of Perfect - HD DVD still isn't working. Is this a sign?

It's a conspiracy! The Blu-ray bunch must have hacked the site.
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Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

another confirmation that Paramount is about to go Blu:

Game Over: HD DVD To Join Deadpool

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Paramount is said to be about to switch to Bluray according to CrunchGear, the final fatal blow in Microsoft’s and Toshiba’s effort to establish HD DVD as the Next Generation DVD standard.
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MS doesn't own movies and they can't make money off disc media... only royalties for the codecs that get used on them. They can make even MORE money of downloads if they have the exclusive rights to the contracts to control that content flow. That was their goal.

I would not be surprised if MS ends up buying a movie studio in the near future. The truth is that MS is not satisfied being the primary platform that people use for games, they are not satisfied having the majority of the OS market, and the money they make offering software to other companies like Ford, Nokia, LG, Samsung and many others for cell phones and other devices is not enough for MS. Now they would love to push downloads and not only control movie distribution but to make alot of money off of the revenue stream that they would most likely control as well. This is based on what MS is trying to accomplish every day, its not a MS is evil thing. MS is a company that does a good job at taking over other companies and taking over as much of the market as they possible can. They are a very monopolistic company and they always have been!

I am very interested in what Blu-ray titles WB will be releasing this year. IMHO it was a smart move and they helped bring the end of the format war one step closer to ending. I have nothing against movie downloads and it does have its place. But it is worthless as far as collectors go, downloads will not be worth any value as a collectable. Only a physical format can hold value as a collectable IMHO. I would be interested in HD downloads in situations where I was uncertain if I wanted a title, I could rent the download and buy it on a physical media if I liked it. I could also see renting a download for titles I do not want bad enough but will rent it if I have guests over that want to see a particular title.

To WB I just want to say, thank you for taking the step to go Blu-ray and to help bring the format war to an end.

And as far as the Look And Sound Of Perfect site goes, dam that site is messed up right now.

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Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

The only reason I don't think MS is going to take over a studio is simple: they don't even have a foothold in that market and they don't have current expertise in it. They tried their hand at the videogame market, something that at least was tangentially related to their primary business, and did not succeed in overtaking the PS2 (with the XBox) or the Wii (with the 360). It would be a 10x harder battle to go into something as foreign to their core business as moviemaking.

MS wants to take over businesses and have a monopoly, yes. But they'll only go for it in places where they stand a good chance in succeeding (logically they should have had a chance at gaming, but screwed it up by giving PS2 a 1 year headstart, and were outmaneuvered by Nintendo with their Wii strategy).
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The only reason I don't think MS is going to take over a studio is simple: they don't even have a foothold in that market and they don't have current expertise in it. They tried their hand at the videogame market, something that at least was tangentially related to their primary business, and did not succeed in overtaking the PS2 (with the XBox) or the Wii (with the 360). It would be a 10x harder battle to go into something as foreign to their core business as moviemaking.

MS wants to take over businesses and have a monopoly, yes. But they'll only go for it in places where they stand a good chance in succeeding (logically they should have had a chance at gaming, but screwed it up by giving PS2 a 1 year headstart, and were outmaneuvered by Nintendo with their Wii strategy).

Actually Microsoft's main competition wasn't with Nintendo, it was with Sony. MS has managed to take a nice chunk of marketshare from Sony by releasing the 360 early - and the PS3 has fallen behind. The Wii has actually helped MS more than it hurt them... it's helped hinder Sony from selling more than it has. The original XBOX was Microsofts' way of putting their foot in the door and getting a feel for the industry. They've learned from it and are doing very well with the 360. They've got a lot of developer support now and it's constantly increasing. They have a smart strategy in place with Live Anywhere and their tools are very powerful allowing development between the PC and console platforms with little effort - expanding developers markets.

MS has a really good chance of becoming the leader in gaming as their sales for both the console and especially games are impressive.
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Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

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another confirmation that Paramount is about to go Blu:

Game Over: HD DVD To Join Deadpool
That blog post merely links to another blog post that merely references the article already posted in this thread. It's not "another confirmation," just another reference to the information we've already heard.

I'm not saying it's not going to happen, but people need to chill a bit.
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Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

Here's a real story - from the London Times.
Blu-Ray takes inside edge in war with HD-DVD - Times Online

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As many as 20 companies currently part of the HD-DVD Promotion Group could be preparing to remove their names from the alliance’s 130-strong membership list, The Times has learned.

Maybe this is why the HD-DVD website is down. Companies may have pending instructions to remove their names from the "list".

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Wow, and I thought it was the porn industry that was going to the major factor in this hi-def war!

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That's not the case if I understand correctly. Anyone receiving their programming through Cable or Satellite, for instance, will not be affected by the switch. It's really only those who get their programming over-the-air.
Correct. I'd like to upgrade my TV to HDTV, but the switch to digital isn't going to force my hand or anyone else's. Most will just get a converter box from the cable company.

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Wow, and I thought it was the porn industry that was going to the major factor in this hi-def war!
While porn played a huge part in the launch of VHS, and a big part in DVD, the sheer amount of free stuff available on the net...or so I hear...which was not available back in the infancy of VHS and only on a limited basis in the infancy of DVD, will probably keep it from being a driving force in HDM.
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This keeps looking like a runaway train and its not in favor of Toshiba that is for sure. All of the press that has been surfacing the past two days will definantly not help HD-DVD. Especially when Toshiba is basically now where to be found. They made one statement to the press and it was very brief, but if the bad news of defection keeps coming out. Even if it is speculative then because Toshiba is not challenging the articles. This makes me really wonder what is going on behind the scenes and has Toshiba on the verge of surrender?

If Toshiba is in this fight, they should act like it! It does not matter if the are actually going to consider surrender in a few months. Toshiba's actions lead me to think that with the possible defections that are said to be taking place. It is clear to others that HD-DVD has the stink of death on it and they feel it is time to end the war and remove there support for HD-DVD.

About two weeks ago the most I figured was that WB would drop the bomb at CES and announce they where going Blu. Well we all see that WB did not wait for CES to begin as the dropped the bomb before the opening keynote took place. Some may feel that MS involvement may end up saving HD-DVD but I do not see MS at this point being a real factor. If Toshiba can not retain movie studios then there will be no future for HD-DVD, MS or not MS. And now they are saying that HD-DVD hardware supporters may end up pulling there names of Toshiba's "The Look And Sound Of Perfect web site". This is definantly spiraling out of Toshibas control and it must be looking like something out of a nightmare for them. Toshiba is not helping the situation by remaining silent when they need to be trying to control the situation. Why would anyone that is seeing the news that has been coming out about HD-DVD, why would anyone make a first time HD-DVD player purchase?


Anyone heard or seen information on WB Blu-ray titles for this year yet?

WB going Blu.

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Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

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While porn played a huge part in the launch of VHS, and a big part in DVD, the sheer amount of free stuff available on the net...or so I hear...which was not available back in the infancy of VHS and only on a limited basis in the infancy of DVD, will probably keep it from being a driving force in HDM.

Exactly. Who still pays for porn?
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Dave, you hit the main issue for me. It no longer matters if all this info flying around is true. I bet the purchases of HD-DVD players has all but stopped. The public perception that HD-DVD is dead is what is going to be the thing that ends the war.

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Bloomberg.com: Japan

According to that, Paramount currently is not planning on dropping HD-DVD support. It doesn't say they won't be adding Blu-ray support again though.
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I may be wrong so please some one correct me if I am not correct on this. I beleive that WB will be dropping HD-DVD in May so I would be looking for the HD-DVD version of Twister to be scraped. I would be very suprised if it actually was released, even if it is one of the last HD-DVD's it should not matter. Twister is slated to come out on Blu-ray as well so it should not matter in the long run. But my money is on the HD-DVD version disapearing and not happening.

While I'm a page behind, I believe the Warner position is to continue with the release schedule of everything that has already been announced for release on HD-DVD. They will also continue to release new titles on on HD-DVD through the end of May. They may not (and probably will not) release on the same day as the BD & DVD versions, however.
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"This keeps looking like a runaway train and its not in favor of Toshiba that is for sure. All of the press that has been surfacing the past two days will definantly not help HD-DVD."


I was in CC today picking up Zodiac and heard a customer talking to a couple who were looking at a HD player today - basically saying only 2 studios supported HDDVD and it was on its way out.


Looking around I noticed a $299 tag on the Sony DBPS300. I have a $100 gift certificate from my G/F and a $50 from my mother both from Xmas, so I decided what the hell, I was only actually paying $150 for it.
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Obviously, any new combo player wouldn't be an HD DVD design that had Blu-ray "added" to it. It would be a BRAND NEW design with both Blu-ray and HD DVD as part of the design.

LG and Samsung have produced such players, with varying levels of success. Samsung just announced ANOTHER new combo player yesterday. Why on earth do you assume that Toshiba couldn't produce one too?

Reading posts backward. Mark, this is incorrect. The initial LG offering was actually an HD-DVD player that had BD 'spliced' onto it relatively late in the development process. The intial units used to demo TotalHD (the BD/HDDVD combo format) didn't fully support the BD side. It was all fixed by the time the player hit the market, but the unit was originally an HD-DVD only player.
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1/8/08 at 12:33pm
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Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

The news has spread like wildfire to the most average of consumers.

I went to UPS today to return my Toshiba XA2 for a repair. The
UPS guy looks at the box and says "You know, you got a real
dinosaur there. You heard the news didn't you...."

Talking to the guy I could tell he had very little knowledge
of home theater, but he certainly knew that HD-DVD was dead.

I'm just a little baffled as to why Toshiba and the three remaining
studios want to continue the fight. As someone pointed out,
retailers are going to further kill HD-DVD, convincing their
customers that it's a dead format.

I wish the HD-DVD camp the very best and we here at HTF will
continue to support both sides until one collapses.
Ronald J Epstein
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