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Originally Posted by Mark Booth
1) The studios (all of them) were not happy with the relatively slow growth of both formats. While, at the same time, standard def DVD sales were declining.
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Originally Posted by Marc Colella
Oh boy.... they're gonna be really pissed when they realize a year down the road that even with only one HD format - sales aren't much better than they are now (certainly not enough to justify the amount of money and effort put into the format).
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Originally Posted by Paul Borges
I don't think its right to say to those that are upset about this decision that's it's just 'sour grapes' or are 'taking it too personal'. Look, Warner screwed over a lot of people. What is the figure? Something like 1 million people bought one of those HD-DVD players and the XBOX add on? So what are we supposed to do, smile and say, oh well at least we have something to fill the dump sites! People are human and have emotions. This is a betrayal. And its a major betrayal because it totally slants things to Blu-Rays side, where Paramount's decision was more neutralizing since it is a smaller piece of the market.
I think those that say 'sour grapes' and 'get over it' should be a little more sensitive and keep their comments to themselves. Thanks you |
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Originally Posted by Paul Borges
So what are we supposed to do, smile and say, oh well at least we have something to fill the dump sites! People are human and have emotions. This is a betrayal.
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Originally Posted by TravisR
I can understand being upset about this but as others have said, if you weren't prepared to be on the losing end of the format war, you shouldn't have bought in this early to either format.
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Originally Posted by Paul Borges
We shouldn't have to accept this kind of treatment.
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Originally Posted by RickER
I still have my LD player, and have had one for 20 years. Even if it didnt catch on!
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Originally Posted by BrandonH
I still have my LD player too and still use it. The sad thing about the LD player here in the USA is, while the Japaneses were already embracing hi-vision LD players we were still in the dark ages here in the USA because the HDV had not even been introduced yet. HD TV (Hi-Vision) was not even introduced here yet. Not that it makes any difference but just wanted to point out that HD has been around for a long time ant time wise its just starting to catch on here. n$a's Pioneer HLD-X9 page
n$a's MUSE Hi-Vision, decoders (Sony MSC-4000, JVC HV-MD2) and W-VHS (JVC HR-W1, HR-W5) page |
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Originally Posted by RickER
Sometimes you just have to turn the computer off, and enjoy a good book, or movie. Just chill...i worked outside today. Its almost 70! Course i cant help you if you live in NY, MN, WA, or heck CA. You guys in those states should go the book route.
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Originally Posted by Paul Borges
After 2 years is early? Whatever.
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) Sure, it's a moderately heavy expense (at least when you make my pitiable salary), but when I consider the years of enjoyment I'll derive from a pristine HD film collection, it's totally worth it.
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Originally Posted by Robin_B
I stopped buying SD DVD's months ago because I didn't want to spend money on something I knew I would have to upgrade to HD a few months later when the war was over and I finally got to buy a HD player. And I'm pretty sure there are hundreds .. thousands .. maybe even millions who are in the same boat as me.
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Originally Posted by Patrick_S
The concept that millions of people stopped buying SD DVD because of they were waiting for the HD format to shake out is simply not supported by the numbers.
Those who didn’t have HD simply purchased SD. I’ve posted this before and I’ll stand by it, HD will not result in return to the peaks of revenue that were experienced in DVD’s glory days. All that will happen is that the dollars that would have been spent on SD will migrate to HD. This is especially going to be the case because the general public is unwilling to pay a premium for HD. |
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Originally Posted by RickER
Wow, now that is one cool LD player. Damn! Makes my Pioneer 704 look insignificant by comparison!
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Originally Posted by Paul Borges
Yeah, I will be reading a lot more books from now on. At least they don't keep changing formats on us.
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Originally Posted by Ricardo C
To my fellow HD-DVD owners:
Guys, yeah, it sucks. Totally. But the players? They still work. The movies? They still play. |
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Originally Posted by JonZ
"Yeah, I will be reading a lot more books from now on. At least they don't keep changing formats on us."
Seems alot of people are really disappointed. This is why I said, Im spending so much less on my HT habit than years that have passed and Ive made comments here before about disappointing with movies and television (favorite shows being cancelled) so many times recently that it really made me step back and take another look at how I was spending my time and money. I started drawing again, practice guitar more, etc...doing other things to occupy my time than I was previously. And Ive cut way back on spending my money on HT things. I really havent gotten upset. Like I said my decision to go HDDVD was a financial one. We'll have to see, but its possible Toshiba wont abandon the people who invested in HDDVD and a combo player may be available. A combo player would be ideal for peopel who did invest in HDDVD. If not, Ill eventually get a BluRay player, but Im not in any hurry. It wont happen for awhile. As for my Toshiba and HDDVDs,I still have a LD player from 1984 and it works fine! So I plan on enjoying my HDDVDs for a long time. |
| I just don't want to hear people espousing this crap about the market deciding this war or that Warner is better than Paramount for doing the exact same thing Paramount did, months ago. |
| 1) The studios (all of them) were not happy with the relatively slow growth of both formats. While, at the same time, standard def DVD sales were declining. 2) Warner preferred to go HD DVD exclusive but didn't want to do it by themselves. They felt they needed one more studio from the Blu-ray camp to go HD DVD exclusive. 3) Warner and Fox had worked out a deal where both of them would announce going HD DVD exclusive at CES' HD DVD press conference. That was what the big news was going to be. 4) At the last minute, Fox got a better offer from the Blu camp and backed out of the deal. 5) Warner, feeling that the format war needed to end sooner rather than later (see #1), threw in the towel and accepted the fat offer that the Blu camp had been dangling in front of them. Folks, this ALMOST went the other way. It was just two days from being a huge HD DVD success story. Yesterday's news was a HUGE surprise to many in the industry! |
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Originally Posted by Jesse Blacklow
If it's anything like previous models, it just means that it comes in black (as opposed to "S" for silver paintjobs).
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Originally Posted by Todd H
I think it just specifies the color of the player, which is black.
Good choice on the Panasonic. I have one and sold my PS3. Loads just as fast and bitstreams all of the hi-def audio formats. |
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Originally Posted by Felix Martinez
I believe that's the color of the model (black).
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Disney/Buena Vista/Miramax: Please put Beautiful Girls on Blu-ray with bonus features and the original theatrical trailer in 1080p, and an anamorphic re-release with bonus features and the original theatrical trailer day-and-date on DVD. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
Paramount prolonged the format war.
Warner just ended it. That's a big difference. Sort of. First, if anyone really thinks that the same studio that stopped releasing HD content the minute security was cracked (FOX) was about to release their library of films on a format that lacked the additional security of BD+, they aren't paying attention. Yes, that story above is exactly what the Toshiba/Universal camp want everyone to think, and for a time it's what Warner and Fox wanted Toshiba and Universal to think as well. Many of us had heard this already before today. However, a few important facts have been withheld from that account... like the fact that MS/Toshiba offered the same deal to Warner and it was refused. Other "facts" are assumed... like that WB and FOX were telling the truth when they expressed interest in going HD DVD exclusive (ie, by raising the stakes on both sides of the game, WB increased their potential gain dramatically... regardless of which way they really had wanted to go). It worked. Bill Hunt has a good piece up at the bits about the story that sheds some more light. The BDA insiders have been on this one for a while... and have been sharing the developing story as its developed. This story outlined above is not a fully accurate picture of what happened (though some of the details are true). Here's a hint: Fox and Disney wanted Blu-ray Disc to win. They just might have acted the part they needed to in HD DVD discussions order to make it happen. |
