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Originally Posted by bigluigi
You state this is if it was "fact."
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This is how I feel, I don´t want to have two formats "forever", since I want that "one HD-format" (let´s use this term here..) will replace SD DVD one day etc. "Fact" is a pretty strong word, not sure that is it the right one here...
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So, I find it simply mind boggling that Blu-ray supporter are passionately clamoring for ONE format ONLY as the only way HDM will survive after enjoying the benefits that competing formats offered this past year. How quickly we forget.
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No, people don´t "forget" and of course format war has also caused some "good" - especially during its first year, but it´s time to move towards that "one format". Thank you "format war", thank you for competition and thank you that the prices have lowered down. Now it´s time to move on.
SD DVD didn´t need "competing format" and look what happened.
I believe you also forget mr. Luigi, that many of the first DVDs were non-anamorphic, no DTS, less extras etc. Prices were also lowered down eventually. Just a bit time and patience was needed. No need for "two formats".
So is it that HD DVD-fans want "two formats" and Blu-ray-fans want "one"? Perhaps the other camp believes more to their format, then?
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Originally Posted by Steve_Pannell
Like it or not, there are still two formats and will be until the remaining studios go blu. (There is probably little doubt that this will happen). But until then I think it should be up to each individual to do what is best for himself..
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Fair point.
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Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!
SD DVD didn't need a competing format for numerous reasons. The most obvious is economies of scale, but only slightly less obvious is that SD DVD had what HDM currently lacks: a unified manufacturing front with a unified marketing plan. This was true, at least as far as hardware went. Because HDM has been fractured from the get-go, it hasn't caught on as quickly. Add to that the fact that the collector movement began with the reduction of VHS prices (and to a smaller extent, the LD "movement') and DVD made good on the promise of collectability in smaller spaces and DVD was a no-brainer. I would mention quality, but that was even more of a no-brainer.
Even if BD has won the "war" at this point, it's still going to have to make clear to the average consumer why the upgrade is "necessary", something it has failed to do so far.
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Originally Posted by jpcos
It's hard to compare the launch of Blu-ray to anything in electronics history because no one has really tried to own a market with a progression such as this.
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Coleco's Adam comes to mind.
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I don't remember any major CE format/product that had such a clear air of being unfinished as Blu-ray has had. It's one thing to say that there will be future enhancements. It's quite another to say that the players on sale for more than a year are already two major generations away from where players will be within a year. In addition, a major studio supporter has touted features that will not play on any standalone player on sale today.
It's hard to compare the launch of Blu-ray to anything in electronics history because no one has really tried to own a market with a progression such as this.
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I agree with you. I've never seen it happen. Although the first line of Toshiba dvd players way back would not play DTS and certain discs would not work, I remember because I bought the first player. Blu-ray came to market unfinished because hd-dvd came to market and blu-ray could not wait another year and give Toshiba the head-room. I don't say this was right, but I do see it from a business stand-point if Blu-ray wanted any chance, and it appears they did very well with the market anyway. Blu-ray did deliver the movies from day 1, with the 1080p and the uncompressed sound, that's what I really wanted anyway, and that was my main concern. Anything 1.1 or 2.0 has very little interest for me, but I know it does for some.
I still say that the BDA made a big mistake in not mandating 1gb of memory and an ethernet port on every player (even if a firmware upgrade was needed to activate it). I have the feeling once this is all sorted out with the new players being finalized, we will see quite a sparkling format. For those like me, who really are after watching the movies in glorious 1080p and uncompressed sound, I am quite happy now. I don't really care about 1.1 or 2.0, even though my PS3 will have both soon.
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Originally Posted by nolesrule
Toshiba wasn't the only brand of first gen players that could not pass or decode DTS. My Panasonic couldn't either.
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I had a friend with the first Pioneer DVD player, it had trouble skipping chapters and it was not enabled for DTS. Seems all the formats are late with DTS, even these 2 new ones.
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Player sales numbers have been confirmed:
NPD Confirms Huge Blu-ray Share Jump - 1/23/2008 9:40:00 AM - TWICE
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Toshiba wasn't the only brand of first gen players that could not pass or decode DTS. My Panasonic couldn't either.
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Let's not forget the very first Sony DVD player,
the venerable DVP-S7000. It was later replaced with the DVP-7700 which did support DTS but the 7000 was a landmark player. Tremendous build quality, no macrovision, no region coding and a hefty price (over $1000) by today's standards.
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Let's not forget the very first Sony DVD player, the venerable DVP-S7000. It was later replaced with the DVP-7700 which did support DTS but the 7000 was a landmark player. Tremendous build quality, no macrovision, no region coding and a hefty price (over $1000) by today's standards.
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Originally Posted by bigluigi
HDM is totally different. It's going to be a "hard sell." People are content with their SD DVD collections.
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Yes, you´re correct. It´s "hard sell", no doubt. But it´s even more hard with two formats.
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I still wonder why people with HD sets less than 56" buy HDM players. I don't see much difference between an upconverted picture and HD picture on my 56" 1080P set.
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Strange comment. I have 40" 1080p LCD and I can "see the difference". But perhaps not all people see that, I can´t speak for everyone.
These "I don't see the difference"-comments are usually what the SD DVD-fans keep saying, mainly because they want to think that their "SD DVD"-collection is "good enough" etc. Sure, SD DVD is decent/good and I have around (give or take) 1700 SD DVDs, but of course I see "the difference" between 480 vs 1080 (or 576 vs 1080 with PAL).
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Originally Posted by bigluigi
In fact, the MORE formats...the BETTER!!
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Well, we obviously disagree with this one, so I doubt that we find any common ground on this one.. Time will tell of course who is "right" (truth is probably again somewhere in the "middle").
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Originally Posted by Paul_Scott
How anyone can look at the situation today with hdms and expect the same parallels "if only there were one format", strikes me as a very simplistic, not very astute, appraisal of past and current trends and a poorlyl reasoned estimation of future trends.
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I can see that this discussion isn´t really going nowhere. All I can say is, that the time will eventually tell how this situation is going to play out.
If there´ll be "two HD formats" and all that, I´ll continuing to buy both formats in some degree. I won´t be happy (nor the "masses" are happy), but I can live with the situation (I have both players after all). It´s sad for the "masses", but what can you do.
However, at the moment I hope that the Blu-ray will "win" and we´ll have "one format". It´s up to Universal and Paramount now. So - time will tell. Our debate won´t change the outcome.
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Originally Posted by Reginald Trent
All the more reason to eliminate HD DVD as competition then BD could progress at the snail's pace they envisioned initially with high prices for hardware and software intact. Unfortunately for them HD DVD is a formidable obstacle.
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In what world? Blu-ray player prices are dropping rapidly, you can't accuse Blu-ray of having higher prices since the software prices for both formats are the same, and HD DVD is tanking in both hardware and software. Time to be realistic here, folks.
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There is also another big factor about when dvd went widespread and the circumstances now that I havn't seen discussed here..... The economy. When DVD came out, our country was in much better financial shape, prices were lower, and disposable income was higher. The last few years have been extra tough on people with all types of rising costs and the gas prices, rising health care and insurance costs among other costs. I think there are many people (and families) that are being very careful about purchasing anything that they consider a luxury item, and since they already have dvd, I think many people are waiting until they see a sign of things improving to buy something like this, and with this recession talk, it's scaring them. I know I am not comfortable about buying many things right now. So how many people are considering replacing their movies right now with all of this going on is a big question.
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