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Does anyone know if a disc replacement program will be made available for the DVD of The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour?

If so, this DRP would involve having all four discs be replaced with corrected discs that have the original 1976 opening and closing titles (one of each per airing; the opening would of course bear the title of The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour, and would also have the original version of the theme song in which its lyrics were reworked for The Scooby-Doo Show in syndication) and interstitials identifying each of the two segments within the hour-long program.

The DVD set, as it was originally released in March 2006, had the two segments as their 30-minute syndication versions, respectively titled as The Scooby-Doo Show and Dynomutt: Dog Wonder.

The last time anyone had ever seen the opening and closing titles of the show in discussion was on spring 1984 through 1992 airings of Dynomutt on USA's Cartoon Express block.
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12/4/07 at 8:05pm
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Re: Disc Replacement Program - The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour

I doubt it.

It didn't sell particularly well, and I'd bet most people have no idea that the openings and closings are incorrect.

So I doubt that there have been anywhere near enough complaints to warrant the time and money to fix, re-author and replicate new discs.
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Re: Disc Replacement Program - The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour

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Originally Posted by David Levine
I doubt it.

It didn't sell particularly well, and I'd bet most people have no idea that the openings and closings are incorrect.

So I doubt that there have been anywhere near enough complaints to warrant the time and money to fix, re-author and replicate new discs.

Dave,

Do you own a copy of this particular DVD?

Also, wouldn't there be some way a DRP for a certain title can be sanctioned, but hopefully not in terms of how many copies that that particular DVD had sold on its first day of release?

Speaking of this title not selling well, let me point out there are numerous other DVD titles that didn't sell well that may warrant a DRP anyway, and they too had altered opening and/or closing titles (in addition to missing footage and/or revised music within the show). Look at Happy Days, Laverne & Shirley and Mork & Mindy. Music rights prohibited many of the original songs (Bill Haley and the Comets' "Rock Around the Clock" was the original opening title theme for Happy Days in its first two seasons) from being mastered onto the DVD sets of these shows, and the closing logos were also changed (except for season 1 of Happy Days).
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Re: Disc Replacement Program - The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour

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Dave,

Do you own a copy of this particular DVD?

Nope. But I'll probably pick it up. I have a soft spot for The Blue Falcon and Dynomutt. One of my favorites as a kid.

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Also, wouldn't there be some way a DRP for a certain title can be sanctioned, but hopefully not in terms of how many copies that that particular DVD had sold on its first day of release?

First day of release has nothing to do with it. It's been out for over a year and a half, so at this point it's essentially sold what its going to (figure maybe 20-50 copies a week for a while still). And this is a big expense to fix. It isn't like there was a glitch in the authoring and all they need to do is fix it and replicate. This would inolve finding the other elements, editing them in and reauthoring 4 discs. The studio is going to lose money on the deal.

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Speaking of this title not selling well, let me point out there are numerous other DVD titles that didn't sell well that may warrant a DRP anyway, and they too had altered opening and/or closing titles (in addition to missing footage and/or revised music within the show). Look at Happy Days, Laverne & Shirley and Mork & Mindy. Music rights prohibited many of the original songs (Bill Haley and the Comets' "Rock Around the Clock" was the original opening title theme for Happy Days in its first two seasons) from being mastered onto the DVD sets of these shows, and the closing logos were also changed (except for season 1 of Happy Days).

Right and those will never be fixed. If the songs were too expensive to license when they first made the sets, they aren't going to get any cheaper later. That's the bummer of music licensing.

You're really only going to get a DRP if there is a flaw in the discs - an episode won't play or freezes up at a layer break, menus don't work, incorrect framing (Back to the Future, POTC Blu-Ray), wrong version of a movie (superman collector's set), etc.
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Re: Disc Replacement Program - The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour

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You're really only going to get a DRP if there is a flaw in the discs - an episode won't play or freezes up at a layer break, menus don't work, incorrect framing (Back to the Future, POTC Blu-Ray), wrong version of a movie (superman collector's set), etc.

The only flaw in this DVD is that the separate syndicated, 30-minute versions of both segments are used here rather than the 1-hour version which, of course, would bear the title of The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour. Other than this, the two segments appear to be unedited.

The segment breakdown for the 1-hour version of the program as was seen on ABC from 1976-77 was:

Opening title (one per show)
Segment intro (Scooby-Doo, one per show)
Segment (Scooby-Doo)
Segment intro (Dynomutt, one per show)
Segment (Dynomutt)
Preview of next week's episode (usually, all next week episode previews are omitted from DVD sets)
Closing title (one per show)

And believe it or not, the theme song for the 1-hour version had revised lyrics, there used for the separated 30-minute Scooby-Doo segment called The Scooby-Doo Show.
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12/6/07 at 9:15am
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Re: Disc Replacement Program - The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour

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Originally Posted by ClassicTVFan1981
The only flaw in this DVD is that the separate syndicated, 30-minute versions of both segments are used here rather than the 1-hour version which, of course, would bear the title of The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour. Other than this, the two segments appear to be unedited.

The segment breakdown for the 1-hour version of the program as was seen on ABC from 1976-77 was:

Opening title (one per show)
Segment intro (Scooby-Doo, one per show)
Segment (Scooby-Doo)
Segment intro (Dynomutt, one per show)
Segment (Dynomutt)
Preview of next week's episode (usually, all next week episode previews are omitted from DVD sets)
Closing title (one per show)

And believe it or not, the theme song for the 1-hour version had revised lyrics, there used for the separated 30-minute Scooby-Doo segment called The Scooby-Doo Show.

I watched this show when it originally aired on ABC, but that was some 30 years ago and my memory isn't so great...the separate Scooby and Dynomutt segment intros you reference above...is the "Dynomutt" one the same as the later Dynomutt show opening as seen on the ABC Sunday morning reruns (and later USA and Cartoon Network)? And what did they use for Scooby? (I can't imagine it having been the one that's on the syndicated half-hours.)

For some reason I don't remember what kind of individual intros (if any) were in the original one-hour shows...I do know the Dynomutt intro (as seen on the DVDs) was used when ABC ran a half-hour version of "Dynomutt" on Sunday mornings in the late 1970s.

Also for the record, I remember seeing some of the "Dynomutt" half-hours on USA's Cartoon Express, with Scooby and Dynomutt pictured together on the closing credits...that version does not show up on the DVD set. (I don't think it was on every episode, but I'm pretty sure that's an artifact of the original one-hour show.)

FWIW...the Dynomutt half-hours on the set are a couple minutes shorter than the Scooby-Doo half-hours.

I wonder if this is a case of the original opening and closing being lost...or just the "powers that be" not wanting to make the effort to look for them.

Not being a huge Scooby fan (but a fan of H-B in general, though my main interest is pre-1970s H-B) I might not have bought this set if I knew it didn't have the correct original titles. (It's not a tragedy, but it seems like a really obvious blunder, unless the footage is missing. Now, the "Magilla Gorilla" set not having the show opening or closing anywhere on the set, even as an extra, now THAT was just ignorance.)
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12/6/07 at 11:38am
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Re: Disc Replacement Program - The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour

The Jetsons had the wrong opening credits as well and they never fixed it. I wouldn't count on them replacing this one.
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12/6/07 at 12:12pm
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Re: Disc Replacement Program - The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour

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For some reason I don't remember what kind of individual intros (if any) were in the original one-hour shows...I do know the Dynomutt intro (as seen on the DVDs) was used when ABC ran a half-hour version of "Dynomutt" on Sunday mornings in the late 1970s.

The Dynomutt intro you're speaking of is the correct one, but his solo outing began on ABC Saturday mornings (from June 3 to September 2, 1978), not on Sundays.

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Also for the record, I remember seeing some of the "Dynomutt" half-hours on USA's Cartoon Express, with Scooby and Dynomutt pictured together on the closing credits...that version does not show up on the DVD set. (I don't think it was on every episode, but I'm pretty sure that's an artifact of the original one-hour show.)

It sure wasn't on every episode. I think three of these episodes had these special opening and ending tags you described, and these episodes were all that had Scooby and his gang alongside the Daring Duo. The episodes, for the record, were the first two and the 10th (respectively: "Everyone Hyde!", "What Now, Low Brow?" and "The Wizard of Ooze"). The other 17 episodes with just the Daring Duo would use the 1978 opening/ending tags (when Turner acquired the entire H-B library in 1991, they struck their own prints using the 1978 opening/closing tags on all 20 episodes).
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Re: Disc Replacement Program - The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour

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Originally Posted by David Levine
I doubt it.

It didn't sell particularly well, and I'd bet most people have no idea that the openings and closings are incorrect.

So I doubt that there have been anywhere near enough complaints to warrant the time and money to fix, re-author and replicate new discs.

I'm not sure I blame 'em, what with their huge docket of projects up and coming...

Oh, well...there's always a chance of future rerelease!

In the meantime...anyone out there saved any VHS copies of the "Dynomutt" half-hours on USA's Cartoon Express, with Scooby and Dynomutt pictured together on the closing credits?
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Re: Disc Replacement Program - The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour

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The only flaw in this DVD is that the separate syndicated, 30-minute versions of both segments are used here rather than the 1-hour version which, of course, would bear the title of The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour. Other than this, the two segments appear to be unedited.

And that's one big reason why there won't be a DRP for this title. I can't think of any studio that would issue such a recall because they used a syndicated opening (or modern endboards/vanity cards, etc.). Regrettable that they didn't include the originals? Yes. But, generally not considered by a studio to be reason for a recall.

As has been said, it's possible they couldn't find the original elements (or, perhaps, the original hour-long versions have never been cleaned up and converted to digital tape, and they already had modern conversions of the syndicated ones on-hand).
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Re: Disc Replacement Program - The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour

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As has been said, it's possible they couldn't find the original elements (or, perhaps, the original hour-long versions have never been cleaned up and converted to digital tape, and they already had modern conversions of the syndicated ones on-hand).

On the contrary: I've heard from a reliable source that the stuff is there, but WHV's reluctant to spend the money to restore it, and they'd rather take the cheap way out instead via syndication prints.

We diehard vintage toon fans still deserve better.
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Re: Disc Replacement Program - The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour

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On the contrary: I've heard from a reliable source that the stuff is there, but WHV's reluctant to spend the money to restore it, and they'd rather take the cheap way out instead via syndication prints.

We diehard vintage toon fans still deserve better.

I hope a rush job like this does not turn up on the forthcoming The Richie Rich/Scooby-Doo Show DVD.
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Re: Disc Replacement Program - The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour

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I hope a rush job like this does not turn up on the forthcoming The Richie Rich/Scooby-Doo Show DVD.

Look at their track record so far. What do you think is going to happen, based on that?

And Earl Kress isn't there any more, either.

I never caught one of those Dynomutts on USA from the beginning. Are you saying they had the original SD/D opening too?
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Re: Disc Replacement Program - The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour

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Look at their track record so far. What do you think is going to happen, based on that?

And Earl Kress isn't there any more, either.

I never caught one of those Dynomutts on USA from the beginning. Are you saying they had the original SD/D opening too?

Q1: Where is Mr. Kress now???

Q2: They did use the original 1976 opening and closing titles. But not all of the Dynomutt episodes had them (some had the extant '78 opening and closing titles)
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Re: Disc Replacement Program - The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour

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I never caught one of those Dynomutts on USA from the beginning. Are you saying they had the original SD/D opening too?

No, just the opening to the Dynomutt segment featuring Scooby-Doo, and the original end credits. In other words, the entire second half of Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt.
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No, just the opening to the Dynomutt segment featuring Scooby-Doo, and the original end credits. In other words, the entire second half of Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt.

So it's just the 30-second bridging segment for "Dynomutt" (which features scenes of episodes with Scooby in them) and the original SD/D closing title.

The 30-second bridging segment for Dynomutt probably has the same theme music that would be used for the 1978 opening/closing titles for Dynomutt: Dog Wonder.
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2/8/08 at 5:26am
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Re: Disc Replacement Program - The Scooby-Doo/Dynomutt Hour

One thing I should mention here...titling this thread the way it was titled, the first thing I thought when I saw it was that there WAS a disc replacement program for SD/D (which would have shocked me to my core). Maybe a ? at the end might be a good idea for speculative threads...
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