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20 Million Miles to Earth: 50th Anniversary Edition (Blu-ray)





Studio: Sony/Columbia
Year: 1957
Rated: Not Rated
Length: 82 minutes
Aspect Ratio: 1.85:1 1080p
Black & White and Colorized
Languages: English Dolby TrueHD 5.1, English Stereo (supplements only), Spanish Mono
Subtitles: English SDH, Chinese, Korean, French, Portuguese, Spanish, Thai


The Program

Why is always so costly for man to move from the present to the future?

That question is posed by 20 Million Miles to Earth, one of the more highly-regarded sci-fi/alien monster films of the fifties. Directed by Nathan Juran (The Deadly Mantis, Attack of the 50-Foot Woman, The 7th Voyage of Sinbad, etc.), the movie is actually the brainchild of Ray Harryhausen, who also played a major role in the production of this Blu-ray disc. Harryhausen was the special effects guru of the motion picture industry in the pre-CGI days, and 20 Million Miles to Earth is one of his earlier efforts. This 50th Anniversary Edition contains two versions of the film – the original black and white presentation which was released in 1957, and a new colorized edition. My comments on the colorized version can be found in the Video section of this review.

A manned space mission to Venus, led by Air Force Colonel Robert Calder (William Hopper), goes out of control during re-entry and crashes into the Mediterranean Sea near Sicily. Two Sicilian fishermen manage to rescue Col. Calder and Dr. Sharman, the mission’s chief scientist, just before the spacecraft sinks into the sea. The two men are cared for by Marisa Leonardo (Joan Taylor), who is in medical school and is “almost” a doctor. Dr. Sharman dies of a strange disease which he contracted on Venus, but Col. Calder survives with not much more than a scratch on his arm.

The spacecraft also has an unwilling passenger – a gelatinous “egg” which was placed in a watertight cylinder. Unbeknownst to Col. Calder, the cylinder washes up on shore and is discovered by Pepe, a young boy who was in the boat with the two fishermen. Instead of telling the adults about what he has found, Pepe takes the cylinder into a cave and opens it. Big mistake! Thinking that he may have found something valuable, Pepe takes the hunk of gelatin to Marisa’s grandfather, Dr. Leonardo (Frank Puglia), who is a zoologist. Dr. Leonardo’s curiosity is piqued and he gives Pepe a few coins. Later that evening, in one of the film’s more memorable scenes, the gelatin hatches and a small lizard-like, bi-ped creature emerges. Dr. Leonardo places the creature in a cage, prompting Marisa to say, “So very ugly – and yet it seems so frightened.”

The next morning, Dr. Leonardo and Marisa are astounded to discover that the creature has doubled in size overnight. [A few words here about the creature: Harryhausen named it “The Ymir,” but the creature is never referred to by name in the film. Harryhausen explains that there was concern that viewers might confuse “Ymir” with “Emir.” Harryhausen still calls it “The Ymir,” as do many fans of the film.] Dr. Leonardo, who has no idea that the creature is an alien, decides to take it to Rome for further study. Along the way the creature gets loose, and havoc ensues.

20 Million Miles to Earth is an intriguing production. Although portions of the movie were filmed in Italy, the only actor who actually went to Italy was William Hopper. The other actors with speaking parts filmed their scenes in Hollywood, often with rear projection placing them in Sicily and Rome. For distant scenes which were filmed in Italy, doubles were used for all actors other than Hopper. William Hopper, the son of Hollywood gossip columnist Hedda Hopper, attained his greatest fame playing the role of private investigator Paul Drake in the television series Perry Mason.

The plot of 20 Million Miles to Earth is reminiscent of King Kong in the sense that it involves a creature taken against it will to a strange and inhospitable new environment. The difference here is that Kong was brought to New York to be put on display, whereas The Ymir was brought to Earth so that scientists could study it and learn how it survives in the atmosphere of Venus.

This film is recommended without qualification for fans of the genre. It is fast-paced, clocking in at 82 minutes, and Harryhausen’s stop animation is amazing, as always.

The Video

Most film purists agree that colorization is an abomination. However, I have no real objection to colorized films as long as the original black and white version of the film is included. Thankfully, that is the case here.

On the other hand, I watched the colorized version of 20 Million Miles to Earth and it is remarkably well-done. In addition, the colorization of the film was done with the blessing and participation of Ray Harryhausen. “I am thrilled that this film is finally being seen in color,” says the 87-year-old Harryhausen. “I had wanted to do the film in color in the 1950s, but our budget was not large enough to accommodate that luxury. Now, thanks to the marvelous advances made in the colorization process by San Diego’s Legend Films and others, audiences will be able to see 20 Millions Miles to Earth as I originally intended.” The colorization process was supervised by Harryhausen, meaning that he ultimately made the choices about what colors to use. The colors here, as rendered by Legend Films, are quite vivid and consistent. Once I got into the film, I was surprised to discover that I was not distracted by the fact that it is colorized.

That said, purists will be happy to learn that the black and white version looks terrific. The picture is consistently sharp, the contrasts are excellent, and the image is free of dirt, splices or other damage. However, many viewers may not find the Blu-ray transfer to be a significant upgrade over the standard-definition DVD which was released in July. While the image is sharper and shows more detail, the film's grain is far more pronounced in this version (I personally have no objection to grain, but keep this in mind if grain is an issue for you). Overall, the film probably has not looked this good since it was released fifty years ago, but even so I have to say that the Blu-ray version does not seem to me to be a huge improvement over the standard-definition DVD.

The Audio

The original mono soundtrack has been re-engineered into Dolby Digital TrueHD 5.1. It sounds very good and there is quite a bit of stereo dimensionality in the action scenes, although I did not hear much activity in the surround channels. The dialogue is crisp and understandable throughout. It would have been nice if the disc offered an option to listen to the film in mono, but I consider the TrueHD soundtrack to be an upgrade over the mono soundtrack on the DVD.

The Supplements

This Blu-ray release of 20 Million Miles to Earth is packed with the same extras that appear on the DVD.

There is an informative audio commentary featuring Ray Harryhausen, visual effects artists Dennis Muren and Phil Tippett, and documentary producer Arnold Kunert. As one would expect, the commentary focuses primarily on the technical aspects of the film.

A featurette entitled “Remembering 20 Million Miles to Earth” covers the transformation of Harryhausen’s original idea for the film into a screenplay and then to a finished movie. Included are comments by film directors Terry Gilliam and John Landis. A major treat is a lengthy interview of Harryhausen by Tim Burton, whose career was greatly influenced by Harryhausen. This is followed by an interview with Joan Taylor, who at the age of 77 demonstrates an excellent recollection of her participation in this film and others (among them Earth vs. the Flying Saucers). She had married writer Leonard Freeman (creator of the television series Hawaii 5-0) in 1953 and in 1958 she turned to television work (she no longer was willing to go on location for films) until her retirement in 1963.

Colorization, that controversial process, is discussed at length in a featurette which describes the technological advances which are now being used by Legend Films. In another segment, Arnold Kunert talks about the film’s marketing and advertising campaign Viewers who are interested in how films of that era were scored will be fascinated by the featurette “Mischa Bakaleinikoff: Film Music’s Unsung Hero.” Bakaleinikoff was musical director, conductor and occasionally composer for Columbia’s B pictures. His credits on IMDB encompass more than 500 films. Also included are a Still and Production Art Gallery and a “sneak peek” of a new comic book entitled “20 Million Miles More.”

The supplemental materials are shown in standard definition with stereo sound and subtitles in Spanish and Portuguese.

Other Features

The main menu allows the viewer to select either the black and white or colorized version of the film. The angle button on the remote control is supposed to allow viewers to toggle between the two versions, but my Blu-ray player does not have an angle button on its remote. I had to press the Display button and then scroll down to Angle to use the toggle function. The audio commentary also can be turned on and off from the main menu.

Packaging

The single disc come is a standard Blu-ray keepcase which has a reproduction of the film’s original promotional artwork on the cover.

The Final Analysis

If you already have the standard-definition DVD of 20 Million Miles to Earth, you may want to try to preview the Blu-ray version to see if the sharper picture and TrueHD 5.1 soundtrack are worth the additional investment to you. On the other hand, I am seeing street prices for the Blu-ray disc which are equal to or even a bit less than the DVD, so first-time buyers will probably want to go for the Blu-ray version. Fans of fifties sci-fi in general and Ray Harryhausen in particular should have no hesitation about picking up this 50th Anniversary Edition.

Equipment used for this review:

Panasonic DMP-BD10A Blu-ray Player
Sharp LC-42D62U LCD display
Yamaha HTR-5890 THX Surround Receiver
BIC Acoustech speakers
Interconnects: Monster Cable

Release Date: December 4, 2007

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Pre-ordered from Amazon, should have it today or tomorrow. Can't wait!

...and no, I won't be bothering with the colorized version, regardless of Mr. Harryhausen's endorsement of it. It's a BLACK AND WHITE movie, and it's had no trouble remaining a classic for fifty years as such.
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It's a BLACK AND WHITE movie, and it's had no trouble remaining a classic for fifty years as such.

Amen!

I was worried that this release might only contain the colorized version which would have been a no-sale for me. Thankfully I can enjoy it in glorious B&W.

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Anyone with the first generation Samsung BD-P1000 try this disc?

When playing “20 Million Miles to Earth” (Blu-ray) on the Samsung BD-P1000 with 11/19/07 Version 1.3 FW installed, the movie will play in "angle 1" mode for the color version and "angle 2" mode for the black and white version.
The problem I’m having is that the “angle” box is always visible on the screen, within the picture, while the movie is playing.

This does not happen when the disc is played on a PS3.

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Mine should arrive today. Sold off the original DVD in preparation.
The Collection (Blu-Ray/DVD)

Pre-orders - BLU
-RAY: 12 Monkeys, Big Trouble in Little China, Braveheart, Gladiator, Godzilla (1954), Hero, Jackie Brown, Pulp Fiction, The Watchmen DVD: Columbia Film Noir Collection Vol #1 and #2, Study in Terror, Toho Collection: Icons of Sci-Fi
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This is one of the few titles announced by either camp that really got me excited. There is not a Harryhausen film I don't like. And thankfully, this one remains available in all of it's B&W glory.

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Anyone with the first generation Samsung BD-P1000 try this disc?

When playing “20 Million Miles to Earth” (Blu-ray) on the Samsung BD-P1000 with 11/19/07 Version 1.3 FW installed, the movie will play in "angle 1" mode for the color version and "angle 2" mode for the black and white version.
The problem I’m having is that the “angle” box is always visible on the screen, within the picture, while the movie is playing.

This does not happen when the disc is played on a PS3.

Paul
I'll try my disc today with my Samsung.
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I need to see this. Its embarrassing to admit that this one has always slipped through my fingers.

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When playing “20 Million Miles to Earth” (Blu-ray) on the Samsung BD-P1000 with 11/19/07 Version 1.3 FW installed, the movie will play in "angle 1" mode for the color version and "angle 2" mode for the black and white version.
The problem I’m having is that the “angle” box is always visible on the screen, within the picture, while the movie is playing.

That's pretty much my experience with the Panasonic Blu-ray player. There is no Angle button on the remote, so I had to press "Display" which brings up an onscreen box where you can choose angle 1 or angle 2. But the onscreen box has to be visible to use it.

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I find it extremely ironic that Harryhausen is endorsing colourisation @ this point, since I read an interview with producer Charles H. Schneer in Starlog several years ago that indicated that Harryhausen was terrified of working in colour when 20 Million Miles to Earth was made and resisted moving to colour for as long as he could.

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Anyone with the first generation Samsung BD-P1000 try this disc?

When playing “20 Million Miles to Earth” (Blu-ray) on the Samsung BD-P1000 with 11/19/07 Version 1.3 FW installed, the movie will play in "angle 1" mode for the color version and "angle 2" mode for the black and white version.
The problem I’m having is that the “angle” box is always visible on the screen, within the picture, while the movie is playing.

This does not happen when the disc is played on a PS3.

Paul
Tried it this morning and you're right I can't get the "angle" box to go away. Does your PS3 have an "angle" button?





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Tried it this morning and you're right I can't get the "angle" box to go away. Does your PS3 have an "angle" button?
There is an "angle" button on the optional PS3 remote I purchased. Didn't try pressing it when I had the disc in the PS3 because "angle" wasn't displayed on the screen and wasn't an issue when I played the disc. Will try it tonight.

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Anyone with the first generation Samsung BD-P1000 try this disc?

When playing “20 Million Miles to Earth” (Blu-ray) on the Samsung BD-P1000 with 11/19/07 Version 1.3 FW installed, the movie will play in "angle 1" mode for the color version and "angle 2" mode for the black and white version.
The problem I’m having is that the “angle” box is always visible on the screen, within the picture, while the movie is playing.

This does not happen when the disc is played on a PS3.

Paul

I should be getting this title soon, I'll let you know.

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I find it extremely ironic that Harryhausen is endorsing colourisation @ this point, since I read an interview with producer Charles H. Schneer in Starlog several years ago that indicated that Harryhausen was terrified of working in colour when 20 Million Miles to Earth was made and resisted moving to colour for as long as he could.

He resisted color because he wasn't sure how to do the complicated mattes that he was doing to combine his stop motion effects with the live action in color. Once he over came that problem he fully embraced color.

In fact his very next film was The 7th Voyage of Sinbad which was his first film in color. It may very well have been that he had solved the color problems and wanted to use color on 20 million miles to earth, but the studio didn't want to spend the extra money.

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< While the image is sharper and shows more detail, the film's grain is far more pronounced in this version (I personally have no objection to grain, but keep this in mind if grain is an issue for you). Overall, the film probably has not looked this good since it was released fifty years ago >

Richard, for the first time since I have been watching hi-def discs, I have not been so aware and distracted by compression artifacting. The film grain did not bother me. I know the difference between the two as they do look similar. I was not aware of any problem until the Ymir is eating the sulphur and from then on until the end it was a distraction and disappointment.
Did you notice this?
With regard to the audio it is a pity that Sony did not provide us with the original mono sound to accompany the b/w version. This also spoiled the enjoyment of the film for me.

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Richard, for the first time since I have been watching hi-def discs, I have not been so aware and distracted by compression artifacting. The film grain did not bother me. I know the difference between the two as they do look similar. I was not aware of any problem until the Ymir is eating the sulphur and from then on until the end it was a distraction and disappointment.
Did you notice this?
With regard to the audio it is a pity that Sony did not provide us with the original mono sound to accompany the b/w version. This also spoiled the enjoyment of the film for me.

I'll go back and take another look. Gary Tooze at DVD Beaver says he saw "some artifacts" but overall he gives it a very postive review.

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDRe...th_blu-ray.htm

I thought that they did a pretty good job of remixing the audio, but as you say they should have include an option to listen in the original mono.

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I was going to update my post, Richard, to say that my judgement was based on the b/w version, but you replied before I had the chance. I did a toggle over to the colorized version and it seemed the same. If you look at the sky or any smooth surfaces it becomes noticeable. Thanks for your reply and look forward to your further responses on this.

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Richard, for the first time since I have been watching hi-def discs, I have not been so aware and distracted by compression artifacting. The film grain did not bother me. I know the difference between the two as they do look similar. I was not aware of any problem until the Ymir is eating the sulphur and from then on until the end it was a distraction and disappointment.
Did you notice this?
With regard to the audio it is a pity that Sony did not provide us with the original mono sound to accompany the b/w version. This also spoiled the enjoyment of the film for me.


Steve Pickard

Compression artifacts really don't look anything like film grain. Compression artifacts are typically uneven and can show up in one of a few different ways.

Banding can often be seen in clear blue skies where the codec just doesn't have enough information to accurately reproduce the change from say light blue to dark blue, so you get abrupt shifts that look like bands across the sky. the new codecs AVC and VC-1 have almost completely eliminated this kind of artifact even at low bitrates.

Mosquito noise looks just like what it sounds, a swirl of noise around either light or dark objects. They tend to be grouped in a blob.

In the worst case compression artifact will look like large square blocks. You would only see this in the case of VERY low bit rates such as you see on digital cable.

Video noise, which is not the same thing as compression artifacts, can look quite a bit like film grain if it is relatively light. When the gain is cranked up on a CCD chip in a video camera or a telecine machine, the noise becomes more obvious. Of course if the gain is cranked up too far it becomes pretty clear that its noise and not film grain.

Film grain is typically much more uniform across the frame than digital artifacts. The only exception to that would be in an optical composite where one part of the image maybe more generations away from the original than another part of the frame.

For a really good example of what film grain is supposed to look like, take a look at Bullitt from Warner, or The Sting from Universal.

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Compression artifacts really don't look anything like film grain. Compression artifacts are typically uneven and can show up in one of a few different ways.
In the worst case compression artifact will look like large square blocks. You would only see this in the case of VERY low bit rates such as you see on digital cable

Doug

Thanks Doug, this seems to be the closest to what I am seeing. It looks less like blocks, more like grain, from where I was sitting. Will look closer tomorrow. I see what I think you are describing often on Satellite HD broadcast and, I don't have cable, I think it is the same on the disc.

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Thanks Doug, this seems to be the closest to what I am seeing. It looks less like blocks, more like grain, from where I was sitting. Will look closer tomorrow. I see what I think you are describing often on Satellite HD broadcast and, I don't have cable, I think it is the same on the disc.


Wow I'm very surprised! I wouldn't expect to see blocky compression artifacts on anything with a bit rate as high as a blu-ray or HD DVD disc.

I'm going to try and pick up this title tomorrow, I'll see if I'm seeing the same thing that you are.

Doug

Edit: Sorry I miss read your last comment. I thought at first you said that it did look like blocky compression. The other thing is if this was an effects shot, remember that Harryhausen often used elements projected into miniature sets that he photographed before. These inserted elements might appear to have much more grain than the surrounding set. Not to mention that the effects shots on the whole are going to have much more pronounced grain than the live action shots.
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Thanks Doug, this seems to be the closest to what I am seeing. It looks less like blocks, more like grain, from where I was sitting. Will look closer tomorrow. I see what I think you are describing often on Satellite HD broadcast and, I don't have cable, I think it is the same on the disc.
After viewing this disc while multi-tasking it looked more like film grain to me in certain scenes. I'll try to take another closer look at the video again this weekend.





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Its a very grainy movie. Has all the rear projection, opticals you know. All the Harryhausen movies are that way. I bet its a pain to master. I have the original DVD, and while its grainy, i never noticed any real artifacting while watching it on my 50" plasma. Hard to believe a Blu-ray disc would have a problem?
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I hope the people at Sony aren't reading this and thinking "ok, we'll just DNR/filter/EE the hell out of things so film grain is no longer an issue".
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I hope the people at Sony aren't reading this and thinking "ok, we'll just DNR/filter/EE the hell out of things so film grain is no longer an issue".
I hope not because I thought the video presentation was great.





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Tried it this morning and you're right I can't get the "angle" box to go away. Does your PS3 have an "angle" button?
Used the PS3 remote "angle" button to change between color and black & white. It works on the fly, just pausing the picture for a second. You see the same frame turn from B&W to Color and then it continues.
The "angle" box appears on the screen only for a second when the "angle" button on the remote is pressed and then vanishes .
Hope a FW update can correct the "angle" display problem on the Samsung BD-P1000.

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Its a very grainy movie. Has all the rear projection, opticals you know. All the Harryhausen movies are that way. I bet its a pain to master. I have the original DVD, and while its grainy, i never noticed any real artifacting while watching it on my 50" plasma. Hard to believe a Blu-ray disc would have a problem?

I understand what you are saying and it is not that. I will look at the film again and take some times down where I can see it.

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At 54 minutes there are several helicopter shots and you can see all this shifting density in the grain, but the grain is not what I am complaining about.
If it isn't compression related, what is it?

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I just spoke to a telecine colorist and described to him what I was seeing and in his opinion he thought it is compression related.

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Steve,

I've just had the chance to look at this film. I check the point you talked about at 54 min into the film. I'm seeing a fair amount of film grain in the helicopter shots. I think I see what you are talking about as far as "shifting grain" but it looks to me more like film that was either badly processed or was pushed in the processing. Also some of the helicopter shots are clearly enlargements from 16mm stock footage. Particularly the shots where the troops are getting out of the helicopters.

Also I have the BD-P1000 and I also have the problem of the angle graphic staying on the screen. Hopefully Samsung will have a correction for this soon. I actually feel sorry for Samsung. Here they were the first blu-ray player out of the gate, and practically kept blu-ray alive for the first 3 or 4 month of it's life, and now every time they turn around they are having to release an update to make a new disc work.

Doug

Edit: For anyone with a Samsung player a temp solution is to go into the display menu of the player and turn off the on screen messages. I don't know if anyone else has already suggested this or not, if so sorry to be repeating it.
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Re: HTF BLU-RAY REVIEW: 20 Million Miles to Earth 50th Anniversary Collection

Finally got a chance to watch this last night. Didn't see any artifacts but I did see grain which seems the result of the optical effects and also the stock footage commonly placed in B movies. MonstersHD has all the Harryhausen films on steady rotation and I can say they are very grainy (especially any shots with visual effects) and I think the High Def clarity brings out the grain even more.

I don't mind grain so I thought it looked fine and this is a definate step up from the DVD. On a side note curiosity got the better of me and I did use the angle feature in certain places to check out the colorized version. Meh, I definately prefer the original B&W.

Sony just announced similar DVD B&W/Colorized re-issues for Earth vs. the Flying Saucers and It Came From Beneath the Sea so hopefully we'll get these on BD soon.
The Collection (Blu-Ray/DVD)

Pre-orders - BLU
-RAY: 12 Monkeys, Big Trouble in Little China, Braveheart, Gladiator, Godzilla (1954), Hero, Jackie Brown, Pulp Fiction, The Watchmen DVD: Columbia Film Noir Collection Vol #1 and #2, Study in Terror, Toho Collection: Icons of Sci-Fi
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