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Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

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If you haven't moved anything and your speakers are not set to Full Band then the results should be very close to the first time you ran MultEQ.

I wonder if one of your speakers may have a damaged driver since the last time you calibrated. Do you have a DVD with pink noise? I would suggest playing it from each of the speakers and checking each of the drivers to see if they are producing sound.


Thanx chris and i do love audyssey. I will use my rives disk to see if i do have a blown driver. The only added thing to my living room is a new couch. Thanx again.
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The Audyssey curve is Flat from 20 Hz and applies a slight high frequency rolloff at 10 kHz and above. The Audyssey Flat curve is Flat out to 20 kHz. There is no bass boost in either of them and their room correction performance in the bass is identical.

Chris

Thanks Chris. You are of course correct, the curves differ in the HF...my poor memory after looking at too many screens and speakers... And I can get my LFE boost if wanted for some movies by the sub channel level control without ruining the majority of the Audyssey setup, so that's easy.
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I ran into an issue last week when I setup my new Axiom speakers. I replaced my old Fluance with M60's, VP150, and 4 QS8's from Axiom Audio. I ran Audyssey MultEX on my Onkyo 705 and it had errors detecting the M60's. I had an issue with one of the speakers and had Axiom replace it. Even after the replacement, Audyssey would not detect either of my mains. After much experimenting with placement, replacing wires, and testing the speakers with DVE, I was satisfied that the speakers were working correctly.

I tried Audyssey one more time just to see if it would work. To my surprise it did. So later in the evening I ran it for real (intending to do 8 positions) and it once again failed to detect the mains. Eventually I figured out if I lowered the mic by a few inches, everything worked correctly.

In the past (and at first with my new speakers), I had the mic about 3 inches above the back of the couch (about my ear level). Now, I have to keep it less than an inch above the back of the couch or it does not work. Any idea why this happens with these new speakers? (BTW - My couch is nowhere near the back wall).

I got it working and it still sounds great. I'm just curious what is happening.
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Hi David,

That sounds odd. 3 inches should not make a difference on the detection of the speaker. What is the error you are getting? Phase or speaker not detected?

Chris

Chris Kyriakakis
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Hi David,

That sounds odd. 3 inches should not make a difference on the detection of the speaker. What is the error you are getting? Phase or speaker not detected?

Chris

Yes, it seemed strange. I got "speaker not detected" errors on both mains. I could only select cancel or retry.
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Audyssey Chris (If you mind me calling you that

I just bought and Onkyo 805 receiver and will be setting it up with the Audyssey. However I previously purchased the Velodyne SMS-1 subwoofer eq. Can the Velodyne serve a purpose here or is it redundant?
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Audyssey Chris (If you mind me calling you that

I just bought and Onkyo 805 receiver and will be setting it up with the Audyssey. However I previously purchased the Velodyne SMS-1 subwoofer eq. Can the Velodyne serve a purpose here or is it redundant?

Hi Vince,

Sorry for the delay, but for some reason I didn't get a notification email of your posting...

Anyway, I would first recommend trying it without the SMS-1 in the path. If you do decide to use both, you should run the SMS-1 first and then run MultEQ through it.

Chris

Chris Kyriakakis
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Hi all,

I have a Denon AVC A11 XVA with Teufel Theater 8 5.1 Speakers, both THX Ultra 2. I did the set up using Audyssey. Should I then make any manual changes or not? For example, should I manually change the indication for the subwoofer to THX and lock the cross over frequency to the THX standard, or should I leave everything as determined by the setup?

Many thanks,

Etienne
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Hi all,

I have a Denon AVC A11 XVA with Teufel Theater 8 5.1 Speakers, both THX Ultra 2. I did the set up using Audyssey. Should I then make any manual changes or not? For example, should I manually change the indication for the subwoofer to THX and lock the cross over frequency to the THX standard, or should I leave everything as determined by the setup?

Many thanks,

Etienne

MultEQ measures the speakers in the room and will recommend a crossover that may be different from 80 Hz, based on the interaction of the speakers with the room. What values did MultEQ return for the crossovers?

Please note that the subwoofer low pass filter in the AVC should be set to 120 Hz. It is incorrect to set it anywhere else because that is how the LFE track is encoded. This low pass filter only affects the LFE track and not the bass being directed to the subwoofer from the satellite speakers.

Make sure the subwoofer mode is LFE-THX in the AVC.

Chris

Chris Kyriakakis
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When I run Audyssey on my Onkyo 805, I get results similar to those reported by others in this thread, i.e. extremely low setting of my LFE level, a large setting for my fronts, and lower levels for my side and rear surrounds than I prefer. Of course, these things are all easily correctable, but I cannot find a way to save my settings once I get things the way I want them. Everytime I turn on the receiver, it reverts back to what Audyssey originally set [except the "large" setting for the fronts]. So my question is simple. Is there a way to save the settings I want, or am I just out of luck.

Thanks in advance for any insight

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Seems to be saving my settings now, though I don't know what changed.

John

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Hi folks,

Updated and upgraded/paid for the new Denon 3808ci features which I think is a revolution in home theater receivers to be able to do this and i love this receiver and the abilities of Audyssey

However...

After running Audyssey after the update/upgrade the results were... not good.

I am running Energy Encores, 2 energy encore subs, sitting about 12 feet from front speakers, 10 foot wide space, 1 rear center speaker at ear level behind couch ( although i guess Audyssey does not have a selection for 1 rear center 6.1 setup ), rears are ear level beside couch snout 5ft from center seating, ( so i guess 6.1 which Audyssey does not have a selection for ) and subs with xover input, LFE set on 3808, volume set at 12 o'clock on the sub

After re-running the test 3 times I get this ( which is has to be wrong )

front left 4.7ft, 200hz crossover, and -12 for vol.
front right .7ft (NOT 4.7ft ), 200hz crossover, and -12 for vol.
rears .2 and 2ft , 200hz, -12 vol
sub .1 ft, 110hz (and would not turn on with bass passages after)
front center .1ft, 120hz , -12 vol
rear center, ??? won't work for 6.1 and a single speaker

Sounds bad as you can imagine... I set the mic at main seating, left 2 ft, right 2 ft, right chair half way to tv, right of tv 4ft from main sitting, left chair half way to tv, 4 ft from main sitting , last middle tv hlaf way to screen... so 6 spots all at ear level, ALL speakers set to small and LFE in the Denon menu. I don't think this would be a hard room to calibrate ??? Ideas ???
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There might be a slight possibility that the upgrade firmware that you downloaded might be corrupt (quite possible if you didn't do so using a wired LAN connection); one way to know for sure is to hook up the Audyssey mike, go into Audyssey setup mode (if not already there), then lightly rub your finger across the top of the mic--if you hear scratching noises coming out of your speakers when you do that, then unfortunately that means the firmware download got corrupted...for which there is no known immediate solution at this time, other than calling Denon and seeing if they can find a way to let you download the upgrade firmware again (AFAIK it is not possible--at least at this time--to download it again from the Denon receiver GUI menu).
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There might be a slight possibility that the upgrade firmware that you downloaded might be corrupt (quite possible if you didn't do so using a wired LAN connection); one way to know for sure is to hook up the Audyssey mike, go into Audyssey setup mode (if not already there), then lightly rub your finger across the top of the mic--if you hear scratching noises coming out of your speakers when you do that, then unfortunately that means the firmware download got corrupted...for which there is no known immediate solution at this time, other than calling Denon and seeing if they can find a way to let you download the upgrade firmware again (AFAIK it is not possible--at least at this time--to download it again from the Denon receiver GUI menu).


After chatting with the Canada Denon rep, i have to send it to them to be re-flashed. Sure would be nice if i could just re-download the .bin and do it myself.
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Audyssey can make your system sound amazing if you set it up correctly. Unfortunately, the documents that come with the receivers are not written very well. There are a few things you can do to optimize your results.

Over at AVS there is an effort to create a better document (Chris from Audyssey participated in this). I got permission from the document's author to post it here.

Enjoy!

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Audyssey Setup – One Step at a Time
by (giomania at AVS)

The below step-by-step instructions are based on information collected from the Audyssey FAQ, located here: Audyssey: Frequently Asked Questions and the AVS Forum Official Audyssey thread

Disclaimer: The following procedures may not work in all cases, as there are too many variables to account for in this document. If you feel further assistance is required, please ask your questions in this thread.

I. Room Setup
A.Lower the noise floor of the room (<45dBA) by turning off the HVAC system, projector, etc.

II. Microphone Setup
A.Use the microphone that came with the unit.
1.Use of a different microphone will cause incorrect frequency response measurements because of different internal calibration.
B.If you feel the urge to use another microphone, re-read section A.
C.Mount the microphone on a tripod.
D.Point the microphone at the ceiling.
E.Place the microphone at ear height when seated.
F.If the seat back is higher than your head, ensure the microphone is above the seat back.
1.If the seat back is a few inches behind the microphone, this will cause additional reflections.
G.Place the microphone in the primary listening position for the first measurement.
1.Audyssey uses this measurement to set the speaker distances and levels, so the microphone should be placed in the seating position used the most.

III. Subwoofer Setup
A.Determine the optimal placement of the subwoofer within your room using common accepted practices. (location, location, location)
1.Here are some useful references for subwoofer setup:
a.Audioholics subwoofer placement article: Subwoofer Placement - The Place for Bass Part 1 — Reviews and News from Audioholics
b.Harman multiple subwoofer placement white paper: http://www.harman.com/wp/pdf/multsubs.pdf
B.Disable the Low-Pass Filter (LPF) on the subwoofer, if allowed.
1.Disabling the LPF will result in more accurate subwoofer distance measurements.
2.If the LPF cannot be disabled, set it to the highest frequency allowed.
C.Ensure the subwoofer(s) are at least 3 – 5 inches (7 – 13 cm) from the wall.
1.Reverberating walls may result in inaccurate subwoofer distance measurements.
D.Set the subwoofer polarization (0 or 180 degrees) using common accepted practices.
1.If you have two subwoofers, ensure their polarization settings are the same.
E.If the subwoofer has a phase control (in addition to the polarization control), set it at “0”
1.Phase controls on subwoofers apply "delay" at one frequency rather than the needed group delay that is frequency independent. So, it is best to just leave them at “0”.
F.If the sub has an EQ system, use it to tame large peaks before calibrating with Audyssey.
1.Narrow peaks or dips in the response below 100 Hz that are 1/3 or 1/6 of an octave wide can be improved—but not eliminated—by Audyssey Mult EQ XT.
a.In these situations, the built-in subwoofer EQ systems might be useful.
2.Velodyne’s SMS and JL Audio’s ARO are two examples of EQ systems.

G.Calibrate the subwoofer volume
1.Set the volume control on the subwoofer at the middle of the adjustment range allowed.
a.Please note this “starting point” may not work with all subwoofers.
2.Place the microphone at the primary listening position (the center of the listening area) and run through the calibration process for the first measurement—until all speakers have been measured once.
3.After the first measurement process is complete, select "Calculate", then "Save" or "Store", then go to "Check Parameters".
a.Audyssey will calculate the speaker distances and trim levels from this first measurement.
b.Each manufacturer has a slightly different interface, so the terminology may not exactly match.
4.Check the subwoofer trim levels in the receiver / processor menu.
a.If the subwoofers trim level is at the maximum limit of the cut or boost adjustment range allowed, you need to adjust the volume control on the subwoofer and repeat step #2. Specific instructions will follow.
b.For example, Denon receivers have a trim adjustment range from -12dB to +12dB.
c.Trim adjustments are a tool used to achieve the goal of producing a specific SPL from each speaker / subwoofer when the system is played at reference level.
5.If the subwoofer trim level is at the maximum boost, turn up the subwoofer volume a bit and repeat step #2
6.If the subwoofer trim level is at the maximum cut, turn down the subwoofer volume a bit and repeat step #2
7.A suggestion for tweakers is to set the subwoofer trim level in the range of ±3 dB.
a.This is only a suggestion for the tweaker who likes to play around.
b.Audyssey’s position is to perform steps 4 to 6 above.

•Note: This process is for checking the trim levels only. After you have completed the subwoofer setup, be sure to start the measurement process over, following the guidance in section V to use all six or eight measurement positions available.

IV. Dual mono (LFE) Subwoofer Setup
A.Place the subwoofers symmetrically within the room, if at all possible.
B.Place the subwoofers at identical distances from the primary listening position, if at all possible.
1.When two subwoofers are driven as one unit, proper time alignment is critical.
2.The two subwoofers will not be properly time aligned unless they have the same physical distance from the primary listening position.
3.Adjusting the physical distance of the two subs effectively adjusts their time delay.
C.The above advice applies only to sealed rectangular rooms without any openings.
D.As an alternative to locating the subs at equal distances from the main listening position, you may insert an electronic device between the receiver / processor and the nearest subwoofer.
1.This device should introduce a time delay such that its output sound reaches the main listening position at the same time as the farthest subwoofer.
E.Attempt to match the output level of both subwoofers.
1.Play the receiver / processor internal LFE test tone while adjusting the volume control on the subwoofer.
2.Turn on one subwoofer and adjust the output level using an SPL meter to 80 decibels.
a.If you do not have an SPL meter, adjust the level by ear.
3.Turn off the first subwoofer, turn on the second subwoofer, and repeat the procedure.
4.Turn on both subwoofers and calibrate with Audyssey.
F.Follow the steps in subwoofer setup (above) for each subwoofer.

V. Microphone Placement (Measurement Positions)
A.Use the maximum amount of measurement positions allowed by the Audyssey version.
1.If you are using MultEQ or MultEQ XT you should use all six or eight measurement positions available.
B.Avoid taking measurements too far off to the side and/or outside the front Left and Right loudspeakers, even if seats are located there.
1.Frequency response in these locations will exhibit reduced high frequencies.
2.Audyssey would adjust the room correction filters according to this measured response, resulting in unnecessary compensation.
C.Avoid taking measurements too close to the back wall, even if the only seating is located there.
1.Move the microphone at least 1 foot (30 cm) from the back wall before measuring.
D.Audyssey uses the first measurement point to calculate the distances of each speaker and subwoofer. Distance measurements are really time measurements that ensure temporal coherence. It is a critical part of calibration because—without it—you have frequencies arriving at different times: This is called non-constant group delay, and is a form of distortion. The distances are calculated so the sounds from all speakers and subwoofers arrive at the first measurement position at the same time.
E.When calibrating only a primary listening position, use the following placement methodology:
1.The first microphone position (#1) must always be in the center of the listening area.
2.For measurement #2, move the microphone two feet (60cm) to the left of position #1.
3.For measurement #3, move the microphone two feet (60cm) to the right of position #1
4.For measurement #4, move the microphone two feet (60cm) forward of position #1.
5.For measurement #5, move the microphone two feet (60cm) forward of position #2.
6.For measurement #6, move the microphone two feet (60cm) forward of position #3.
7.For measurement #7, move the microphone one foot (30cm) to the left of position #1, and one foot (30cm) forward of the line formed by measurements #1, #2, and #3.
8.For measurement #8, move the microphone one foot (30cm) to the right of position #1, and one foot (30cm) forward of the line formed by measurements #1, #2, and #3.
F.Here is a visualization of eight measurements surrounding the primary listening position.
1.The first microphone position (#1) is where the silhouette of the head is located.
2.After the first measurement, the order in which you make the measurements does not matter. The order in the steps above only serves to ensure each location is measured.
3.The below diagram shows the optimum microphone placement for a typical living room. In general, Audyssey does not recommend putting the microphone in "every seat", except in a dedicated theater with seat rows.
4.In typical living rooms, placing the microphone in every seat will not give you the best results because the seats can be off axis or close to the wall. Audyssey recommends following a pattern close to what is in the diagram even if you only have one listening position. The most common problem with EQ systems is that they base their data collection on a single point in the room and that usually results in very poor performance.

VI. During Calibration
A.Do not make any sudden noises during the “chirp” measurements.
a.Audyssey measures for a few milliseconds (ms) after each “chirp” is finished, but then has to wait for the DSP to calculate, so the microphone is not active until a few ms before the next set of chirps.
B.Do not stand in between the speaker and the microphone or anywhere that the sound is either reflected off of you or absorbed by you.
1.The natural room acoustics must not be substantially affected.
C.Be prepared for the “chirp” measurements, as they are quite loud, and can startle you.
D.If a phase warning is shown, check the speaker wiring, and press “Skip” to continue with the calibration.

VII. After Calibration
A.Raise the speaker crossover settings, if desired.
1.Raising the crossover frequency from the calibrated setting does not affect the channel correction implemented by Audyssey.
2.Lowering the crossover frequency from the calibrated setting is not recommended.
a.Audyssey will not provide correction to the satellite speakers lower than the frequency it measures as the -3 dB point.
3.Setting the speakers to “Small” with a 60 Hz – 80 Hz crossover is a good starting point, assuming the calibrated crossover setting is 60 Hz or lower.
4.For additional details about the speaker setting process, see “Note 1” below.
B.Raise the low-pass filter setting (usually incorrectly identified as a crossover) of the LFE subwoofer in the receiver / processor to 120Hz, if allowed.
C.If the satellite speaker distance settings (excluding the subwoofer) were not measured accurately, and are markedly different from what you get with a tape measure, start all over.
1.Incorrect distance measurements for the satellite speakers indicate a procedural error, and the associated EQ results are likely to be poor.
D.Do not change the distance setting of the subwoofer.
1.Inaccurate subwoofer distance settings are the result of measured delays between the time when the receiver outputs the test tone and it is received at the microphone.
a.Any filters and/or active circuitry in subwoofers can delay this signal.
b.Audyssey simply measures the time delay and compensates for differences in the arrival time of sound from the various speakers and the subwoofer. It is best to compensate for these differences regardless of why they occur.
2.The subwoofer / satellite speaker time alignment blend is based on this measurement.
3.Inaccurate subwoofer distance measurements usually occur when the subwoofer’s Low-Pass Filter (LPF) is not disabled.
a.The LPF, by nature of its design, introduces additional delay to the signal; Audyssey detects and corrects for this delay.
E.Disable any Night Modes, DRC (Dynamic Range Compression), and D. Comp (Dynamic Compression) in the receiver / processor as well as the DVD / BD player.
1.If these features are not disabled, they could possibly cause adverse interaction with Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume.
2.You may need to temporarily turn off MultEQ to access these parameters in your receiver / processor.
3.You may also need to select a specific soundtrack type before a given parameter will appear in the menu for adjustment; check the manual to be certain.
F.If your receiver / processor has the THX Loudness Plus feature, turn it off if you plan to use Dynamic Volume.
G.Select one of the target curves created by Audyssey.
1.In a THX system, the “Flat” curve should be used when THX post-processing is on, and the “Reference” curve should be used when THX post-processing is off.
2.In other systems, the “Audyssey” curve should be used for listening to movies, and the “Flat” curve should be used for listening to music.
H.If desired, trim adjustments can be made in the receiver / processor, so that all speakers measure at 75 dB with an SPL meter (set at “C” and “Slow”) using the internal test tones. See “Note 2” below.
1.Audyssey will monitor these changes.
2.The changes are monitored so that Audyssey and its features (Room correction curves, Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume, etc.) work as designed.
3.If you were to make changes to the settings on a subwoofer, Audyssey would have no knowledge of this, and those features would not operate as designed.

Note 1: Audyssey does not set the crossovers; it simply measures the -3dB frequency point of each speaker. This information is passed to the receiver / processor for calculation of the speaker settings and crossover points, if applicable. Unfortunately, Audyssey does not report the -3dB frequency point measured for each speaker. The only information available to you is whether or not the speaker was designated “Large” or “Small”, and any crossover point selected for “Small” speakers.

Receiver / processor manufacturers use a specific Frequency Decision Point (FDP) to classify speakers as “Large” (full-range) or “Small” (less than full-range). The selection of the FDP varies among manufacturers, and may be 40 Hz, 80 Hz, or another frequency. If the -3 dB frequency measured by Audyssey is below the FDP, the speaker is classified as “Large’. If the -3 dB frequency measured by Audyssey is above the FDP, the speaker is classified as “Small”, and a crossover frequency is selected.

Each receiver / processor has various crossover points from which to choose. Typically, the first crossover setting above the -3 dB point measured by Audyssey is chosen. For example: If your receiver has crossover settings of 40, 60, 80, 100 and 120 Hz, and the speaker is set to “Small” with an 80 Hz crossover, that is an indication the - 3dB point is somewhere between 60 and 80 Hz.

Note 2: Before adjusting the trim settings, please understand that producing a calibrated setting other than 75 dB SPL results in reference level being achieved with the master volume set to something other than “0”. Further, Audyssey microphones are specified with a ± 2 dB maximum sensitivity tolerance. So, in the worst case scenario, the Audyssey microphone would be 2 dB “off”, which is more accurate than most popular consumer-level SPL meters. Consumer-level SPL meters are usually very inaccurate when measuring subwoofers; you have been warned.
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David Willow, Thank You Very Much. There are a few things here that are definately not explained in common Audyssey set-up proceedures. Over the holiday I'll be using this to re-calibrate my own system in hopes for better results. I'll admit I gave up on Audyssey after it's initial less than stellar results. My receiver is Onkyo 605 with Audyssey 2EQ and I know the MultEQ is better. Is there anything specific for 2EQ that would differ from MultEQ set-up? Thanks again.

" I think it's time we go to plan B". "What's plan B?" "That's the one where we don't do something stupid".

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David-
Great info. Thanks for posting.
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Hi all,

i have a problem with the Audyssey setup on a Denon 2308 AV Receiver. Before the Audyssey setup everything worked perfectly.
After the Audyssey setup there is absolutely no sound in modes STEREO, DIRECT (D/ST) and PURE DIRECT. However NEO 6, DTS and other modes still function.
After a factory RESET everything works again.
Beeing able to hear before the setup i suppose all other settings are correct and that Audyssey messes something up.

Does anybody know what i should do so i can use D/ST modes again after Audyssey setup?!

Please help, i do no want to reset again and loose all other settings.
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Hi all,

i have a problem with the Audyssey setup on a Denon 2308 AV Receiver. Before the Audyssey setup everything worked perfectly.
After the Audyssey setup there is absolutely no sound in modes STEREO, DIRECT (D/ST) and PURE DIRECT. However NEO 6, DTS and other modes still function.
After a factory RESET everything works again.
Beeing able to hear before the setup i suppose all other settings are correct and that Audyssey messes something up.

Does anybody know what i should do so i can use D/ST modes again after Audyssey setup?!

Please help, i do no want to reset again and loose all other settings.

Hi Alex,

Do you have the latest firmware for you Denon? I've heard of issues that can only be fixed with a firmware update.

I doubt your problem is related to Audyssey. When in PURE DIRECT mode, most internal processing is eliminated. Audyssey is not engaged.
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I have been trying to setup my Onkyo 805, all I EVER get is retry when doing the Audyssey because it can't detect my main speakers, Energy RC-10's, I have tried the supplied mic and a Sherwood mic with same results. I have unplugged and cut off every thing with the same results, I live in the country with no noise. It's driving me bananas.
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Hi Alex,

Do you have the latest firmware for you Denon? I've heard of issues that can only be fixed with a firmware update.

I doubt your problem is related to Audyssey. When in PURE DIRECT mode, most internal processing is eliminated. Audyssey is not engaged.

Hi David,
thanks for your answer.
In the meantime i managed to repair it somehow: i switched the Amp Assign mode from Stereo to 7.1. Originally the receiver was set to 7.1 but after the Audyssey setup it was set to Stereo. I think this way there is also an output signal for the other 5.1 channels but at least i can use the Stereo/Direct and Pure Direct modes again.

I dont know if i have the latest firmware but i wouldn't know how to perform an update considering that the receiver does not have an network connection.

Is there a way to check the firmware version and update it!?
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I have been trying to setup my Onkyo 805, all I EVER get is retry when doing the Audyssey because it can't detect my main speakers, Energy RC-10's, I have tried the supplied mic and a Sherwood mic with same results. I have unplugged and cut off every thing with the same results, I live in the country with no noise. It's driving me bananas.

Hi Russ,

I was hoping Chris from Audyssey would chime in. I'm not sure he's watching this thread any more.....

Only use the mic that came with your 805. It is calibrated for your unit and mics from other models will not give accurate results.

Is it both front speakers? Do you have them bi-amped? Do you hear the chirps?
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Is there a way to check the firmware version and update it!?

Not sure how you do it with your AVR. Maybe post a new thread so someone with your model AVR can chime in.
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A few pages back I recounted my problems with using Audyssey set-up with my Martin Logans and Denon received used as a pre-pro. I have since been running my own manual programme based on the Audyssey settings without the screaming treble that it programmed in.
I recently decided to have another go. The only alterations I made was to reposition my main L&R a few inches closer and, I think more importantly, to position the mike 12 inches either side of the main listening position for positions 2&3,then 12 inches in front for 4,5&6, and 6 inches either side of 1 for 7&8. Hey , presto-MAGIC.
I got seperate readings for each of the front 3 speakers which I never got before. There is a pleasing mid-treble lift but no screaming highs. Everything is much more focused. Old three channel Living Stereo SACD's now have a seemless soundstage. Bass is tighter. Really happy with the improvement.
Hope this set-up will help others who have encountered similar setup problems.
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Chris,

This thread could not have occurred at a better time for me as I am an old school 1970's stereo guy who used speaker placement and Bass and Treble settings to control my sound stage. I had just purchased an Integra DTR 6.8and a B&W M1 and AS2 sub system to go with my 52" Sony. I was confused as to what crossovers to set the speakers at as the information from B&W wasn't very specific. After much playing I found the Audyssey MultiEQ XT based on 7 measurements came up with 100 HZ for the front R&L and R&L surrounds, 110 HZ for the center, and 120 HZ for the Sub. Just to understand what is happening does this mean that for the M1's the Intergra is only sending them frequency's 100 HZ and above, and is sending the sub frequency's of 120HZ and below. This seams to produce about the best over all sound for this system and it was also pretty much where I ended up after much manual tinkering on my own. I have to say that this B&W combination with the Integra produces a bright but clear sound stage for music and very understandable speech for Video viewing. I also have to comment that the distances Audyssey calculated are within inches of my tape measure. Pretty amazing stuff from a couple of beeps.

I do have a question the Integra is THX certified and the B&W's are not. The Integra does have a THX cross over setting of 80 HZ for all speakers including the sub. I always felt that the sub should mingle up just a bit higher than the small speakers as Audgssey had calculated for my system. I wonder why THX would not do the same thing? I have tried this 80 HZ THX setting manually but I didn't notice much difference, perhaps less bright sounding, but I do have old Viet Nam vet ears.
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Chris,

This thread could not have occurred at a better time for me as I am an old school 1970's stereo guy who used speaker placement and Bass and Treble settings to control my sound stage. I had just purchased an Integra DTR 6.8and a B&W M1 and AS2 sub system to go with my 52" Sony. I was confused as to what crossovers to set the speakers at as the information from B&W wasn't very specific. After much playing I found the Audyssey MultiEQ XT based on 7 measurements came up with 100 HZ for the front R&L and R&L surrounds, 110 HZ for the center, and 120 HZ for the Sub. Just to understand what is happening does this mean that for the M1's the Intergra is only sending them frequency's 100 HZ and above, and is sending the sub frequency's of 120HZ and below. This seams to produce about the best over all sound for this system and it was also pretty much where I ended up after much manual tinkering on my own. I have to say that this B&W combination with the Integra produces a bright but clear sound stage for music and very understandable speech for Video viewing. I also have to comment that the distances Audyssey calculated are within inches of my tape measure. Pretty amazing stuff from a couple of beeps.

I do have a question the Integra is THX certified and the B&W's are not. The Integra does have a THX cross over setting of 80 HZ for all speakers including the sub. I always felt that the sub should mingle up just a bit higher than the small speakers as Audgssey had calculated for my system. I wonder why THX would not do the same thing? I have tried this 80 HZ THX setting manually but I didn't notice much difference, perhaps less bright sounding, but I do have old Viet Nam vet ears.

Hi Bill,

MultEQ finds the –3 dB rolloff point of the speakers as measured in the room. Then it's up to the manufacturer to decide what to do with that. Most have now converged (after much pestering from us) to using 40 Hz as the determination of Large (Full Range) vs Small.

The 80 Hz THX recommendation is for when you have THX speakers. They are designed to roll-off at 80 Hz and assume that a THX subwoofer is present so they can blend well together. But all this was done by Tom Holman (my colleague at the University and co-founder of Audyssey) when he started the THX program in the 80s. At that time there was no room measurement available and what Tom did was the best one could do at the time. Today, Tom will be the first to tell you that in-room measurement is the way to go. It will tell you what the speakers are doing in your room and not based on their theoretical spec.

I'm happy to hear that the system sounds good.

____________
Chris

Chris Kyriakakis
Founder and CTO, Audyssey

Audyssey Blog: Small vs. Large
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I've run Audyssey on my denon 1909 and the results were very pleasing. The only issue is that my sub is a bit too low (rumbling) so I was hoping to adjust it a bit. Before I started the calibration i made sure to set the frequency all the way to the highest and the level a little more than 1/4 up. I know the directions sasid 1/2 way but I also know how my wife dislikes the walls shaking so I put it somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2.

Exactly where do I go to tweak it a bit? Or should i lower it more and re-run Audyssey?

Another thing I would like to do is bring up the vocals/voices a bit. Is that just a center channel adjustment?

Lastly, something I noticed after I did the calibration. I had been running the denon for about 2 weeks just straight out of the box. I hadn't touched any "sound modes" or settings other than configuring my hdmi inputs. After I ran audyssey I noticed my receiver was in "night" mode. Did Audyssey do this or is this a setting on the remote? I switched it to "day" but didn't get a chance to hear if anything changed. what exactly does it do?
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Chris,

I am new (Just registered) however I have been reading this conversations from the start. First off let me commend you for demonstrating great patience with questions. Many that were previously answered. I am sure you will tire of this eventually. So my point.

I have read all there is to read on your web site for the Audyssey MultEQ. With the forum owners permission, may I suggest you cut and paste many of the technical setup questions from here and add them to the Audyssey FAQ site. A wealth of information about your product and how users can gain the maximum from it is contained in this thread.

Finally, thanks for helping out the layman figure this all out. Greatly appreciated and my System is rocking like never before.

Regards,
Adamg
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Hi everyone,

I've been lurking in these forums for a couple of weeks after getting a Onkyo 606. I'm at my wits end with a problem regarding the Audyssey setup.

After running the automatic setup as instructed (and using the tips I've found in these forums), my center speaker has a definite low volume, static-like hiss coming from it. I am running a 5.1 setup with the sources being both my DirecTV HD DVR (via HDMI) receiver as well as my Xbox 360 via HDMI.

In an attempt to resolve this problem, I have purchased a new center speaker (a different brand than my 10 year old Kenwoods), and I have rewired new speaker cables. Both sets of cables and both speakers give me the same hissing problem. Turning off the Audyssey EQ setting gets rid of the hiss, but also gets rids of the rich sound I have noticed when I have the Audyssey EQ turned on.

The hiss is really noticeable on many of DirecTV channels, but not all of them.

When I turn on my Xbox 360 and load up Rock Band 2 (Dolby Digital active), I've entered the Rock Band store and previewed several songs, which pumps it out through the center speaker. These sound terrible - like a tinny clock radio, filled with fuzz.

I do not notice the hissing problems from any of the other speakers. I have run the Audyssey setup many times over the past couple of weeks, trying to figure out how to get rid of the hiss.

Any ideas on what else I can try?
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Hi everyone,

I've been lurking in these forums for a couple of weeks after getting a Onkyo 606. I'm at my wits end with a problem regarding the Audyssey setup.

After running the automatic setup as instructed (and using the tips I've found in these forums), my center speaker has a definite low volume, static-like hiss coming from it. I am running a 5.1 setup with the sources being both my DirecTV HD DVR (via HDMI) receiver as well as my Xbox 360 via HDMI.

I have purchased a new center speaker (a different brand than my 10 year old Kenwoods), and I have rewired new speaker cables. Both sets of cables and both speakers give me the same hissing problem. Turning off the Audyssey EQ setting gets rid of the hiss, but also gets rids of the rich sound I have noticed when I have the Audyssey EQ turned on.

The hiss is really noticable on many of DirecTV channels, but not all of them.

When I turn on my Xbox 360 and load up Rock Band 2 (Dolby Digital active), I've entered the Rock Band store and previewed several songs, which pumps it out through the center speaker. These sound terrible - like a tinny clock radio, filled with fuzz.

I do not notice the hissing problems from any of the other speakers. I have run the Audyssey setup many times over the past couple of weeks, trying to figure out how to get rid of the hiss.

Any ideas on what else I can try?
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