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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

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I want to make a clone of my HD to another HD so that I can swap out HDs in my MBP and begin using it as if it were the same HD I just swapped out, but with more space. Will SuperDuper allow me to do this? What setting is it that does this? Thanks!

Yes. Select your source drive and your target drive and select Backup all files. You can click on the Options button to see the various options available but the "Erase and copy" option will be the only one available unless you've paid for a software license.
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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

Thanks Michael. What worries me about this is that before I upgraded to Leopard, I did exactly that with my 10.4.10 HD (to an external FW HD). When I did a "Get Info" on both drives right after the "copy all files" there was like a 3GB difference between the external and my Mac HD. Shouldn't they be a lot closer than that? I understand they say some unique system files don't get copied over, but 3GB worth of it? Thanks!
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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

There a number of reasons why the sizes could be different, although 3GB seems a bit much. In any case, SuperDuper creates a running detailed log that you can check under the Window menu in order to see exactly what is and isn't being copied.
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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

Michael is exactly right about how SuperDuper differs from TimeMachine. I'll add a few more comments that I ignorantly left out earlier.

Time Machine creates rolling backups of your data. It provides both a backup of your data and an easy way to recover files. If your hard drive crashes, you can recover from your TM backup. Two limitations are 1) backup is not bootable. You reinstall Leopard then recover from the TM backup. 2) The rolling backup process aggregates short-term steps as they "age". Hourly backups are aggreated into dailies; daily to weekly, and weekly to monthly. You don't have uinchanging snapshots, which is the conventional view of a backup system.

A program like SuperDuper! creates snapshots of whatever you backup. And you can create a bootable copy for immediate recovery. The limitations are 1) less frequent snapshots (daily or weekly versus TM's hourly 2) Less easy (I think) to recover individual files 3) $28 cost.

My opinion is that people will benefit more from TM's ability to immediately (and with panache) recover older files than they will from having a bootable backup. Most people don't need a bootable backup.

And this is why a really conservative person will have both TM and SuperDuper. Best of all features with no trade offs, except cost to have more storage space.

I think TM is great and think every Leopard user should turn it on without question. But I need to see how the long-term backup aggregation works to decide if I also want SuperDuper to complement it.
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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

Well, thanks to some gentle arm twisting by this group, I now
have two hard drives dedicated to my Mac.

I did a full backup using SuperDuper on my first drive.

The second I am using for Time Machine. The only concern I have
is that I have to leave the hard drive running constantly. Is it okay
to leave a powered external drive running day after day? Doesn't
it deteriorate the lifespan of the unit?
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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

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The second I am using for Time Machine. The only concern I have
is that I have to leave the hard drive running constantly. Is it okay
to leave a powered external drive running day after day? Doesn't
it deteriorate the lifespan of the unit?
It's not apparent why that would be. People leave computers powered all day, thus leave their internal hard-drives powered long-term with no deterioration of the unit. Also, my wife's new Seagate external sleeps when her Mac sleeps. My drive, an internal drive plugged into a generic external case, seems to have its fan on always but only run the drive for actual disk activity.

So, if you're going to have troubles, at least you'll have a lot of company when all of us external-drive owners also suffer similarly
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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
Well, thanks to some gentle arm twisting by this group, I now
have two hard drives dedicated to my Mac.

I did a full backup using SuperDuper on my first drive.

The second I am using for Time Machine.
If your external drive was large enough (maybe 160GB or larger) you didn't actually need a second external drive. You could have just split it into two volumes (partitions) using one volume for time machine and the other for Superduper.
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The only concern I have is that I have to leave the hard drive running constantly. Is it okay to leave a powered external drive running day after day? Doesn't it deteriorate the lifespan of the unit?
Most external drives nowadays sleep after a few minutes of inactivity reducing wear.

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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

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Dave,

I have to pick just one method of backup.

I have one external drive available and just need one program
that will back up easily and restore my computer after most any
catastrophe.

Time Machine? Carbon Copy Cloner? Super Duper?

Pick one. I'll use it.
Well, here's my opinion of backups at this time. Given you want to do it just before an Erase and Install of Leopard.

My first choice would be to use Disk Utility (DU). By using DU I would feel more confident everything is copied right since no programs or system files (the OS) are running when creating a cloned startup backup.


1. Put in Leopard disk and restart holding down the C key during startup to boot from the disk.

2. Once it's started choose Disk Utility on the menu bar. Hilight your the drive you want to clone (source drive/volume), click the Restore tab.

3. Drag the source drive/volume to the source field, drag the drive/volume to make a clone on to the destination field and check "Erase Destination" (make sure nothings on the destination drive/volume you need to keep.

4. Click Restore.

After it's done you'll have an external bootable clone, then you can test it. If it works commence to do an erase and install of Leopard.

My second choice (at this current time) is a tie between Superduper and CCC. As long as you restart holding the Shift key down to boot into safe mode having minimal processes running as possible (recommended in SD's help). It seems SD can backup Leopard okay but not compatible to smart update. CCC is suppose to be fully compatible, I'm just not sure now compatable since the latest released was before Leopard was released. Once SD is fully compatible I'd choose SD before CCC (I just feel more comfortable with SD).

My third choice would be Time Machine. Not bootable.

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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

Daryl (et al.)

Does that Disk Utility method work if one wants to replace a HD inside a Macbook Pro?

For example, can I boot up using Leopard CD, clone that to an external drive, make sure the external drive is bootable, then replace the Macbook Pro HD with the new one, boot up from the Leopard CD, choose the external drive and clone it to the blank internal HD on the Macbook Pro and have it copy everything from the old internal HD to the new one?

I'm hoping the next time I fire up the MBP with the now-cloned internal HD it will boot up as it did before the HD swap?

Thanks!

PS - I'm using this route because I don't have a firewire 2.5" SATA external HD to clone from one internal laptop HD to the one, hence why I'm using an external HD to clone to, then back (it's a 3.5" external HD).
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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

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Daryl (et al.)

Does that Disk Utility method work if one wants to replace a HD inside a Macbook Pro?

For example, can I boot up using Leopard CD, clone that to an external drive, make sure the external drive is bootable, then replace the Macbook Pro HD with the new one, boot up from the Leopard CD, choose the external drive and clone it to the blank internal HD on the Macbook Pro and have it copy everything from the old internal HD to the new one?

I'm hoping the next time I fire up the MBP with the now-cloned internal HD it will boot up as it did before the HD swap?

Thanks!

PS - I'm using this route because I don't have a firewire 2.5" SATA external HD to clone from one internal laptop HD to the one, hence why I'm using an external HD to clone to, then back (it's a 3.5" external HD).
I believe that should work just fine.

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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

Playing around with TIME MACHINE.....

I have several days backed up and I can scroll through the
different desktops.

However.....

The RESTORE function is grayed out. If I had to, how can I
select RESTORE?
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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

I think you first select a specific file or files to restore. Then you can click the Restore button.
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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

Man, am I glad Apple is giving back list view from the dock in 10.5.2 - DUH!! That's Right Apple, the flashy thingy wears thin.

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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

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Man, am I glad Apple is giving back list view from the dock in 10.5.2 - DUH!!
That's news to me -- can you give us a link to read up on it?
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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

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That's news to me -- can you give us a link to read up on it?

Here's 1 - OS X 10.5.2 to Pack Stacks List View Option | World of Apple

There are a few more if you search

For the moment I have my bottom 2 buttons (expert mouse) doing the command click, but it will be nice to get back to this very basic navigating move. It's still there with a key/mouse combo, but new users would never see it until they dig into key command options (most would not)

Stacks is not a feature IMO, it's a silly GPU entertainment. I need to get at my files, not watch some oversized icons draw. Cover Flow any one? Very Cute.
I'm not alone - many pro app users I know are bailing out of 10.5 and going back to 10.4. The dock thing is 1 of many reasons. 2 guys who use Logic for a living are reporting a big hit in speed. They have no time for the GPU choke in Leo.

I don't work in audio or film so I'll stick it out for now.
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Leopard vs. Tiger performance on a G4

I have two Leopard installs on Intel machines, and am very happy with the performance.

On my 1.67Ghz, 1 gig RAM, PowerBook G4 however, it seemed noticeably more sluggish than Tiger. Most frequently used apps: Safari (with lots of open windows) and Mail, usually running on battery power, talking to an Airport Extreme connected to fairly slow DSL. I tried upgrading to the Ram to 1.5 gigs, and that didn't have an effect.

Is anyone running Leopard on a similar machine -- especially any kind of PowerBook, and would care to share their experience?

The reason I am using the past tense is because I've been having all sorts of hardware problems with this machine, and AppleCare recently swapped, the logic board (for the 3rd time), the RAM (I had reverted to the original 1gig before having it serviced) and they wiped the hard drive, reverting to Tiger (which I found bizarre, because the work order clearly said it was loaded with 10.5.1). Anyway, I haven't re-installed Leopard because Tiger just IS faster now that I'm back on it.

I would love to go back to Leopard though, because I desperately miss the Screen Sharing & remote disk mounting features...
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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

Ted
You are not alone. Many people with pre intel books are having problems with Leo. You obviously have hardware issues, but I'd stick with 10.4 and wait for 10.5.2 and read up on the release first.
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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

Upgrading my wife's machine today, an Mac Al Tower with Dual-G5. So far, so good. Leopard is on. iLife 08 is installing. And then Adobe CS3.
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Dave - I'd be very interested in hearing about CS3 performance pre and post Leo. Assuming you use it enough to feel the difference one way or another.
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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

Finally decided to go out an get Leopard. Hopefully things should have settled down by now.

I decided to do a clean "erase and install" option. Everything looks to have gone Ok, and software update is now downloading a massive 10.5.2 patch update.

I can't seem to find iLife 08 though? Do I have to install this separately, if so from where? Thanks.
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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

Darren,

I am almost certain that you don't get iLife included with
Leopard unless you purchase a new computer.
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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

Came with new iMac.
Copied iDVD app across to G5 tower, but 7.0 themes are missing.
Anyone know how to get the new themes across as well?

Thanks
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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

Having done a bit of reading around, it does look like iLife only comes with a new Mac as a bundle and not as part of the OS-X retail package. I did have iLife 08 preinstalled when I got my new iMac with Tiger last October but there didn't appear to be a separate backup install disc for it (unlike iWork 08 which I also bought with my new iMac)

The retail Leopard disc I bought today doesn't have iLife bundled with it.

I did however find the iLife 08 applications on the Tiger discs that came with my iMac. I hadn't thought to look on there as I had assumed that those discs were just for restoring Tiger.

As well as the icon to install Tiger, there's another icon to install the bundled software. If you do this, and then choose to do a custom install, you can select which bundled apps to install or not (eg install iMovie 08, but not the Office 2004 trial etc).

I would have thought it would have been simpler if they'd just included an iLife restore disc separately to the main OS restore discs when you buy your Mac.

Bottom line is that if you bought a Mac with Tiger (and iLife 08 preinstalled) and you then buy Leopard retail, make sure you keep your old Tiger restore discs so that you can reinstall iLife 08 if you do a clean Leopard install.

Other than that, I'm really liking Leopard so far. Samba network shares from my Linux file store machine are certainly much slicker in Leopard than they were in Tiger and the other things like Time Machine are pretty cool.
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Re: Official Mac OS X Leopard Installation & Discussion Thread

is there a way to re install i chat. i think i messed something up when i first started it.
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is there a way to re install i chat. i think i messed something up when i first started it.


probably the easiest way is to do an archive & install.  make sure you keep the option to "preserve user and network settings".

 

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