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Re: Pushing Daisies Season premiere 10/03/07

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I'm also a little worried about whether or not TV directors will be able to work within the style Bryan Fuller and Barry Sonnenfeld established for the pilot. Clearly, a lot of time went into making this, and I'm not sure it's possible to maintain on a weekly schedule.

Well, we won't know until the third episode as the second episode Dummy is again directed by Barry Sonnenfeld.

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Re: Pushing Daisies Season premiere 10/03/07

The one thing about this show is that it's different from the standard crime scene, investigation then crime solving shows. Very original and I like it. Some good humor, loved the line when the woman went to pinch his cheek and she died, and his partners comment, you couldn't have scooted back a little bit was rich. I'm hooked, the wife thinks that it's a little dark and I'm glad the kids are in bed, because when they caught the opening when he was a kid and touching everything that was dead was coming back to life, they grasped it immediately and was kind of intrigued. I forced them to bed to avoid the nightmares (5 and 6), anyhoot a really good show, which means for me Mondays and Wednesdays are a lock for me.

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Re: Pushing Daisies Season premiere 10/03/07

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Audiences typically end up liking shows with "less" structure that have more generalized setups -- the CSIs and Law & Orders of the world.

I think you have it backwards. The CSIs and L&Os have templates they never deviate from, whereas shows like this (Wonderfalls and Dead Like Me being the obvious examples, though also things like Angel) are usually free-form. Some episodes will have the mission as the central storyline, while others will focus on personal interactions with the task at hand relegated to a B-story. You'll never see an episode of L&O about Sam Waterson harassing his assistant while the case they're working on takes a back seat.
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Re: Pushing Daisies Season premiere 10/03/07

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Anna Friel reminded me of a young Barbara Hershey and yes she was pretty cute.

I have a question, did Ned's mother drop dead because Ned neglected to re-kill the fly within a minute? If she died because of a fly than that's pretty damn funny, sad but funny lol.

I just rewatched that scene and it does seem that she was killed off because he didn't re-kill the fly. The narrator says right when he reanimates the fly " The terms of use weren't immediately clear, nor were they of immediate concern" 'Then the mom drops dead of a burst blood vessel.

So yeah... I think she died because of that.

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Re: Pushing Daisies Season premiere 10/03/07

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I think you have it backwards. The CSIs and L&Os have templates they never deviate from, whereas shows like this (Wonderfalls and Dead Like Me being the obvious examples, though also things like Angel) are usually free-form. Some episodes will have the mission as the central storyline, while others will focus on personal interactions with the task at hand relegated to a B-story. You'll never see an episode of L&O about Sam Waterson harassing his assistant while the case they're working on takes a back seat.

What I am saying (and perhaps I worded it wrong) is that "Pushing Daisies" is a "gimmick" show like "My Name is Earl" and "Chuck".

They are very "defined" in what they do. "Pushing Daisies" would have been different if it'd been "grounded" in the real world relatively speaking (like "The Dead Zone").

Instead, it is a fairy tale where things are named redundantly like "Boutique Travel Travel Boutique" and it tries to be like a Tim Burton movie or a Lemony Snicket novel.

But the show is only successful as long as people think the gimmick is "cute" -- and that might be asking a lot of viewers.

Am I making sense or not?

What I am saying is that a show like this asks audiences to "willfully suspend their disbelief" more than say an average crime or medical show.

If you had a guy in modern-day New York who learned at a young age he could touch dead people and bring them back to life (but with consequences) and it effected his relationships in life, it'd be a more "accessible" show with a more "general" setup.

"Heroes" is a comic book show with fantasy elements, but it tries to "feel" grounded in the world we know (same for "Lost").

The cutesy fairy tale aspects make "Pushing Daisies" more of a "gimmick" and less accessible (with less room for the show to expand).

You're asking a lot of an average viewer.

They like fantasy, but this tries to be a children's book with grisly murders. Any time the writers hit a snag, they can merely pull out the Danny Elfman-esque music and explain it all away with some sort of new fantasy element.

I like it, but don't expect it to catch on big with average viewers.
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I think more people will take to this show over the stuff that is on now or has been on in the past. I think more and more people are finding the quirky type shows more intriguing than the same run of the mill detective crime shows that they air 24/7.

I loved it. I've been telling all my friends and family to watch it. I think we need more shows like this one. Television now a days is so over saturated with crap that shows like this make me want to actually WATCH tv.

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This is the kind of show that people are going to loathe or love. I loved it and hopefully it lasts (but I don't have that much faith in the general viewing audience).

I think Lucia is right the fly wasn't re-killed in time and then flew away. Someone need to take its place and that was Ned's mom. Then Ned revived his mom and after the minute elapsed someone had to take her place and the was Chuck's dad. Later that night when Ned was going to bed his mom kissed him goodnight which counts as a Ned touch and she died again.

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I think it was nailed above. I think this will be a show that will be very, very difficult to maintain forward momentum. This is the kind of show that I'm struggling to think of how they will do 10 episodes of and stay cute before they have to start changing significant rules (Oh! Now he can touch these people or this).

Don't speak ill, I really enjoyed it more thinking about it the next day. But this is a show that seems like it would have been great as a mini-series or movie event. But I have a feeling that the writing on this, just because of the premise, will quickly paint itself into a corner.
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Re: Pushing Daisies Season premiere 10/03/07

According to Zap2it, Pushing Daisies scored an 8.3/14 for ABC last night, which was more than enough to win the 8 p.m. hour. Its closest competitor, Deal or No Deal, had a 7.1/12. So, at least early reports for Pushing Daisies look promising.

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Re: Pushing Daisies Season premiere 10/03/07

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According to Zap2it, Pushing Daisies scored an 8.3/14 for ABC last night, which was more than enough to win the 8 p.m. hour. Its closest competitor, Deal or No Deal, had a 7.1/12. So, at least initial reports for Pushing daisies look promising.
It's all about the second episode to see if viewers will come back.

By the way, what was up with that scene at Ned's apartment where the waitress girl looked like a midget? I know she's very petite to begin with, but in that particular scene she looked about 4 feet tall standing next to Ned. In a later scene standing next to Chuck she looked about the same height as her (maybe a bit shorter).
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So to summarize: you all loved the show, but have no faith that it will last, and you don't believe the "general audience" will like it, even though you are the general audience?

I have yet to talk to one person who didn't like it.

As for the faith thing, I have to believe the writers are clever enough to keep our interest week after week. We haven't seen the story bible, nor were we invited to the original pitch meeting. I don't think this is a concept that will burn itself out very soon. Anyway, if shows burning out was an issue in television, then "Survivor" and "The Bachelor" would have been cancelled 5 years ago.
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Re: Pushing Daisies Season premiere 10/03/07

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I have a question, did Ned's mother drop dead because Ned neglected to re-kill the fly within a minute? If she died because of a fly than that's pretty damn funny, sad but funny lol.

That's really sad. She died for something that died again three days later. Wait. No. That's now an eternal fly, as long as it doesn't touch Ned again, if Digby's non-aging is any indication. I wonder who died for Digby.

Jonny, I can see what you're saying, but the show would have limited appeal to me if it was played for serious. It'd just be CSI with a "bring 'em back to life" gimmick. I'd rather them do something original like this, if the budget and creative juices allow the show to continue as it is. I don't think Fuller ever lost the creative spark on Dead Like Me, so it's not an impossibility.
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So to summarize: you all loved the show, but have no faith that it will last, and you don't believe the "general audience" will like it, even though you are the general audience?

People who post to Internet message boards about TV shows are not representative of the general audience.

Those of us who doubt the show's longevity are speaking from prior experience with similarly quirky shows that were canceled after a handful of episodes, including one of Bryan Fuller's previous series, Wonderfalls.
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Re: Pushing Daisies Season premiere 10/03/07

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People who post to Internet message boards about TV shows are not representative of the general audience.

Those of us who doubt the show's longevity are speaking from prior experience with similarly quirky shows that were canceled after a handful of episodes, including one of Bryan Fuller's previous series, Wonderfalls.

I disagree. I believe that the opinions of internet posters are generally indicative of the public at large. I do not believe our opinions to be elitist in that context. We are generally well-informed, well-researched and well-spoken, but what we say is what everyone is pretty much saying or thinking.

I also believe that "Daisies" has had far more press and positive media coverage than did "Wonderfalls." My armchair assessment of "Wonderfalls" coverage is that Fox did their best to emphasize the shows' quirkiness and weirdness. In "Daisies" case, ABC seems to be promoting the show's heart, kindness and fine performances over the bizarre subject matter. They are promoting it as an extremely likeable show, and that will probably help it thru in the long run.
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I haven't taken to a new show like this one in a long time. I have only found a few shows, over the past few years, that I have taken to on the first episode like this. Heroes was one and Eureka the other. I hope it stays around for several seasons.

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Re: Pushing Daisies Season premiere 10/03/07

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People who post to Internet message boards about TV shows are not representative of the general audience.

Those of us who doubt the show's longevity are speaking from prior experience with similarly quirky shows that were canceled after a handful of episodes, including one of Bryan Fuller's previous series, Wonderfalls.
Knights of Columbus was one of them I thought. Good show but didn't keep the general viewing population's interest. I think Pushing Daisies might be able to capture a specific audience on one of the premium channels like HBO or Showtime especially if you add some gore like dismembered limbs or bodies ravaged, probably would last a pretty long time. I like the show, hopes it stays but I have to admit it's a little off beat for the average viewer.

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Re: Pushing Daisies Season premiere 10/03/07

I guess they couldn't cast Jake Gyllenhaal and Zooey Deschanel for the leads?

I guess the geek in me wants some rules to what he can touch and what happens. Like, he touches the fruit to revive it. Who pays for that? And why isn't the dog still a puppy if it has eternal life? And if the strawberry regenerates to his touch, why didn't the guy's face start growing back (the one who got mauled by a dog)?

Skating on the edge of too whimiscal for me. I think the narrator is a bit over the top as is the music.

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Re: Pushing Daisies Season premiere 10/03/07

I thought "the girl named Chuck" was a dead ringer for Zooey Deschanel (it would've been wonderful if they could've gotten her).

Everyone I know really thought "Pushing Daisies" was cute and fun. As a show, it is sort of like a nice, fluffy meringue.

I just have little faith in the viewing audience.

On NBC, you have the wonderful show "30 Rock" that no one watches. It is clever, smart and probably the best sitcom to air since "Seinfeld" (in my opinion).

And I do wonder how they'll be able to sustain it. This felt like a wonderful premise for a movie -- but it'll be interesting to see where they go from here.

I'll continue to TiVo the show and watch it because it is a lot of fun.
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Re: Pushing Daisies Season premiere 10/03/07

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People who post to Internet message boards about TV shows are not representative of the general audience.
I disagree. I believe that the opinions of internet posters are generally indicative of the public at large. I do not believe our opinions to be elitist in that context. We are generally well-informed, well-researched and well-spoken, but what we say is what everyone is pretty much saying or thinking.
I'd have to agree with Sean on this one, at least if we're talking about HTF. Perhaps the internet as whole is more indicative of the general public, but the posters on HTF certainly are far from it. Just look at the posts/views on threads for shows like CSI, compared to Jericho (which got no ratings).
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I disagree. I believe that the opinions of internet posters are generally indicative of the public at large. I do not believe our opinions to be elitist in that context. We are generally well-informed, well-researched and well-spoken, but what we say is what everyone is pretty much saying or thinking.
I disagree, in part because I've seen too many shows with a big internet following absolutely flop in the general population, while shows that are clearly very popular (police procedurals, for instance), don't get much time on the web, despite having a lot of people watching them.

People talking about something on the internet are a self-selected group, and still tend to skew male and more toward fantasy/sf fandom than the public at large. It makes for enjoyable conversation, but terrible statistics.

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I don't think this is a concept that will burn itself out very soon.
I hope not, but 22 episodes a year for five years (a frequent definition of "success" where TV shows are concerned) is a lot of television. And it's not even that the concept itself is limited; pretty much any concept is unlimited but the people writing it are only human, and this seems like a series that asks a lot from its writers. I saw Darin Morgan's name in the opening credits, and he seems like a good fit (although he isn't exactly prolific). Plus, not every episode is going to be directed by Barry Sonnenfeld, and this is a show where the difference between a director who really gets the material and a guy who is just picking up a paycheck could be huge.

So, yeah, I worry a bit about it. But most of the shows I like are high-risk/high-reward, and even if this does go off the rails by the end of the season, it won't hurt the great pilot retroactively.
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I wonder who died for Digby.

A squirrel did if I remember right, they showed a squirrel falling out of tree.
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I disagree, in part because I've seen too many shows with a big internet following absolutely flop in the general population, while shows that are clearly very popular (police procedurals, for instance), don't get much time on the web, despite having a lot of people watching them.

Example: Clerks: The Animated Series.

Well followed thread here, lots of websites and internet following and.. nothing.

The bad thing is, and the internet is to blame for this too.. shows widely addressed on the internet are often available on the net, sans commercials and thus, sans ratings..
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The pilot err pie-lette repeats tomorrow night for those who missed it (like me).
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I'm wondering what Ron thought of this.
I'm sure he loved it.
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That was actually incredible. I didn't like what I saw of Wonderfalls, but loved what I saw of Dead Like Me, so I wasn't sure which way this one would go.
The pilot is structurally very similiar to the "Dead Like Me" pilot. The problem for me is that it didn't compare favorably. When Jim Dale started his narration, the tone and rythym was so similiar that I could actually hear George saying the words. And unlike George, whose narration pulled the viewer squarely inside her head, Jim Dale's fairy tale narration kept me at arm's length. All of the fanciful touches — the hill of daisies, the overdesigned Series of Unforunate Events-esque sets, the overzealous but meticulous camerawork — pushed me away even while I appreciated them and smiled. The Pie Hole is Der Waffle House without the camradery. Chuck's story encompassed George's story in brief, except Chuck was as responsible as George was irresponsible. As for Ned, I understood why he was the way he was, but felt like Kristin Chenoweth's character: left out in the cold.

And yet.

The writing is as unmistakably Bryan Fuller as it gets. Even while I was disappointed that it took the wrong fork at several key junctures, there's no question that he's the only one writing like that today. The characters are interesting, the pace is energetic to say the least, and the chemistry between Ned and Chuck could ignite a match. The aching, irresolvable need between them was passionately, exsquisitely captured.

So I'll be back next week. But I know it will be a torturous, frustrating experience.
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Very much so. The difference was that Big Fish presented Ed Bloom through Ed Bloom's voice. I think making Chuck or Ned the narrator would have gone a long way to bring me into the fold, well worth the loss of some of the fairy tale mystique.
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Well, we won't know until the third episode as the second episode Dummy is again directed by Barry Sonnenfeld.
I'm pretty sure Sonnenfield got fired halfway through filming the second episode, when the shoot was running long and overbudget. Apparently things have been patched up between the two sides since.
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Ah, yes. Sonnenfeld...the man who brought you "Wild Wild West." If I were producer, I'd keep him on a short lease too.

But anyway, the only thing that would piss me off about this show in the long run is if the narrator keeps referring to him as "The Pie Maker" forever and ever. That annoyed the crap out of me, now that I think about it.

Btw, is this Jim Dale the same Jim Dale who played the bad guy in "Pete's Dragon?"
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To be fair, Sonnenfeld also did Get Shorty, the Addams Family and Men In Black movies, Big Trouble and the pilots to The Tick and Maximum Bob. Anyone can look bad when you cherry pick some of their worst work to identify them. I mean, Bryan Fuller wrote Star Trek: Voyager for a year or two.
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Btw, is this Jim Dale the same Jim Dale who played the bad guy in "Pete's Dragon?"
Yes. He's more famously known now as the voice of the American Harry Potter audiobooks.
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I'm wondering what Ron thought of this.
I'm sure he loved it.

Yeah I did!

Sorry I'm in here late. I had to finish watching
The War on my Tivo before I was able to check this out.

Everyone else pretty much referred to Tim Burton, and as soon
as I saw "The Pie Hole" that was exactly who I thought of. I am
a big fan of Burton, so you can imagine how comfortable this show
became for me.

Wonderfully narrated, brilliantly executed and unlike anything I have
seen on television before it.

The problem? I have to agree that the "gimmick" of this show is
going to wear out its welcome very fast if the storylines don't hold
up week after week. I mean, it's very difficult to imagine just what
they are going to do with this show. Will there be a continued
storyline or just odd little fables centered around these characters
week after week?

Another problem? Commercials every 5 minutes. TGFTivo!

...and was that Audrey from Little Shop of Horrors? Yeah, had to be her!

Right now, count me in as one who was highly entertained by this
show.

BTW, it looks SUPERB in high definition, though the opening romp
through the daisies field showed all sorts of picture noise due to
DirecTV compressing their HD signal. Can't wait till I hook up with
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To quote the Guinness commercials....Brilliant!!! Couldn't have loved this show more. I'm happy Ron piped in on Burton's side. I've loved most everything he's done and that similarity was a bonus for me in this show. Daisies was a last minute DVR pick for us and it immediatly went on an all episodes setting. I agree with the Big Fish comparison, at least in look and atmosphere. Imagine...a show with a real fairy tale feel, complete with the British narration in prime time and sliding in "bitch" and "masturbate".


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The cutesy fairy tale aspects make "Pushing Daisies" more of a "gimmick" and less accessible (with less room for the show to expand).

You're asking a lot of an average viewer.
While I'm sad to say you're probably right...it's a profoundly sad statement to the lack of imagination of the general populous. But the fairy tale aspects are exactly what opens the door for essentially anything to happen. This show is so completely different from anything else on TV. It isn't a crime show ala CSI-insert yet another city. It doesn't have to obey any rules except to be entertaining. The longevity could be questionable, but when you stop believing that TV viewers have even an ounce of creativity in their souls you get yet another so called reality show.

We dropped the Housewives because it had gotten outrageous for the sake of it. Daisies just took it's place.

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