Smallville - Season 7 thread

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Patrick -

That's good to know, and should be a really great build as I hope to get through Season 5 tomorrow. (ah, the power of commercial free 7/8th time viewing to suck down shows)

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I think we all have to remember there is a difference between what we the audience know and what the characters know. We're privy to every lie and "reason" given by Lex through the series. We know despite Lex promising to not investigate Clark, he continues to do so. We know the lie he put into motion with Lana in S6. We know he is intimately involved with 33.1. We know all these things as fact; Clark, Oliver, Lana and the others don't share their information and all they have is the piece of the puzzle they have.

Lex, I believe, honestly believes in what he's doing. The experiments he conducts in the dam at the end of S6 are done with the rationale America needs an army who can combat alien invaders. If he can make money off of them, so much the better. He so badly wants to be the hero, to escape his father's shadow and his reputation he's bought into the entire charade.

On the other hand, for the majority of the series, Clark has been outright lying to people, keeping secrets. Even though he lets some people in on that, they in turn have to keep lying for him. The secret is kept for a good reason, but people like Lana and Chloe don't necessarily know that early on. To them, he's just a liar. And to the cops, he's always involved in the bad stuff in Smallville.

The way Kryptonite affects him isn't his fault, yet he can't very well tell Lana "gee, it's red krypto and I get all funky" or "it's silver K". It's all part of the secret.

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I would suggest posting to the appropriate season 5 and season 6 threads after watching all the episodes from those seasons.

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Speaking of Jewish influences on the Superman character. The Vulcan salute was from what Rabbis do in a service. When Nimoy was a kid at temple. Their was a part of the service where the congregation turns around and the rabbi(s) would pray to the audience. He turned to look and saw them to the finger V which he used for Spock.

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Agreed... this comparison of Smallville's Luthor being more developed than those of the cinema is obvious for obvious reasons.

However, the "flip" as mentioned above is not unique to Smallville as it is derived from the Silver-Age Superboy series that explained the long rivalry of Superman and Lex. In it, Superboy and Lex Luthor were once good friends (not Clark and Lex).

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Kara is pretty creepy looking. Something is wrong with her nose, it gives her a kind of morbid skull look

So, more confusion about whether or not Jor El is a good guy or bad guy, though it's now pretty clear to me he's back to being the S1/2/3 bad guy. Does that make Kara the redemptive agent?

Now we know pretty much assuredly with the "we've taken over" lines, etc. that it was in fact the "US Department of Domestic Security" that was reaping the rewards of 33.1, Ares and other projects... and now they have the crystal, which we're unsure of what it will tell them. And, how far will the government go to protect Lex to prevent him from spilling the beans on their involvement?

The season sets up incredibly well for some great cloak & dagger between Lex trying to regain control of his empire and fight government turf wars over his projects, Clark having another voice to help figure out what really went on on Krypton.. what led to the civil war, etc. and Chloe still has to come to terms with her power (which seems like the worst power of all time... save someone by dying and then regenerating or something?)

Great start to the season, Lex finding Lana in China and seeking redemption and putting the power in her hands.. they continue to work on this show to make Lex redeemable.. love it.

The Clark not flying unless he's on RedK or other weird moments needs to end. It's becoming kind of ridiculous, enough so that even the dialog is poking fun at it weekly..

How did Lois leap in at the Planet and go straight to the top of the charts.. uh, did she ever really finish high school? Wasn't it just that Lex pulled some strings to get them to forget that she couldn't get through biology? And her over flighty-ness and tabloid journalism suddenly, with the introduction of a new character make her the star reporter... this is a story line that could have been a lot better if Lois had come to admire and follow Chloe's standard of practices and her methods.. here Chloe does all the school work, has that pleading case with Carrie Fischer on how she will work harder then anyone else, and Lois just leaps to the top with nothing.. and did Lois ever fix the fact that in Season 3 she was also almost illiterate, having admitted she barely read and had trouble writing without incredible spelling errors and poor grammar?


EDIT: One thing, though.. and maybe it's just from watching all the seasons in a smash of a hurry... does anyone else find it really creepy that Supergirl is "Kara" when the weird meteor freak from Season 3 who also proclaimed herself to be supergirl who also went by the name "Kara" ...

Almost makes you re-think some of those episodes...

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Yeah, actually.. it seems like they weren't sure they could get a contract with her done and so they gave it the either/or option. But the way this played out is kind of strange. I didn't take her for nearly that smart. More then that, how the heck did she get inside his top secret lab and steal a body without anyone noticing? Lex was having her followed all the time, you'd think it'd be hard to carry around a 5'6 cadaver clone without someone noticing as you left the secret lab.. Add to that the clearly visible camera in the alley, the time it would have taken her to unbag the body, dress it, get it inserted into the car and strapped in, and then who was the guy in the delivery van who also had to be involved in the conspiracy / coverup? Lots of questions on Lana's end.

I'm at a loss for how that will play all the way out. But could be interesting.

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Frankly, I think Kara is pretty hot. Though I didn't know they also pierced belly buttons on Krypton.

In the comics, Kara is Supergirl's name. I assume they used it in season 3 as a wink to the audience without knowing that they would actually bring the Supergirl character into season seven.

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Kara was pretty careless in showing off super-speed in front of Lana.

Not sure if I can handle the happy Clana couple, so I predict some bumps in their relationship road.

Lex finally finds his angel, but what will his suspicions bring onto the Kent Kousins?

Funny to see Chloe's reaction to Jimmy looking longingly at Kara.

The freaks of the week were practically an after-thought, but I like how Kara dealt with them, took no prisoners.

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Eh. Good looks through the whole thing, so at least the eye candy was good. Story line gets kind of a mixed bag.

Lex finds his Angel.. and the Kara and Clark find out there are more kryptonians on earth.. maybe there is something to this invasion scare Lex has in his head after all.

33.1 and other programs are now all the government.. the implication I had before that the government was aware was wrong.. but now they aren't just aware, they are in control.

Freaks of the week story was pretty minimum except to reveal their are other kryptonians.

I really dislike the quick transformation of Lana into super reporter..

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I'm usually able to forgive the show of a lot, and maybe I'm just missing something here and forgetting what happened at the end of last season, but did Lana ever tell Clark on camera that she now know's all about him, or are we left to assume that that conversation occurred during a commercial break?

Again, am I forgetting something from last season?

Otherwise, a pretty mediocre episode. I would have loved it if at the end, right after Lana says the "we can grow old together" line, for Clark to say, "Well, actually, no. And by the way- remember how we stopped having sex the last time we were a couple...?" Lightbulb lights above Lana's head and Clark continues: "Exactly."

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Dud of an episode. I like Smallville but not the lazy writing of episodes like this. Just a waste.

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Indeed, but I think that was the point. I would like it if there weren't speed bumps but it reached its natural conclusion anyway. Like they're just not the same people who fell in love. It sounds like the invasion already happened. Earlier seasons hinted at this with the caves and Smallville 1965. When they first unearthed the emblem, I thought it was Jor-El's from that episode.
I wonder if Earth has some cosmic significance that made it a convenient way station for the Kryptonians.

I did like the scene outside the coffee shop, though. It brought up and acknowledged the parallels to the pilot, complete with the angel symbolism. Lex was remarkably straight with Kara, though she had no idea how much weight was behind his ultimatum. One thing the conversation made clear: there's no way Lex isn't going to put Superman and Clark Kent together after this.
I also liked the scene because when Lex mentions that the two people who've saved his life were both Kents, it let Kara know that Clark's uptight self-restraint was the result of personal experience. I think you mean Lois. To be fair, she'd been working with the Inquisitor for a season or so. And from the sound of things, she's not climbing the rungs yet; she's still stuck with a basement desk despite the editor's overeagerness to promote her.
As for jumping from a tabloid to a broadsheet daily: Sad as it may seem, it's becoming harder and harder to tell the difference in a lot of markets. As circulation numbers continue to decline, the news has started to stray from what the public needs to know towards a focus on what the public is eager to pay for. Within the last year, for instance, the Boston Globe fired their entire foreign desk. This new editor is like the Bobs in "Office Space". He was brought in to shore up the bottom line, not run a quality publication.
I'm glad Chloe did the freak of the week story. From last week's episode, I thought they were going to have Chloe's career stall because she would be unwilling to pursue stories that could compromise Clark. The wedding episode. She didn't outright say that she knew what his abilities and origins were, but she made it pretty damn clear that she knew he wasn't human.
It wasn't an entire waste. The freak of the week subplot may have been a dud, but one thing this episode did was establish the new playing field. We know now where all of the key relationships stand.

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That was almost painful to watch. I thought for a second CW got the tapes mixed up and put America's Next Top Model on instead of Smallville. A rather pointless action plot redeemed only by Lana and Clark's reunion.

This one seemed like treading water until something big happens, like the reveal of the other Kryptonian or something. For all my criticism of Kara, she's growing on me little by little. And Clark is becoming increasingly irrelevant on the show, supplanted by the new Kara storyline and the other characters.

Good to see Jimmy back, wish it was Lois, though. One thing I don't get, though, and maybe I missed it previously: Lana was acting VERY strangely in the scene with Lex. Is it at all possible the real Lana got killed in the explosion and the clone is the one walking around now, controlled to some extent by Lex and/or the government?

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I almost suggested that earlier. I still can't buy that Lana is so smart that she could pull that off.. or have the physical strength. Hell, I'm unsure how she figured out she had a clone and was able to break into the lab to get it... or run off with $10M she embezzled?

They keep stacking these incredible feats on her that she performed and it's pretty hard to buy them all as real.

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All of that coupled with the fact there was no indication Lana EVER had a clone in the finale makes this seem like a story the writers are making up as they go along. Almost as if it was a threat to Kreuk: sign the contract or you stay dead! It just doesn't make any sense.

Lex had the dam monitored very closely (as we saw in the training a few episodes beforehand). Lana...small Lana...busted into the lab, stole the full sized clone, got back out of the lab with the clone, had the clone in the driver's seat, blew it up and jumped onto a post office truck? And took $10 million? Which brings to mind: didn't someone reach out their hand to Lana to help her into the moving truck? Who was that?

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Still too simple. Remember, not only did she break in, steal the clone, carry it away, put it in the car, but she also had the mind set to get it dressed in the exact same clothes she was wearing, position it in the car.. and, she had to setup the car bomb, and how she acquired that is also totally unknown.

She also had to figure out how to control the clone so that it wouldn't wake up or anything, since it was supposed to be super powered. Then again, I'm still amazed about the fake pregnancy.. I mean, I thought at one point early she was going to slip away to see about a termination.. but I guess she would have noticed the fact that the baby never moved or that she didn't gain weight (??) I know the hormones to mask the test, but all of the other signs would not change, outside of a rhythm change...

Her subplot just is so contrived, but it would have been a lot easier, honestly, if she were killed off.. or, in a sly wink if she would have BECOME really pregnant after she was diagnosed pregnant and then had Lex's love child.. *laugh*

I don't know, it just seems a long way to go from a girl who didn't go to college, barely made it out of high school, sluffed coffee for months to mastermind such a scheme.

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Chris...all of which is why I'm thinking (read: hoping) something/someone else is behind all this. It would make MUCH more sense if the alive Lana was a clone, the real Lana is dead and Lex was behind everything. Otherwise, it was all a waste...

One other thing: Clark now knows from Lana that Lionel blackmailed her into marrying Lex. Why is he not more worried about this? Lionel knows everything about Clark and is MIA right now. Shouldn't this at least raise one red flag?

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I thought it was an average episode.

But I did love how Kara's eyes started to light up and was about to use her heat vision when she first saw jimmy.

Also loved how Kara took action and saved both Jimmy and Clark.

I have a feeling Lex is going to find out about Clark(Clark=Superman) at the season finale, since
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I know the spoiler about Lana(read the official spoiler) trying to keep mouth zipped

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While I agree that the Lana story is abolutely ridiculous, I certainly do not want the plot to turn in this direction... a total rehash of the Spider-man plot done all those years ago with Gwen Stacy.

I enjoyed the episode as I find Supergirl super hot. I was almost tempted to put celophane across the TV screen when she came out in that bikini.

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This season, a lot of shows seem to be recording late on my DVR. I think I'm only missing seconds, but shows are usually in progress. This time, Clark and Kara were standing at the back of the truck unloading stuff, and Kara was saying something. Is this right about where the show started, or did I miss anything?

I like the Lex stuff in this ep. I get the feeling that Lex is at a turning point, and if Kara would accept his outreach, he'd maybe step back from the edge. She won't, of course. He has to be the villain. But, it's nice that they have brought back that "pull for Lex to not go bad" vibe.

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Yeah. Through the first 5 1/2 seasons, you could really buy Lex as the force of humanity in the show.. the guy who believed himself to be the last, best hope against invasion.. and then it went all bad as Lex the evil came out

But then they start off this season with implications of his continued work with the government which was behind his "evil" projects and then you get him saying he understood he was wrong, giving up on it all together and turning everything to the government, his forgiveness of Lana.. (if it is Lana).

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I agree. It is as if the writers threw the explanation in there in a couple of sentences and expected fans to believe it.
Sloooopy!

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Just put it in a spoiler tag or send me a PM.

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Any time you use the word "clone," believability starts to take a nosedive.

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But, you have no problem with an alien from another planet who is invulnerable, has heat vision, super strengh, super speed and if he would work on it...could fly???

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It's different. Everything goes to crap with clones. Look at Spider-Man. Now, I read the clone saga in its entirety, and I didn't hate it like most people, but it's certainly not a proud moment in the history of the character. Marvel doesn't even acknowledge the event any more, unless it's as the butt of a joke. I suppose a skilled writer could make something good of cloning, but it's rare to actually see something like that.

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I don't have a problem with that because he is precisely that: an alien. Someone not from the Earth. A being whose powers come from the yellow sun.

A lot of the continuity simply doesn't work for the Lana clone story, as already mentioned above. If you're going to do a clone, make it airtight and bulletproof. If not, no need to even try.

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Ugh! What a dog of an episode. This is the first dud of the season... "Miss Sweet Corn" indeed!

I can't believe the producers are serious about reuniting Clark and Lana Again! Talk about beating a dead horse!

So, now that Clark knows he can dispose of green Kryptonite with his heat vision, he should never be bothered by it again... Yeah... right...

Lastly, as cool as Clark's body-slam of Kara was in the season opener, her flying kick at the weather twin looked totally lame this time around.