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Bad news from Reuters. Tuesday was the last day for NBC to give Journeyman a full season option, and they didn't do it. Looks like the last two are truly the last two. ....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071212/tv_nm/journeyman_dc
The overnight ratings given in that article are brutal. Just goes to show how bad a lead-in Deal can be. At least we have the final two episodes.
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The remaining two original segments will air as scheduled, an NBC spokeswoman said.
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What an excellent show!

I'm remain impressed how JourneyMan has built on itself, becoming stronger with each episode. I started off ambivalent on JM, but now am solidly a fan. This week's episode was nearly perfect. The ratcheting of tension in Katie was so well done, and truly an organic development of her experience the past several shows.

I hope JM survives the strike and continues next season.
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After ABC pulling the plug on Big Shots, I worry a bit that NBC might do the same with Journeyman.
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Even if NBZC does not air the final 2, the show is available on Itunes and would most likely get the last two episodes.
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I'm also upset this show is coming to an end.

I really hope the creator comes out with some type of statement of what would have happened in future seasons. Like the creator for Drive did.
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I see that tvguide.com has a poll where you can vote to say that NBC ought to reconsider a complete season order of Journeyman as the show is finding it's voice.

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-en...yman/800029221
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It was supposed to be next Mon & Wed for the last 2 episodes, has this changed.

Yes, they really should order more of this show. As others have mentioned, very well thought out deep plot and more realism. I have complained it'd be better (for Dan), if he could control his travels, (when they happen, what time he goes to, when and where he returns to), but the fact he can't makes it more dramatic. Otherwise he could pick and choose what, where and when. Guess that'd get boring.

They also don't take the "easy way out" often. With Aiden, most shows would have had his influence on Aiden the child, changed Aiden the adult. Or his interaction with his father would have made his father stay, etc.
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It was supposed to be next Mon & Wed for the last 2 episodes, has this changed.
As far as everyone knows, they are still scheduled for next week.

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Yes, they really should order more of this show. As others have mentioned, very well thought out deep plot and more realism.
Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to appeal to the masses. Too many people also tried to think the show was something that it wasn't.

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I too would like to see the show go on. My wife and I enjoy it thoroughly. Monday night on NBC is (was?) my must see TV night.
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Best new show of the season and now it is is gone.
At least we get closure. I hear not everythig is answered but they had a feeling they were not coming back so it can serve as a finale as well.
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NBC sure has a crappy track record for shows at 10:00/9:00 on Mondays, don't they. Too bad we couldn't get more people enthused with this show. The sad thing is that with showing Livia in her "present time" the show had a lot of potential for interestingn storylines.

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Isn't it too early to throw the towel in, or is there a definitive cancellation?
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It's pretty close to definite. I don't know what "deadline" means in this instance, but the studio had a "deadline" to order more episodes this past Tuesday, and they chose not to do so. Even if the strike ends, there is no call for new episodes presently, like there is with other shows that have been given a full season, such as Chuck, Pushing Daisies, and Heroes.
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The network had a deadline to order new episodes from the studio, and since it's passed, the cast is free to find new work. NBC could still, theoretically, order new episodes, but Twentieth Century Fox Television would have to re-hire the cast.
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The network had a deadline to order new episodes from the studio, and since it's passed, the cast is free to find new work. NBC could still, theoretically, order new episodes, but Twentieth Century Fox Television would have to re-hire the cast.

Right, they can all go off and work for some other TV series... Um no. Wait.

Well, they can audition for some of the new movies that are about to go into prod... Hmmm... maybe not.

When the strike eventually ends, the cast will be the least of the obstacles to this show's return. I think the combination of F/X and period detail have made show costly, perhaps too costly for the ratings it has been drawing. Still, nothing is written in stone. When the strike ends th network might take another look on the theory that part of the reason the people bailed on the show was that they knew a strike was coming or had already started and didn't want to invest too much in such a demanding series.

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Point is, everyone's a free agent now, and if NBC does decide to order a back nine, they would have to re-hire everybody. If, say, Gretchen Egolf gets an offer for a movie with a completed script or commits to stage work, that can mess things up. Although my main point was that it's not the studio doing the ordering, but the network.

Also, I sort of doubt that the looming strike played that big a role in many people's decisions on what to watch this fall. I think that the people who post on a TV-related message board are disproportionately aware and interested in such things.
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I just noticed a new NBC Studio Pass email and noticed them shouting about Clash of the Choirs, Heroes being available on their website, Biggest Loser, Celebrity Apprentice, Coastal Dreams (no idea what that is), and Creed's blog. No mention at all about Journeyman being on tonight. I then looked back on a few of those Studio Pass emails that I didn't delete and while there were pictures of Chuck and Heroes there was just the smallest mention of Journeyman , if at all. Oh, well...

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Awesome episode tonight. Going to miss this show.

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Yes, very intriguing, although while the "Zach is now Caroline" story was cool, I thought they could have set that up better as to why it changed, as opposed to the quicker advance in technology meant Dan left the game early. Also, it was kind of lame how the first time they tried to retrieve the camera and the security woman asked for it they just handed it over..."Okay, here you go." I think I would have put up more of a fight for it.
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Awesome edge of your seat episode tonight. How is this show not like #2 of the night? Beaten by by-the-numbers cop shows? Please! I love this show. Now that NBC has not asked for more, are other networks able to buy it up? Everyone is out of work anyway, so who is to say it can't come back? If other networks have been watching and have liked what they saw, this is their chance to buy in. I doubt that will happen, but, it worked for Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

...On a related (but more depressing) note: I will buy the DVDs of this show. Usually I buy DVDs of shows I haven't seen all the episodes of. Rarely will I buy a series I saw as it aired. But this show is that good, and furthermore if they have commentaries -- especially commentaries that discuss what should have happened in seasons two and three, then I will buy it. I hope the creator of the show is able to include a lot of extras... he seems to know fans want to hear from him. He's right.

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I agree this was a very well done episode, edge of the seat is a good description. BUt I also felt it had that Star Trek vibe, change history and you alter the future stuff. When in the past Dan couldn't alter the outcome of that kid that grew up to shoot him. But he did get Zack back here. I half thought that Caroline would have stayed! Don't get me wrong, I liked the resolution.

Let's hope that somehow, the show comes back!
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Is there still supposed to be one more episode Wed night, Dec 19th?
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It's Too bad this show is ending, if it was On USA or FX maybe we at least would've gotten a Full Season. I'll save the last two eps till after the holidays when it's less crazy and say my goodbye's to the Show. I'm Hoping Kevin McKidd gets a successful series, although he might just be turned off to american television now. After Rome and Journeyman he's made two gret shows and he's a fantastic actor. This and Life were my two favorite series, I'm glad at least that Life has a chance, and I gotta think the only reason NBC has Kept Life around is that its a cop show, even if it's an Off Beat one.
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Yes, very intriguing, although while the "Zach is now Caroline" story was cool, I thought they could have set that up better as to why it changed, as opposed to the quicker advance in technology meant Dan left the game early.
I thought that was set up quite well. The change had a significant personal impact. I was surprised there were not more changes in his house. It was interesting that the various personal interactions stayed the course during the various timeline changes.
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Also, it was kind of lame how the first time they tried to retrieve the camera and the security woman asked for it they just handed it over..."Okay, here you go." I think I would have put up more of a fight for it.
I was surprised by that as well. Perhaps Livia wanted Dan to see the impact and fully grasp how important this was. They did put up a fight the second time around once they knew the stakes were higher.

I don't understand why the psychic said that Dan's birthday was so rare due to the Joseph-Lee comet. There must have been many people born on that date and many on Livia's birth date as well. Is it just those two people or everyone born on that date affected?

By the way, Kevin Falls had a new blog entry last week.
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What's your (everyone's) take on the scientist dude? Was he just acting ignorant because he was being watched, or had his interactions with Dan somehow been erased from history? I think the former, because of the lingering stare he gave.

I'm also thinking that Livia is marrying her man partly because she already looked up his future history and knows he isn't going to live through WWII. Just speculation on my part there. But unlike Dan she has foresight into the people she lives with.

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I also thought Dan should have been more forceful in retrieving the camera the first time, but it was still a great ep. Poor Katie. All ready to go, and Dan leaps out. Love her in Dan's shirt. Interesting that the light show is not just for the audience's benefit. Katie saw it, too.

This show ending hurts more than any other. I was sorry to see Veronica Mars go, but we got three good seasons. I watched a little of John Doe, but this is the first show I watched from top to bottom, only to have it taken away. These are great characters who deserve more time on screen.

Second show of the season to feature an annoying sister-in-law, the other being Friday Night Lights. I think I liked Katie's sister better than I like Tami's, though.
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What's your (everyone's) take on the scientist dude? Was he just acting ignorant because he was being watched, or had his interactions with Dan somehow been erased from history? I think the former, because of the lingering stare he gave.

I was also curious about this. I hope that Wednesday's episode will shed some light on this so we aren't left completely in the dark on this issue.

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Since this thread will be dying out soon, might as well comment and speculate while I can. A couple of points about last night's episode, 'The Hanged Man.'

1. New paper view technology (the moving images on paper) has already been developed by Siemens. It was unveiled to the public back in 2005. In other words, this technology exists, but is not remotely cheap enough to be used casually. The acceleration of this technology was pretty interesting, as were the giant holographic screens (again, something that has been developed, just not nearly ready for mass production).

2. I also had a problem with how casually Dan and Livia allowed the camera to (at first) get into the hands of others. I'd have grabbed the camera and booked it out of the building... after all, there was no evidence that the camera wasn't Dan's. They knew better. This part of the plot just struck me as unnecessary.. Dan could have found out about the camera in a way that didn't give him direct access to it (like, in a locked room or something while the boy overhears him talking about it).

2. Here is an interesting passage about the Hanged Man card in the Tarot:

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The Hanged Man, in similar fashion, is a card about suspension, not life or death. This is a time of trial or meditation, selflessness, sacrifice, prophecy. The Querent stops resisting; instead he makes himself vulnerable, sacrifices his position or opposition, and in doing so, gains illumination. Answers that eluded him come clear, solutions to problems are found. He sees the world differently, has almost mystical insights. This card can also imply a time when everything just stands still, a time of rest and reflection before moving on. Things will continue on in a moment, but for now, they float, timeless.

3. Dr. Langley is a creep. I don't know if it's the actor's decision to speak to Dan like he's reading from cue cards, but his complete and total disassociation, even when he's acknowledging Dan, strike me as highly sociopathic, or at very least, highly paranoid. However, his inclusion in the series is interesting... he's kind of like a less helpful jerk version of 'deep throat' from the X-files.

4. On Wednesday, a few things will unfold. Livia's wedding in the past will be interrupted by her 'leaping' into the 'present.' Dan will meet another 'journeyman' (who I psuspect may end up either being evil or doing the government's bidding, as Langley warned). After all, now that Mr. FBI rogue is dead and his brother is a self-proclaimed 'believer,' Dan needs a foil, and the season would have needed a (apologies to Buffy fans) 'Big Bad' for him to go up against.

Of course, we will never be able to see this unfold as it was meant to. This wonderful show is toast. Thanks a whole hell of a lot, NBC, for making it clear what your priorities are. Instead of a mature, sophisticated drama/adventure, we're stuck with a full season of a smirking Michael Bolton showing off way more of his naked chest than any viewer - woman or man - should ever have to endure.
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...I'm also thinking that Livia is marrying her man partly because she already looked up his future history and knows he isn't going to live through WWII. Just speculation on my part there. But unlike Dan she has foresight into the people she lives with.

If such were the case it would be the Korean action since Livia previously mentioned she was living in 1948.
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Great episode. Ashame this is going away but at least we get some resolution.
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