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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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i tried my best to give this show a chance. i hung on for 5-6 epidisodes. it just wasn't going anywhere. they needed to address some of the large questions that this show put out there sooner.

then maybe it would have had a chance and did more than show us a new (and i use that word loosely) version of quantum leap. i have been watching occassional spurts to see if i could get any answers and that is about it. i got tired of 'disappear in the past - save the day/see old flame - come back home to suspicion/bewilderment' really fast.

for some reason lost can pull of the "no/least answers" style. this show couldn't do it....

While I personally like this show immensely, I would perhaps point out that LOST can deliver the "no/least answers" because it could be considered the modern "father" of that tactic. Am I wrong in this? Is there a show that truly witholds answers to the same degree as LOST in the current TV lineup?

You could even argue that LOST is/was losing some viewers to their refusal to "answer things." However, I'm not one of those

Personally, I don't mind sticking with a show once I've latched on to it.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

agreed on lost. it is the beginning of this genre of tv.

i like journeyman but it would better for me if his wife was able to handle it better and he had his brother plus his editor in on it.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

Well, his skeptical brother is now well and truly in on it. IMHO, the portrayal of the wife's reactions has been spot on -- she tries to understands and struggles with it, trying her best to deal with it but losing it every now and then. Which is entirely realistic, rather than a glossy 'oh my husband's the hero and I'll sit here quietly waiting for him to come back with a big smile on my face' idealised version of things.

As for his boss not being on it, well there's got to be some additional tension, yes? If Hugh was also in on it, the show would be less of a drama, and more along the lines of a light-hearted hero show (heck, Quantum Leap?). Part of the appeal of Journeyman, at least to me, is precisely the additional drama that is generated with Dan trying to lead a normal life, not letting too many know what happens to him, and juggling his vanishing act around ordinary life.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

Is it possible to have watched 9 seasons of X-Files and still think Lost is the pappa of not giving answers?

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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

I never even saw a single episode of the X-Files, so I wouldn't know.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

ditto
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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Is it possible to have watched 9 seasons of X-Files and still think Lost is the pappa of not giving answers?

Not giving answers, and Chris Carter quite literally making it up episode to episode, are two quite very different things

I would cite Twin Peaks before I cite X-Files, personally. But I was more refering to the current block of shows. That is, those that are airing currently, or have been off-air for only one or two seasons.

I guess what I'm trying to say, is that LOST is given a little more slack in this regard, not simply because it is amazing (and it is, in my opinion), but also because it was one of the first shows that drew in SO MUCH of an audience despite not being episodic in nature in any way. It was quite literally addictive to many people, most of whom were probably used to shows like CSI (puke).

Perhaps Journeyman just came in at a time where people aren't ready for yet another "everything's a secret, so watch em all!" show. I'm not saying that's me, or anyone else here, but it's just a thought.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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Is it possible to have watched 9 seasons of X-Files and still think Lost is the pappa of not giving answers?
Well, Lost was a quantum leap in terms of going for the tease; most X-Files episodes did accomplish something within their run-time, whereas Lost was maddening by the time I bailed on it.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

I don't really see the problem with regards to this show. If we were to never know how or why he was leaping through time, we would still have enough information to follow the storyline. For me, my enjoyment doesn't hinge on the answers to any questions, though I'll be excited when they do reveal a little about that.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

The final episodes we are going to see on the 10th, 17th, and 19th look closer to being the last we will ever see. There is a Save Journeyman site at http://savejourneyman.net/ reflecting NBC's decision not to order any more episodes. NBC did make a recent announcement about the time slot
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NBC announced that MEDIUM will return for a fourth season on Jan. 7 and will air in its original timeslot on Monday nights at 10 p.m.
Of course, the strike affects everything, but unless these final three episodes do much better in the ratings I think they will be the end.

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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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The final episodes we are going to see on the 10th, 17th, and 19th look closer to being the last we will ever see. There is a Save Journeyman site at http://savejourneyman.net/ reflecting NBC's decision not to order any more episodes. NBC did make a recent announcement about the time slotOf course, the strike affects everything, but unless these final three episodes do much better in the ratings I think they will be the end.

Neil

That's too bad, the networks do not give shows a chance anymore and they wonder why people are abandoning the networks for shows from FX, HBO, Showtime etc (Of Course HBO's track record has sucked lately too).
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

I'm so sick of the networks, Journeyman, Kidnapped, Daybreak, just to name a few.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

How can NBC be construed as not giving Journeyman a chance? It will basically end up running 13 episodes in 13 weeks. That's a lot more than the recent standard.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

Does nothing get you down, Jason? I have yet to see you get upset over the cancellation of a show lol.

This sucks indeed, while I wouldn't go so far as to say they didn't give it a fair shake it still blows that this fine show probably won't return.
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Jason is just being realistic, as he usually is. It sucks hard that the show probably won't continue, but I don't know what the network can do if people are tuning out. Heroes is down in the ratings this year, I understand, but it's still a pretty strong lead-in by any stretch. Journeyman just can't keep that audience, for some reason. From what I understand, the strike probably helped us out a little in getting a few extra episodes. I think Journeyman was one that they said would have been pulled sooner, but they wanted some original programming before the strike.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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Jason is just being realistic, as he usually is. It sucks hard that the show probably won't continue, but I don't know what the network can do if people are tuning out. Heroes is down in the ratings this year, I understand, but it's still a pretty strong lead-in by any stretch. Journeyman just can't keep that audience, for some reason. From what I understand, the strike probably helped us out a little in getting a few extra episodes. I think Journeyman was one that they said would have been pulled sooner, but they wanted some original programming before the strike.

Maybe its the timeslot, at least one other really great show died here last year as well. I personally think by 10pm a lot of people are just going to turn off the tv regardless of the show or channel, since it gets to be too late for many. I guess maybe CSI Miami and a few other shows on other nights do well there, but I'd bet not very many are great. I could be wrong though, that's just a guess.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

The thing is, and I've said this on numerous threads, there are no good time slots. Pretty much every hour that is not Saturday night either has a show that the network is loath to move or something very strong on another station. Launching any new show is going to be an uphill battle.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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The thing is, and I've said this on numerous threads, there are no good time slots. Pretty much every hour that is not Saturday night either has a show that the network is loath to move or something very strong on another station. Launching any new show is going to be an uphill battle.
Maybe it is time for networks to lower their expectations on how well a show should do to keep it. Due to the strike, this season is an anomaly. Journeyman did not do great in its time slot, but would any other new show do better? The third season finale of Medium as seen in this ratings report on the Futon Critic http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.a...=20070522nbc01
did not do much better than Journeyman did in a recent ratings report http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.a...=20071120nbc02
but perhaps with the time traveling it costs more and that might be the difference.

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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

The networks have been, for twenty years - what counts as a moderate success today would probably be a failure in the three-network era. And despite that, production values on hour-long series keep getting raised.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

just as a reminder.
Journeyman is a new episode tonight.
a Christmas episode too
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That was a beautiful episode. None of the characters got shortchanged -- everyone (even Dan's mom!) got to be portrayed as actual emotional beings. I may have had doubts that a show with a time travel hook could go on for two or three or four seasons, but now I have no doubt. This could (or could have, if the suits have already decided no to let this brilliantly written, well-cast show continue). I was glad we got to spend this time with these characters.

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I agree that this was a well done episode!

I have to re-watch my recording as I didn't catch what Dan's Mom said to Katie that set her off. But it was nice she came back and helped her get through her moment.

The last shot with Livia and the question posed to her was a good moment. It sets up a conflict for me as a viewer. Livia and Dan seem to have this connection. But in their real lives, they have their significant others.

Kinda odd tonight is that the NBC affiliate here in San Francisco did an interview with Reed Diamond during the 11:00pm news right after Journeyman and it played like the show was still going on strong. He commented about some great shows coming up that explains more and the writers have the whole mythology of the show all mapped out. Maybe it was an old interview, but it was shown just now.
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12/11/07 at 6:33am
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Another very good episode. It was nice to see that Dan's talk with his father did some subtle good. As Kevin Falls said on his blog back in November
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Our next few episodes are among our best and most thrilling and will answer more questions you've had about Dan, Katie, Jack, Livia and...Elliot Langley.
We got a few answers tonight and the next two will answer more.

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the NBC affiliate here in San Francisco did an interview with Reed Diamond during the 11:00pm news

I saw this too, and was perplexed how NBC11 referred to Journeyman as the 'new hit show' and promised we'd get a glimpse at what's in store for it's future... making no reference to its troubled ratings and likely departure from the programming schedule.. and most of the clips they showed were from the very first episode. Reed Diamond said something to the effect of 'if you haven't been watching, now is the perfect time to start tuning in.' Now I just feel really bad for everyone involved. This show deserves to keep going... I'm continually impressed by the sharpness and continuity of the writing.

There was clearly some wheeling and dealing behind the scenes to set up this 'interview' during the 11 o'clock news. Anyone working in the biz here in SF has a vested interest in contributing to the City's economy by continuing to encourage locally filmed shows (Journeyman is partially shot here).

Diamond seems like an affable guy... funny how the news anchors referenced his participation in several local parades & events.
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Thanks Joeseph for that added quote from Diamond.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

A good Christmas episode. Good to see that Dan traveled to the past, not to change things then (even if he wanted to), but to learn and go back to the present to change things there.
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I think this is probably the best-written show on TV right now. I've said it before, but the writing continues to be very mature and adult. Most shows of this nature have an element of juvenile wish-fulfillment built in, but Journeyman is a successful attempt to build realistic characters and force them to react the way real people might react under these unusual circumstances. People like Chuck because it is emotionally earnest and irony-free, and I think the same is true of this show. It's hard to take the idea of this show ending very soon.

Last night's came out firing on all cylinders. The sound bridge of White Christmas from the past to the iPod in the future was clever. Powerful stuff between Dan's mom and Katie. Dan isn't his father and won't leave her intentionally, but there's always the possibility he won't be able to come back. This whole thing is hardest on Katie, and I really feel for her. Gretchen Egolf is a highlight of an already excellent cast.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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I have to re-watch my recording as I didn't catch what Dan's Mom said to Katie that set her off. But it was nice she came back and helped her get through her moment.

It really wasn't what Dan's mom said, it was the apron that Dan's mom found and put on after Katie put it away upstairs. Putting the apron on upset Katie cause it gave her flashbacks to the situation with Aeden's
Dan's mom took Katie's sadness/reactions as something else.

Unless you're referring to the statement Katie made to jack's girlfriend about Dan's mom painting an imaginary target on her.
Where Dan's mom and Katie cleared up that matter in the next scene with a small talk about making Dan happy and giving her a beautiful grandchild.

I've recently thought of something.
Doesn't it seem like Jack's girlfriend seem just a little too snoopy/suspicious?
Could it be that she may be using Jack to get to Dan's time travel secret?
or even Livia's new fiance could be getting close to her to get closer to her time travel secret?
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No, they cleared that up. She's snoopy because she's pregnant with Jack's child and is worried that insanity may be hereditary.

Bad news from Reuters. Tuesday was the last day for NBC to give Journeyman a full season option, and they didn't do it. Looks like the last two are truly the last two. They should have just dropped Bionic Woman and slotted it over there. Or put it on Tuesday. There's nothing worthwile on TV on Tuesday. I know because I watch nothing on that day, now that Cavemen is gone.

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It really wasn't what Dan's mom said, it was the apron that Dan's mom found and put on after Katie put it away upstairs. Putting the apron on upset Katie cause it gave her flashbacks to the situation with Aeden's
Man, I hadn't noticed the apron at all, and took Katie's reaction at face value as being her response to finding out the reason her mother in law had an axe to grind with her was because Katie had hurt Jack before.

Just goes to show how cleverly scripted and plotted the show is. Also, that they didn't take the obvious feel-good plot point of Dan's talk with his father resulting in his father staying. It's interesting that Dan didn't say anything to Jack that it was his time-travelling that resulted in Jack getting an explanation from his father for leaving, rather Dan left it as if he simply didn't remember.

It truly is a shame that it seems this show is now dead and buried. With NBC letting the option lapse, though, is it possible for another network to pick it up instead? But given the ratings, even if possible it's unlikely I guess. Then again, I seem to recall that years ago NBC dropped JAG after its first season, and CBS picked it up and it kept going for another nine...
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