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I would never have figured she transferred the money.

Meant to respond to this earlier and forgot. It wasn't something that really had to be figured out. If you've still got a recording, go back and look at the shot. Dan hefts the pocket of the jacket and pats the other side of it so obviously to convey to Katie (and the audience) that he's found the money and understands what she did that I was afraid the FBI guys were going to notice!

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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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Originally Posted by Will_B
I think we're all on the same page now, which is that:

Jack is paying with the original bill, which IS the evidence bill, and Jack WILL get in trouble for stealing evidence. The fed told Jack the original bill is missing simply because the Fed can't accept the time-defying fact that the evidence bill had a signature from the future on it. Jack never copied anything, and his ass is uncovered.
I thought it was strange that the camera was zooming on the $20 bill that Jack used at the bar. I just assumed it was showing some irony, or something. I know that Jack wants to help Dan, but I never imagined that Jack would break the law to help him.

The screen captures really helped me understand that. I recorded the show. I will have to watch those two scenes again to see it myself.

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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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I thought it was strange that the camera was zooming on the $20 bill that Jack used at the bar. I just assumed it was showing some irony, or something. I know that Jack wants to help Dan, but I never imagined that Jack would break the law to help him.
The Fed just left the $20 bill there and since he already considered it to be evidence that Jack had already tampered with in the past, maybe he thought it was useless anyway.

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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

Being a Doctor Who and Back to the Future fan...I love time travel, but just thinking about this stuff makes my brain hurt.

does this now mean there are two of each bill in the 70's?
(If before the hijacking)
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Being a Doctor Who and Back to the Future fan...I love time travel, but just thinking about this stuff makes my brain hurt.

does this now mean there are two of each bill in the 70's?
(If before the hijacking)
Well, if it happened before the hijacking, that money would never have been available for the hijacking, so different money would end up being used for that.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

Anyone find it funny how this show has turned into "follow the money" (my apologies to Deep Throat).

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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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Well, if it happened before the hijacking, that money would never have been available for the hijacking, so different money would end up being used for that.

Lets just say(for argument sake) that Dylan's hijacking took place in 1976

hippie robbery took place in 1973

If Dan took money from 1976 and brought it to 1973.

That money Dan gave to the hippies in the robbery, would be in police evidence storage(I'm assuming)

but there's still that money that Dylan takes in 1976. (Dylan still takes the same cash he ORIGINALLY did in timeline history)

so, would there still be two sets of each of those bills?

See...this time travel thinking gives me a headache.
I haven't done this much thinking since the stellar episode of Doctor Who Blink
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Lets just say(for argument sake) that Dylan's hijacking took place in 1976

hippie robbery took place in 1973

If Dan took money from 1976 and brought it to 1973.

No, the hippie robbery took place in 1974 at the earliest, possibly 1975. Nixon resigned in August 1974 and that happened before the robbery.

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Anyone find it funny how this show has turned into "follow the money" (my apologies to Deep Throat).


Well, it does fit in with all the Nixon stuff.

I'm not sure how much of a time lag there was between the resignation and the robbery - but I do know that the offical show website puts the Dylan McKleen hijacking in 1975. If the robbery is before the hijacking, the cash would have ended up in with the cops - but as what? It would have been obvious that all the cash didn't come from the store, the resgister receipt and the books would have ruled that out. And it wouldn't have been needed as evidence, since the robbers were all dead and there wasn't going to be a trial. Eventually it would have been forfeited to the municipality that had jurisdiction.

So - what if when a hijacker with hostages at a near-by airport demanded a huge amoung of cash on short notice, somebody remembered all those bills in the evidence locker, made up the rest of the ransom amount from other sources (which would include the bill that Jack took from Dan's), and stuffed it in the bag that went to Dylan! The Feds or somebody would have reimbursed them - and all the serial numbers would have been recorded before the money was handed over. (I know, I'm overthinking again. )

You have to admit - it would explain everything.

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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

I could have sworn the "other girl" in the robbery survived.

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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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The Fed just left the $20 bill there and since he already considered it to be evidence that Jack had already tampered with in the past, maybe he thought it was useless anyway.

Neil

No, because now it's evidence of a crime committed by Jack.

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I could have sworn the "other girl" in the robbery survived.

She did. She was cuffed and stuffed. Or, come up with a better rhyme for "cuffed."

This is pretty good. Usually, talk about a weekly show is limited to the night it airs or the very next day, unless the show is called Heroes or Lost. This money thing is keeping this show on our mind all week.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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This is pretty good. Usually, talk about a weekly show is limited to the night it airs or the very next day, unless the show is called Heroes or Lost. This money thing is keeping this show on our mind all week.

Yeah, it is pretty cool.
So, If I'm understanding right...

The money that Dan threw at the hippies, was accounted for by the cops,
cops figured out it wasn't part of the stores money.
The money then goes back in the public system...which is the same money Dylan steals, then in turn which Dylan gives to Dan...
Then Dan takes the money to 1974 to set in motion

so if Dan never threw the money in 1974 there would be no money for Dyaln to steal??


Am I right that Dylan has to steal the same money(Original time line money) or else there would be no money to steal?...


those of you that watch Doctor Who, and saw the Blink episode..
it's sort of like how Doctor Who knew what the girl was going to say only because of what notes she left, but only because of Doctor Who telling her the situation(or to that effect...it's been awhile since I last saw it)
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

This is a series I probably would pick up on DVD, with the large amount of music the series is using I wonder if they are clearing it as they go along or will we get changed music in the set?
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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Being a Doctor Who and Back to the Future fan...I love time travel, but just thinking about this stuff makes my brain hurt.

TIME TRAVEL=


Seriously, I have been recording this show onto dvd. Just in case it doesn't come out on dvd.

Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.

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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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Seriously, I have been recording this show onto DVD. Just in case it doesn't come out on DVD.

Me too. That's how I was able to get screen grabs of the money.
A show like this you need it available for multiple viewings.

sadly there are only two more episodes

We need Dan to go back and stop the strike.
I have a feeling this is going to be a casualty from it.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

If (god forbid) the show gets cancelled. I hope the producers are cool enough to post what the story was behind his travels.

Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.

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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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If (god forbid) the show gets cancelled. I hope the producers are cool enough to post what the story was behind his travels.

Is it in danger of cancellation or are we nearing the end of the scripts ordered. I think if NBC Cancels this I'm done with watching network shows until they come on DVD and get a renewal, I'm tired of investing my time and having them pull the plug
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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No, because now it's evidence of a crime committed by Jack.
Still, why did the Fed leave the $20 bill behind? If he was going to do something to Jack or he thought it was useful, he would have taken it with him.

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Is it in danger of cancellation or are we nearing the end of the scripts ordered. I think if NBC Cancels this I'm done with watching network shows until they come on DVD and get a renewal, I'm tired of investing my time and having them pull the plug
We are probably nearing the end of scripts written. Three extra scripts were ordered (~ October 10) before the strike started. This is one show that was listed in an article I read today. It was about shows that the networks are letting stay on longer than they would otherwise because of the strike. Despite, less than stellar ratings they are keeping it on because they want the new material on the air.

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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

Just when this show is getting good, and we're getting great information.

Ideas I would have loved to see...

Dan going back to 1948(Livia's time period)
some type of accident when Dan and Livia switch places and Livia is stuck in 2007 and Dan is stuck in 1948

Livia having to travel to the farther future to help Dan's Son(older version of him in about his 20's)

Dan actually traveling to the plane accident that Livia was involved in

Dan accidentally taking his son Zack into the past and loosing him(traveling back into the future without him)

maybe Dan interfering with past Dan and past Katie so Zack wasn't born
(ALA Back to the Future)
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It was about shows that the networks are letting stay on longer than they would otherwise because of the strike. Despite, less than stellar ratings they are keeping it on because they want the new material on the air.

Well, that's depressing. In other words, in a normal year, this would have already been pulled. I didn't read the particular article you mention, but I know Cavemen was in the same position. Please tell me Chuck wasn't mentioned.

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Ideas I would have loved to see...

Probably occurred to me because I just lost my dog, but how about an episode where Dan goes to his childhood home and sees his beloved dog alive. That could be a pretty wrenching scene.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

Was this audio interview with the creator Kevin Falls already linked?

If not, check it out:

Audio interview with Kevin Falls, Oct 24 2007

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Hate to throw a spanner in the works, but I just reviewed the episode, and the scene of the cabbie checking out the "counterfeit" bill back in 1995 shows a different serial number on the $20.

I'm guessing that this is more likely a continuity glitch; otherwise there is no way to explain how Jack had two 'modern' $20s in his possession when checking in the evidence. I.e. the most straightforward explanation is that the bill in evidence is indeed the one he received from the cabbie as evidence, and he has now pinched it from evidence to get rid of it.

Also, the robbery would have to have been in 1977 or later: Abby was doing 30 years in prison, and was still there in 2007. As an aside, in the newspaper article Dan reads in 2007 reporting that Abby had been elected to the Board of Supervisors for a district that includes Haight-Ashbury -- how appropriate! -- she is quoted as saying that "someone once told me I couldn't just go along for the ride... and I took that (advice to) heart": I just love how these little details mean something.

As already observed, the writers and showrunner have plotted this quite carefully, with little bits and pieces all linking together. Great stuff, and I hope this show for one survives ratings/sweeps and the strike.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

I felt a bit manipulated by the rather cliche threat development in tonight's episode but its Journeyman so I'll forgive it.

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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

No one watched it? Remember if you don't watch your DVR within 3 days, the ratings don't count! (So I learned from that interview above).

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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

I watched it, but this whole "Dan went off grid" in the past causing unintended consequences in his present got on my nerves. It's like, if Dan only does what he's supposed to do (whatever is "correct" in the eyes of whoever is sending him back in time), then things work out "well", though from different POVs, perhaps not so well for others, but mucking with the timestream at all will produce consequences, but with Dan doing "his own thing" while Livia is pleading with him to stay on the objective (that isn't ever really spelled out, though Livia knows far more than Dan does), the only major thing is that Dan now has a stalker with bad intentions who has gotten out of prison. It does feel a little too cliched for drama's sake.

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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

The other thing is, epsodes ago, when Dan was first figuring things out, and I think Dan had a gun, and Dan was asking Livia's advice on the "right thing to do"
She replied, "It's fair game" or something to the extent of who ever you have to kill...do it.

Which doesn't make sense, if they are going by this recent logic

I have all the episodes on DVD, so I might go back and find it.
But I definitely remember that scene.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

Well the brother kinda of knew tonight....then didn't. But, it looks like next week the brother will definitely know the truth.

Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.

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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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No one watched it? Remember if you don't watch your DVR within 3 days, the ratings don't count! (So I learned from that interview above).
I watched the episode and do watch my DVR shows within a day or two. Since my TV is not being monitored for ratings, I don't think it really matters when I watch a DVRed show.

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I thought all DVRs sent back info?

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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

Is next week's the last for now? The best scene was when Zach disappeared. That really freaked me out for a minute.
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Is next week's the last for now? The best scene was when Zach disappeared. That really freaked me out for a minute.

I don't know...I thought it was a weak attempt at trying to fool the audience that Zack "might" have time traveled.(disappearing, having a headache)
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