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I really like this show. I feel for Livia. She must be really hurting inside knowing that Dan is happy with Katie. I was hoping that Livia would actually see Katie in the present when she was looking for the money. Too bad it didn't happen.

Next week seems to be a good one.

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I really like this show. I feel for Livia. She must be really hurting inside knowing that Dan is happy with Katie. I was hoping that Livia would actually see Katie in the present when she was looking for the money. Too bad it didn't happen.
Livia did see Katie, but Katie didn't see Livia. It was quite a good episode. I thought that Dan was going to a bit of "money laundering" through the poker game and so would have a completely different set of money in the satchel when he returned. That did not appear to happen and things look like they will get a bit sticky next episode.

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I have a feeling it's all going to come crashing down on the Brother, actually.

From an outsider's point of view (the FBI agent no doubt), it will appear that Jack is jealous of Dan, and setting him up. There is no actual proof for anything, only an ex-lover acting irrationally - freezing the finances, barging into the house uninvited, and now the $100 he gave to the FBI.

The FBI tends to frown on raids that not only don't pan out, but implicate a news reporter and her journalist husband. We all know they are going to find literally nothing in the house.

Of course, Dan could always end up travelling while being questioned or something (while the agent is out for coffee...).
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I'm glad they made the bold decision of having Dan's life in the present be the focus of this show, rather than his adventures in the past. It's really paying off.
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I have been sticking to this show since the beginning, hoping it was going somewhere. Last night's episode is getting me to stay. I think we are out of the setup episodes and going into learning more about how and why Dan is travelling. Plus, the investigation of the money and what that leads to is getting really interesting.
Still haven't found out why it seems Livia is stalking Dan, though from her jump to get the money we assume she can't control where her jumps take her either. But I think she is holding back a lot of info.
On a side note, I like the way the son is being handled in this show. His actions are spot on for a 7 year old.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

Last night's episode was one of the best of the season.

It wisely chose to focus on all the principles - not just one or two of them, bringing their conflict into sharper focus.

Dan confronting - and emulating - the excesses of his former self was well done.

The brother has not been informed for the dramatic purpose of allowing this business with the hijack money and the FBI unfold. I think Dan and Kate's reluctance to involve Jack has to do with their already strained relationship. Things between Dan and his brother were strained at the start of the pilot, so this is nothing new.

I still maintain that the theme of this show is 'consequences.' I am seeing a lot of conceptual Quantum Leap similarities, but QL's emphasis was largely on the secondary cast and their week-to-week dilemmas, with the main character as a catalyst. Journeyman, on the other hand, delves into the personal crisis week after week, choosing to emphasis the consequences of being a time traveler who 'leaps home' all the time. Also, it seems that the secondary conflicts (the 'missions') are catalysts for Dan and his family, not the other way around.

Not a perfect show, not my favorite of the season, but it has managed to hold my interest so far.
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I thought it was definitely the best of the season personally. I also have to say I really loved how they showed Livia and Dan in two different places at the same time for once, makes her much less useless that way.
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One thing that kind of gives this show a strange feeling for me is that I have not heard of any of the actors or any of the creative team. "Reed Diamond. Moon Bloodgood." Is this Journeyman, or a Lucky Charms show? I haven't even heard of Kevin McKidd, Gretchen Egolf or Kevin Falls. These are really strange names to me.

I just found out that McKidd is rumored to have the lead in an upcoming Thor movie. I'm guessing someone else would play the Thunder God, but he'd make a pretty great Don Blake.
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This episode definitely had a Back to the Future part II feeling with all the multiple selves and confusion, great episode.

I love the way the show gets you thinking about the consequences of messing with time, like for instance when Dan was trying to stop his past self from getting jumped and possibly killed presant Dan fails to realize that the mere fact that he's sitting there in that car with Livia proves that his past self survives, otherwise presant Dan would disappear Marty McFly style.

They need to lay it all out for the brother, Dan's in deep shit now.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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Livia did see Katie, but Katie didn't see Livia.


Yeah, what I meant to say was that I hoped they would see each other.

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I still maintain that the theme of this show is 'consequences.' I am seeing a lot of conceptual Quantum Leap similarities, but QL's emphasis was largely on the secondary cast and their week-to-week dilemmas, with the main character as a catalyst. Journeyman, on the other hand, delves into the personal crisis week after week, choosing to emphasis the consequences of being a time traveler who 'leaps home' all the time. Also, it seems that the secondary conflicts (the 'missions') are catalysts for Dan and his family, not the other way around.

Not a perfect show, not my favorite of the season, but it has managed to hold my interest so far.
Excellent summary. Perhaps the most enjoyable part of the show is the inexorable stacking of consequences. Each episode directly builds on an element from the previous episode.

As you said, it's not my favorite either, but it's solid and the character drama strengthens with each passing episode.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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"Reed Diamond. Moon Bloodgood."
Reed Diamond is best known for playing Mike Kellerman on Homicide. If you haven't seen that show, you really need to go get those DVDs. To my memory, his personality wasn't all that different in that role. Moon Bloodgood played a major character in last season's Day Break (which sadly didn't completely air on TV and we had to catch on ABC's website).

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Reed Diamond is best known for playing Mike Kellerman on Homicide. If you haven't seen that show, you really need to go get those DVDs. To my memory, his personality wasn't all that different in that role. Moon Bloodgood played a major character in last season's Day Break (which sadly didn't completely air on TV and we had to catch on ABC's website).

Neil


and of course, Kevin McKidd was from Rome. (I believe his Rome buddy is now playing The Punisher too)

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I think my favorite is Gretchen Egolf, and a scan of her IMDb filmography shows nothing that I've seen or would be interested in. The closest would be Roswell, which it says she was only on for four episodes. For all I know, that could make her a regular. The IMDb's TV series filmography is kind of screwy sometimes.
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If you'd seen "Day Break" you would have gotten a weekly dose of Moon Bloodgood waking up every morning looking fresh as daisies, mmmm....scrumptiousness.

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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

I really enjoyed the Double Down episode.
I liked how Dan jeopardized his own future and had to fix it, even interacting with his present self.

I also liked how the whole episode had Dan stay entirely in 1999, and not do triple trips(like normally)

It's interesting how Livia traveled to the future, but seemed it wasn't controlled.

The best episode so far this season
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They should have named this show "Journeywoman" (at least for Livia's 7-episode mission to save Dan's present day situation after playing guardian angel to Dan while he gets his time-traveling legs under him).

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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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They should have named this show "Journeywoman" (at least for Livia's 7-episode mission to save Dan's present day situation after playing guardian angel to Dan while he gets his time-traveling legs under him).

or maybe Journeypersons so we're not gender specific
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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It's interesting how Livia traveled to the future, but seemed it wasn't controlled.

The best episode so far this season

seemed completely comtrolled to me.

they needed money and she was immediately shipped right to the exact spot of the money.
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they needed money and she was immediately shipped right to the exact spot of the money.

Except that she didn't know where she was and she didn't know that the money was there. We don't even know that she "took off" deliberately. It might have been instinct or it might have been an outside force that propelled her into the future. Doesn't sound "completely controlled" to me. Completely controlled would have been going to where and when you knew you could get the money, safely and without risks and putting yourself through emotional stress.

Did anyone else think it was going to be Livia who called Kate?

I still wonder where Livia "goes" between assignments. We know Dan has a life in 2007. Where is "home" for Livia? The present? The past? Somewhere in between?

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it was controlled to the extent that she went to an exact spot the exact moment they needed something.

i thought this makes it no doubt that something is doing this and there is a nothing accidental about it.
as if someone is watching and one says to the other, "ok we have to shoot her to the money NOW"

controlled by something, not livia.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

Well, maybe not present Livia. For all we know, a five-years-older Livia is in control of the jumps and remembered what needed to be done.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

maybe but there has been no indication of that, or who/what is controlling the jumps.
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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Reed Diamond is best known for playing Mike Kellerman on Homicide. If you haven't seen that show, you really need to go get those DVDs. To my memory, his personality wasn't all that different in that role.
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I agree with you about his character being similar to the role in Homicide. I had actually said that to my wife when we were watching the last episode on Monday.

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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

Reed Diamond's character is so firmly rooted in reality that the only consequence (I can envision) of his discovering Dan's time travel is perhaps his head exploding.

"Wait, you mean to tell me you CAN travel tru tayeem??!!

BOOM!!!
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Re: Journeyman - season 1 thread

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Reed Diamond's character is so firmly rooted in reality that the only consequence (I can envision) of his discovering Dan's time travel is perhaps his head exploding.

"Wait, you mean to tell me you CAN travel tru tayeem??!!

BOOM!!!
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Reed Diamond's character is so firmly rooted in reality that the only consequence (I can envision) of his discovering Dan's time travel is perhaps his head exploding.

"Wait, you mean to tell me you CAN travel tru tayeem??!!

BOOM!!!

What I'd really love to see is for Dan to pull his brother through with him on one of his trips. We already know he can take other things like cell phones, money, trash, etc. It doesn't seem too much of a stretch that if he was holding on to someone, they'd go with him.
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I think it was Joe who suggested he should probably try that with a mouse first. Unless he's really pissed at his brother that day and doesn't care.
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He seems to know when he is about to go back in time, so he could grab someone and bring them with him to the past. But what about when he comes back? He could end up leaving whoever he took back in the past. Which, if it were his brother, would be a good thing.

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Excellent summary. Perhaps the most enjoyable part of the show is the inexorable stacking of consequences. Each episode directly builds on an element from the previous episode.

As you said, it's not my favorite either, but it's solid and the character drama strengthens with each passing episode.
Well so. I couldn't have said it better myself. Each episode adds a bit more to the pot and stirs it a little. I like these characters and I like the relationships between them all.
I wish more people were watching it though.
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