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In other Bond news, the 'Ultimate Edition' DVD of last year's "Casino Royale" is in the works at last. The three-disc set will include almost all of the deleted scenes cut out from the film and will be released mid-late 2008

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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

Interesting.

I wonder whether the deleted scenes will be worked back into the movie to form an extended cut? I hope so!
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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

Why do you hope so?
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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

With just a couple of featurettes on the original disc, this was kind of obvious from the beginning, but still infuriating as unnecessary double dips like this always are.
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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

wow...this is like sooo unexpected.
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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

I suppose this was quite predictable. I hope they include the theatrical trailers, teasers and TV spots - they were noticably absent on the last DVD.

I'm still hoping for a Blu-Ray box set containing all 21 films - but I think I'd need to re-mortgage the house first.

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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

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Interesting.
I wonder whether the deleted scenes will be worked back into the movie to form an extended cut? I hope so!
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Why do you hope so?
Yes, why do you hope so?
Do you think that inserting deleted scenes will improve the film somehow?
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8/27/07 at 1:16pm
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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

I don't think an extended cut is necessary, but I wouldn't mind seeing them release the uncut version in R1 (in the US & the UK, the opening bathroom fight and stairway fight were trimmed for violence).

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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

Ditto here. Would like to see the uncut, "unsanitized" versions of those scenes restored.
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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

There's never been a full-blown alternate cut of any Bond film ever.

The differences that do exist among the previous films are a result of trims being made for the UK, DVD authoring mistakes (like the missing footage in OHMSS on the 2000 SE release) etc.

Also, of all the Bond movies "Casino Royale" is arguably the one that needs to be messed with the least.

I think there are people who like to see the longest, most "complete" cut of a film possible as opposed to seeing the film with the edits and omissions carefully chosen by the director and editor. I can personally only think of a handful of deleted scenes that I believe should have been restored, and I imagine that if there was a substantial amount of footage deleted from "Casino Royale" it probably deserved to not make it into the movie.

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8/27/07 at 7:19pm
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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

If they had to cut some violence to get a PG-13, then I wouldn't mind an extended cut featuring only what they cut to get the desired rating. Of course with most "unrated" rereleases, they'll probably just restore a bunch of useless scenes cut for good reason, and use the unrated moniker to make consumers think they'll be getting a more violent and/or more sexy version.

Also, the 2006 License to Kill rerelease has violent shots restored - Leiter's bloody stump, Krest's head exploding that weren't in the U.S. theatrical cut. Strange that it still says it's PG-13 though. Did they resubmit it?
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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

The only cut that I think a lot of people would like to see re-inserted is the jump cut at the end of From Russia With Love, but I digress off-topic.
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They could cut the Miami airport interlude out of CASINO ROYALE to save time. It's irrelevant and it serves no storytelling purpose. It's just an excuse to insert some action that is imitative of the Bourne films.
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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

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I don't think an extended cut is necessary, but I wouldn't mind seeing them release the uncut version in R1 (in the US & the UK, the opening bathroom fight and stairway fight were trimmed for violence).

I was under the impression that the US version had the trims you mentioned, but the UK version did not. However, the UK version had the torture scene trimmed I believe. I don't think putting out a version with both trims would be enough to call it an "extended" cut, but it would be nice to see nonetheless.
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8/28/07 at 10:23am
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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

The close-up shot of the rope on Bond's shoulder (replaced by a wide shot) is the only thing cut from the UK version.
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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

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The close-up shot of the rope on Bond's shoulder (replaced by a wide shot) is the only thing cut from the UK version.
The UK release also doesn't have the shot of the henchman hitting the bottom of the stairwell.
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8/29/07 at 6:00am
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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

Yes, it does.
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8/29/07 at 7:11am
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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

UK BBFC 12 (cut) vs. Germany FSK 12
http://www.schnittberichte.com/schni...ht.php?ID=4008

1. Alternative scene (left:German, right:UK)
2. Le Chiffre walks around Bond and put the rope on Bond's shoulder.
3. Another hit with the rope is cut
4. Alternative scene (left:Germany, right:UK)

USA PG-13 Version (cut) vs. Germany FSK 12
http://www.schnittberichte.com/schni...ht.php?ID=4011

1. Toilet fight is cut
2. Alternative scene like in the UK version
3. Stair fight is cut
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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

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I was under the impression that the US version had the trims you mentioned, but the UK version did not. However, the UK version had the torture scene trimmed I believe. I don't think putting out a version with both trims would be enough to call it an "extended" cut, but it would be nice to see nonetheless.
I wasn't too sure about the UK version, though I had heard it was cut I wasn't positive if they were the same cuts. So thanks to everyone for clearing that up.

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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

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Yes, why do you hope so?
Do you think that inserting deleted scenes will improve the film somehow?

I'm ill at the moment, I should have made myself a bit clearer.

I love the film as is, but I would like to some of the deleted scenes put back in the movie via seamless branching, I mean I already own the original DVD, so to make me double dip they'll have to do something like that.
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8/30/07 at 11:23am
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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

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Yes, it does.
I haven't seen the UK R2 DVD, but it definitely wasn't there in the cinema print. perhaps it found its way back in on the restricted 12 certificate as opposed to 12A?
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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

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They could cut the Miami airport interlude out of CASINO ROYALE to save time. It's irrelevant and it serves no storytelling purpose. It's just an excuse to insert some action that is imitative of the Bourne films.
I'll agree with the "immitative of Bourne" comment, although that's not a criticism (I thought it was a great action sequence).

But surely it's not irrelevant. Wasn't the point of the scene that the bombing would have generated activity on the stockmarket that would have allowed Le Chiffre to make money and repay the investors. Bond stopped it, thus forcing Le Chiffre to go for the casino, and setting the rest of the film in motion.
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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

Thank you for your comments.

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I'll agree with the "immitative of Bourne" comment, although that's not a criticism (I thought it was a great action sequence).

But surely it's not irrelevant. Wasn't the point of the scene that the bombing would have generated activity on the stockmarket that would have allowed Le Chiffre to make money and repay the investors. Bond stopped it, thus forcing Le Chiffre to go for the casino, and setting the rest of the film in motion.
The plot was already in motion. The point of CASINO ROYALE is that money should be lost and won at the gaming table with the consequences that arise from gambling, as well as to focus on the main action and to generate tension between the principal characters. It tortures the script to have Bond walk out on his tryst with Solange to carry out this distracting and unnecessary subplot. It's a kindergarten script in any case, but another stroke of the pen would make it more consistent than it is now.
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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

My problem with the sequence, and I generally really like the film, is with an unveiling of an aircraft like that, wouldn't security be massively high.

And in this day and age, wouldn't a terrorist driving a truck full of explosives (or explosive material), be one of the first things they'd be looking out for.
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My problem with the sequence, and I generally really like the film, is with an unveiling of an aircraft like that, wouldn't security be massively high.

And in this day and age, wouldn't a terrorist driving a truck full of explosives (or explosive material), be one of the first things they'd be looking out for.
You're right. Another inconsistency I didn't think of, and another reason why the scene is not believable.

CASINO ROYALE is a formula action film; to follow a formula is not in itself a bad thing. The producer reasoned that a big action sequence w/ explosion is needed at this interval, therefor put one in whether it belongs there or not, and adjust the script accordingly whether it makes sense or not.

The Miami airport scene is ridiculous and has no business being there.
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Re: Casino Royale 3 disk Ultimate Edition mid to late 2008

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My problem with the sequence, and I generally really like the film, is with an unveiling of an aircraft like that, wouldn't security be massively high.

And in this day and age, wouldn't a terrorist driving a truck full of explosives (or explosive material), be one of the first things they'd be looking out for.


it was a gas truck .the truck was to hit the plane and he stuck a bomb under the truck.boom.
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The plot was already in motion. The point of CASINO ROYALE is that money should be lost and won at the gaming table with the consequences that arise from gambling, as well as to focus on the main action and to generate tension between the principal characters. It tortures the script to have Bond walk out on his tryst with Solange to carry out this distracting and unnecessary subplot. It's a kindergarten script in any case, but another stroke of the pen would make it more consistent than it is now.

thats like saying lawrence of arabia would be a great movie if it went from him blowing out the match to larry meeting up with the arab at the well.
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it was a gas truck .the truck was to hit the plane and he stuck a bomb under the truck.boom.

Last time I checked, gasoline is considered explosive, or at least flammable, material.
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thats like saying lawrence of arabia would be a great movie if it went from him blowing out the match to larry meeting up with the arab at the well.
Whew!!!
I have just edited my reaction to reading the above to Whew!!!
There's no comparing LAWRENCE OF ARABIA to an arbitrary piece of crap like CASINO ROYALE.

I reiterate:
CASINO ROYALE is a formula action film; to follow a formula is not in itself a bad thing. The producer reasoned that a big action sequence w/ explosion is needed at this interval, therefor put one in whether it belongs there or not, and adjust the script accordingly whether it makes sense or not.

The Miami airport scene is ridiculous and has no business being there.
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Last time I checked, gasoline is considered explosive, or at least flammable, material.
Yes, Dail's point was that a gasoline truck that is used to fuel and refuel planes is not the same as a terrorist driving a rig onto the airfield. Only people with authorized clearance would have had access to the fuel truck, which is why there wasn't anybody watching it. The bad guy in question HAD authorized clearance, or else he wouldn't have made it through the door.
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Whew!!!
I have just edited my reaction to reading the above to Whew!!!
There's no comparing LAWRENCE OF ARABIA to an arbitrary piece of crap like CASINO ROYALE.
Why not? They're both cinematic works released into the public dialogue. Lawrence of Arabia has had forty years and change to cement its reputation, to be sure, but it's still a film.
The scenes between the match and the arrival of Sheriff Ali serve little narrative purpose, but they do introduce us to Lawrence and the world he finds himself in.
Likewise, sequence at the airport showcases Bond being Bond. It gives him an early victory and establishes the stakes that the game will be played at. Le Chiffre is playing for big money that has big consequences. Bond's actions here force his hand later on. From that perspective, complaining that a Bond movie uses an action sequence to move its pieces into place is very much like complaining that David Lean uses majestic arid panoramas to establish his world.
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