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Re: New restoration of THE GODFATHER heading to DVD soon?

Obviously i'm pleased G is being restored, it need's it now just as it did 10 years ago, RAH has always said it needed film restoration so i'm not sure why you think he ever said it didn't?

I think your becoming confused with his comments on the dvd itself, if you care to dig out the post(s)/articles your referring too it would help to clarify.

When you say he hasn't told them his comments previosuly, true or untrue it's irrelevent. Paramount's asset protection division will have specialists who test the films and report back to the board when money need's to be spent on titles. On the basis Mr Harris is involved it need's the work of a specialist to fix the problems, as Paramount have staff that deal with day-day restoration jobs and issues.

As for GII, if a film is not in need of film restoration any work that is carried out on it will be a waste of money and time and in no-way affect the resulting image to any degree whatsoever - a negative either need's it or it doesn't and GII's doesn't!


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Re: New restoration of THE GODFATHER heading to DVD soon?

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I personally wouldn't want them to include "The Novel" in the same DVD set as the proper cuts, because it would force the set to be much more expensive, and I'm getting tired of studios releasing multiple cuts in the same package because multiple cuts market better than deleted scenes..

I would like that "The Novel" would be included. They can always do like Warner did with "Blade Runner"; Regular SE with the restored films/extras and then "UE" (or similar) that also has "The Novel".

Now that Pacino and De Niro are filming together, perhaps they could do some "round table" interview-session or something for the new release.. Or at least new interviews from both. I can dream..

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Re: New restoration of THE GODFATHER heading to DVD soon?

I didn't realize you were an expert on the absolutely perfect condition of The Godfather, Part 2. I bow to your expertise.
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Re: New restoration of THE GODFATHER heading to DVD soon?

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I alluded to this a few months back.

And you do know which individual is restoring this, right? Take a guess...yep.

how about an answer on this?
who do you mean and how do you know
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Re: New restoration of THE GODFATHER heading to DVD soon?

That old thread seems to have mysteriously disappeared. Sad, sad.
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Re: New restoration of THE GODFATHER heading to DVD soon?

Hope they are remastered for an OAR release.

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Thanks Ron

Should be interesting to see what improvements we get for BD.
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Re: New restoration of THE GODFATHER heading to DVD soon?

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I didn't realize you were an expert on the absolutely perfect condition of The Godfather, Part 2. I bow to your expertise.

As I said before, if you bothered to actually read what I wrote, RAH has stated exactly that, the exact quote, from 2003 is thus "For the record... I'm not one of the individuals with major problems in regard to the Godfather DVDs. And I'm unaware of any problems with the Oneg on Godfather 2."

It's not my opinion, it's Mr Harris's.

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Re: New restoration of THE GODFATHER heading to DVD soon?

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Hope they are remastered for an OAR release.

why wouldnt they be?
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Re: New restoration of THE GODFATHER heading to DVD soon?

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how about an answer on this?
who do you mean and how do you know

Tony, Tony, Tony.

If I were permitted to say specifically whom I am referring to, then I would've already done so, right?

I like the fact that you are still in the dark while others aren't -- means there's no proof that I outright spilled the beans. It's just a matter of reading my post and putting two and two together.

And how do I know this information? Well, let's just say, based on my position, I was in the right place at the right time. I can't say more than that, because technically I am not allowed to.

Feel free to doubt my legitimacy, but time will reveal...
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Re: New restoration of THE GODFATHER heading to DVD soon?

well you're the one who turned this into a riddle by saying you "alluded" to this in an earlier thread that isnt around anymore, then turned it into a game by saying guess who.

i didint say anything about doubting what you say, but here in the anonymous internet anyone can say anything.
why wouldnt anyone question were you get your info, when we dont know were it comes from?

also again yoou are being cryptic.
"reading my post and putting two and two together."

were was two and two?
i dont see anything in your post to put together.

looking at other posts, the names mentioned are
RAH(me)
steven spielberg
FFC

of those names RAH is the only one i know of that restores films.

in your first post, instead of trying to be clever, just say.
"i'm not allowed to say because of my postion, but a restore of the Godfathers is coming.
that's all i can say for now."

" If I were permitted to say specifically whom I am referring to, then I would've already done so, right?"
how should i know?
you already turned it into a guessing game without saying you cant tell us the name.

regardless of who is restoring, i'm as happy as anyone else in here.

i'll pick it up on hd or blu with with or without the novel/saga version being included.
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Re: New restoration of THE GODFATHER heading to DVD soon?

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why wouldnt they be?

I think Coppola is one of the few major directors that hasn't allowed any films on DVD in "family friendly" pan & scan. Although, it's a different type of family when concerned with the Godfather movies.

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I know it's the red-headed step-child of the saga, but I hope that The Godfather Part III is being restored as well, as it was the one that had the poorest transfer on the 2001 DVD release.

As it was shot in 1990 using newer, more stable Kodak film stocks, I'd imagine THE GODFATHER PART III wouldn't need to be "restored" in the traditional sense whereas its early-1970s brethren would.

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Well if it looked as it should, it didn't need a restoration...

Many films have elements that can be used to make an acceptable looking video transfer, but still need to be restored properly on film. An example is Hitchcock's NORTH BY NORTHWEST, a film which many folks praise on DVD for its quality, and yet its well known that the original VistaVision film elements are in dire shape. The quality of the DVD is in no way a reflection on the condition of the preprint film elements.

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Re: New restoration of THE GODFATHER heading to DVD soon?

I really hope this is true. While the existing DVDs are quite decent there is still a lot of room for improvement. With some of my 60s and 70s favorites like The Graduate, Chinatown and Taxi Driver getting releases with (hopefully) brand spanking new transfers, it would be a shame if the Godfather movies (at least the first two) did not get upgraded in a similar fashion.

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Re: New restoration of THE GODFATHER heading to DVD soon?

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I think Coppola is one of the few major directors that hasn't allowed any films on DVD in "family friendly" pan & scan. Although, it's a different type of family when concerned with the Godfather movies.

The original release on DVD of Coppola's "Outsiders" was a pan & scan on the B side of the disc.
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Re: New restoration of THE GODFATHER heading to DVD soon?

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Hope they are remastered for an OAR release.

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No, they´re only going to release a pan&scan 4:3-versions this time...


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As it was shot in 1990 using newer, more stable Kodak film stocks, I'd imagine THE GODFATHER PART III wouldn't need to be "restored" in the traditional sense whereas its early-1970s brethren would.

Vincent

Well, whatever is going on with the image quality of the 2001 DVD after Michael and Kay have their "day out" is unacceptable and should be fixed if it all possible.
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Part III looks like they just took an old interpositive and did minimal work on it. There's a lot of dirt and scratches. Hopefully for new editions with remasters will split all three films across two discs so we don't have to deal with all the compression artifacts.

Zoetrope could really come up with an awesome set... They could have each of the three movies across 2-discs with the extras included, too. Add back the original mono tracks for I and II, maybe include music-only tracks, and include the "Novel for Television" version on 3-discs. I think the Godfather Trilogy is certainly deserving of an ultimate 9-disc set.

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Re: New restoration of THE GODFATHER heading to DVD soon?

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I would like that "The Novel" would be included. They can always do like Warner did with "Blade Runner"; Regular SE with the restored films/extras and then "UE" (or similar) that also has "The Novel".

When seamless branching was first mentioned in this thread I thought is was a bit naive.
Close Encounters and Brade Lunner are not comparable to the Godfather trilogy as far as the number of discs involved
But then, others have already explained this quite well.

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As I said before, if you bothered to actually read what I wrote, RAH has stated exactly that, the exact quote, from 2003 is thus "For the record... I'm not one of the individuals with major problems in regard to the Godfather DVDs. And I'm unaware of any problems with the Oneg on Godfather 2."

It's not my opinion, it's Mr Harris's.

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Saying he was unaware of any problems is not the same as saying with 100% accuracy that there weren't any problems. I think the issues with THE GODFATHER's negative have been well-known for years even without Mr. Harris having had to personally inspect it, at least since Paramount did that theatrical re-release back in the 1990s with no attempt at restoration and the prints looked atrocious. Since THE GODFATHER PART II wasn't re-printed and re-released at that time, obviously unless one had actually gone into the vaults, pulled the negative and inspected it, then indeed, Mr. Harris and the rest of us would be "unaware" of any issues with that negative. But just because we're unaware of something doesn't mean it isn't so.

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For myself, I would like the films presented separately, but with some of the deleted scenes incorporated. For example, the scene where Michael is contemplating turning to the dark side. In the film, this is abrupt and unmotivated, whereas in the extended scene, it makes much more sense. Giving up the back & forth in part 2, for a purely chronological telling is anathema, but incorporating the deleted scenes into parts 1 & 2 would certainly be welcome to me.

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Saying he was unaware of any problems is not the same as saying with 100% accuracy that there weren't any problems. I think the issues with THE GODFATHER's negative have been well-known for years even without Mr. Harris having had to personally inspect it, at least since Paramount did that theatrical re-release back in the 1990s with no attempt at restoration and the prints looked atrocious. Since THE GODFATHER PART II wasn't re-printed and re-released at that time, obviously unless one had actually gone into the vaults, pulled the negative and inspected it, then indeed, Mr. Harris and the rest of us would be "unaware" of any issues with that negative. But just because we're unaware of something doesn't mean it isn't so.

Vincent

But that's the point! Paramount (and all other major studio's studio's with preservation dept's) do pull out film's on a cyclical basis and do test's on them to see what need's work and what doesn't.

If GII's O-neg needed preservation and restoration work above and beyond what that department does day in day out, it would have been reported. As the film is as well-regarded critically and as commercially succesfull as it's predecessor, if it was in that bad a shape Spielberg would have almost certainly added GII to his ultimatum, just as he did with Lawrence!

Getting people like Gordon Willis and Coppola involved on projects such as these is not cheap and so they would be far more likely to kill 2 birds with one stone as it were - much like Universal did with Vertigo followed by Rear Window.

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Getting people like Gordon Willis and Coppola involved on projects such as these is not cheap and so they would be far more likely to kill 2 birds with one stone as it were - much like Universal did with Vertigo followed by Rear Window. M

Most directors and dp's give their time freely because their name is on the film and they care about their work, and how it is represented. Others have bastard agents who won't let their client answer a phone unless there's a check in the mail to pay for the time it takes to say "hello?" Often times, the director is not asked to participate. Whether their time has to be paid for or not, it would be a serious error in judgment not to invite Gordon Willis, at least. The Godfather films are not photographed like other films. Willis' approach is extremely specialized. His methods of lighting and exposure on the set must be matched to specific formulations in the lab or the film will look wrong. A shot for shot consultation is needed. One can't simply order a best-light transfer and expect The Godfather to come out right.

But if RAH is in fact at the helm, I'm confident the restoration will be done right.
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RAH said G2 is not in need of restoration. He also said G1 is not in need of a restoration, but if they truly did offer him the job as this post suggests, he doesn't seem to have told them that. We can argue about it all day, but to what end? He DID say it wasn't in need of a restoration. I remember that very clearly. It would seem that he is now restoring it. I, for one, am delighted. If you are also delighted, then why argue about it?

First, I can't say that I have a firm memory of this ... BUT I thought Harris said that The Godfather was in dire condition and that he had pitched Paramount unsuccessfully about a restoration (back when).

Perhaps my memory isn't that good. Perhaps Mr. Harris will weigh in so we can stop doing the memory mambo.
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looking at other posts, the names mentioned are
RAH(me)
steven spielberg
FFC

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regardless of who is restoring, i'm as happy as anyone else in here.

i'll pick it up on hd or blu with with or without the novel/saga version being included.

well i suppose the guessing game is over.
according to a link in a post over in the hd section it is Robert and Spielberg.

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/archi...ther_resto.php


"Blue-chip restoration guru Robert Harris has been working on a photo-chemical restoration of all three Godfather films for the last few months, and the results may be digitally viewable as soon as December (a Danish DVD site is stating that restored DVDs of the first two Godfather pics are due for release on 12.6.07). Harris declined comment, but Francis Coppola said after an 8.6 Godfather III screening at the Academy's Samuel Goldwyn theatre that Steven Spielberg is the restoration project's financial savior."

thomas, are you allowed to talk about this yet?
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That article only uses information from this thread (in addition to some other 'no comments') as it relates to the restoration. Take it with a grain of salt.

Doesn't mean that it's wrong, though.

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"Blue-chip restoration guru Robert Harris has been working on a photo-chemical restoration of all three Godfather films for the last few months, and the results may be digitally viewable as soon as December (a Danish DVD site is stating that restored DVDs of the first two Godfather pics are due for release on 12.6.07).

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The fact that Paramount would allow this film of all films to get to the state it is in is awful to contemplate. I hate to think what other films will be (or already have been) lost due to their cavalier attitude.

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