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This is the Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread.

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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

I "borrowed" this from another site:
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Nielsen numbers
Day.... Week...... YTD...... SI
01/07 63.3/36.7 63.3/36.7 41.2/58.8
01/14 68.2/31.8 65.7/34.3 43.2/56.8
01/21 67.8/32.2 66.4/33.6 45.1/54.9
01/28 68.8/31.2 67.0/33.0 46.7/53.3
02/04 69.0/31.0 67.4/32.6 48.1/51.9
02/11 69.6/30.4 67.7/32.3 49.3/50.7
02/18 65.0/35.0 67.4/32.6 50.3/49.7
02/25 68.5/31.5 67.4/32.6 51.5/48.5
03/04 65.7/34.3 67.2/32.8 52.2/47.8
03/11 68.7/31.3 67.9/32.1 52.8/47.2
03/18 81.7/18.3 69.2/30.8 54.3/45.7
03/25 n/a 70.4/29.6 55.6/44.4
04/01 n/a 69.9/30.1 56.2/43.8
04/08 62.4/37.6 69.4/30.6 56.4/43.6
04/15 61/39 69/31 57/43
04/22 52/48 68/32 57/43
04/29 71/29 68/32 58/42
05/06 60/40 68/32 57/43
05/13 62/38 68/32 57/43
05/20 58/42 67/33 57/43
05/27 69/31 67/33 58/42
06/03 61/39 67/33 59/41
06/10 66/34 67/33 59/41
06/17 64/36 67/33 59/41
06/24 70/30 67/33 59/41
07/01 65/35 67/33 60/40
07/08 66/34 67/33 60/40
07/15 61/39 67/33 60/40
07/22 74/26 67/33 60/40
07/29 66/34 67/33 60/40
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07/29 66/34 67/33 60/40

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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

with much much bigger volume of 300 we will see new movement in SI and YTD data probably 68:32 for YTD and 61:39 for SI

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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

This was a link to Home Media Magazine links in locked up thread.

Couldn't figure out how to easily get the links over here. I'll put the new links in this post like before.



HMM June 17 - 23, 2007

Blu-ray has 9 of the top 10.

Who's buying Norbit?

Planet Earth continues to sell well.

Fox BD commitment reaffimed.

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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

So the Blu-ray / HD DVD War...the end is near thread is finally closed. To quote one of my favorite films: "This will be a day long remembered."

DVD & Blu-ray - It's all about the movies!
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

One down!

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...S_in_Sales/845

"High-def has notched up another milestone, with combined Blu-ray and HD DVD disc sales overtaking VHS during the first half of 2007."

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One down!
"High-def has notched up another milestone, with combined Blu-ray and HD DVD disc sales overtaking VHS during the first half of 2007."
Now that is a major accomplishment. HD and BD combined sales finally out sold the nearly dead VHS format. Heck, I didn't even know anyone was releasing anything other than 1.99 titles in VHS.

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I hear the Mini Cooper has now outsold the Yugo.
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Now that is a major accomplishment. HD and BD combined sales finally out sold the nearly dead VHS format. Heck, I didn't even know anyone was releasing anything other than 1.99 titles in VHS.

My original thread had:

Do they still release films in VHS btw? At least in Europe, I doubt it.

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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

usatoday

300 65/35 Blu-ray preference confirmed.

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So far, the Blu-ray Disc version of 300 is outselling the HD DVD version, 65% to 35%. According to Home Media Research, that mirrors the overall sales pattern this year (Jan-June), with Blu-ray accounting for 67% and 33% for HD DVD,.

Warner releases movies on both of the competing formats. Sony, Disney and Fox only support Blu-ray, while Universal exclusively supports HD DVD.

The Spider-Man films (Oct. 30) and Pirates of the Caribbean: At Worlds End (Dec. 4) are coming to Blu-ray later this year. Overall, released titles on Blu-ray outnumber HD DVD roughly 2-to-1. "Blu-ray tips the scales in its favor this holiday season," says Peter Bracke, editor-in-chief, High Def Digest. "It's going to be tough for HD DVD to keep pace."
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

hey BrettB, you are very fast : )I was just about to post it

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Earlier this week, Warner Home Video announced that their high definition releases of '300' sold a combined total of 250,000 units during its first week of sale. At that time, it was not revealed how many of those were Blu-ray and how many were HD DVD. Today, a blog post by USA Today writer Mike Snider indicates that the sales ratio was 65-to-35 in favor of Blu-ray, indicating around 163,000 copies of '300' on Blu-ray were sold.

So nearly twice as many units that moved were Blu Ray in spite of the fact that there is an added bonus feature on the HD-DVD. This combined with reports of sell outs and under-ordering of the title at many outlets, I'd say that this is a significant win in the Blu column.

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So nearly twice as many units that moved were Blu Ray in spite of the fact that there is an added bonus feature on the HD-DVD. This combined with reports of sell outs and under-ordering of the title at many outlets, I'd say that this is a significant win in the Blu column.
John, I guess we could take the other stance to. There is no difference in the percentages of this release vrs. the overall percentages even though the HD DVD is the much 'trashed' Combo format and costs 5.00 more then the BD disk.

BTW, I will wait for the real numbers to be posted before jumping to any conclusions. From the studios perspective, the only one that really counts for this title, it is a win for dual format releases. And with over 100k HD units sold, the profit loss for the remaining exclusive studios is going to make remaining exclusive that much more difficult.

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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

65/35 is around what most expected for its first week. I'm actually more interested in seeing where the ratio is for 300 at the end of the year.
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And with over 100k HD units sold, the profit loss for the remaining exclusive studios is going to make remaining exclusive that much more difficult.

Another reason why I'd like to see how subsequent weeks hold between the two formats. BD software tends to hold much better, enough that their exclusive studios probably still won't care about going nuetral.
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BTW, I will wait for the real numbers to be posted before jumping to any conclusions. From the studios perspective, the only one that really counts for this title, it is a win for dual format releases. And with over 100k HD units sold, the profit loss for the remaining exclusive studios is going to make remaining exclusive that much more difficult.

well there are several other exclusive titles with much bigger chance to exlipse this amazing numbers wich 300 did

the only other possible winner in Q4 will be TRANSFORMERS, that one can be overaall winner

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I'm just waiting for someone to post...
Not much news since High Def is only 2% of the market share....
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Just doing some quick Math:

Based on 65/35 split, that is 163K units for Bd and 87K unit for HD DVD

So with 3,000,000 plus BD players in the market, BD managed to sell to 5.4% of their installed base.

With 500-600K HD players in the market (this includes x-box add ons) HD managed to sell to about 14.5% of their installed base.

I think that is a pretty attractive sell through rate for the HD camp and shows a lot of customer loyalty to the HD DVD product.

Of course, Warner really only cares about units sold so maybe the comparison isn't meaningful for them but I would think Toshiba is pretty happy with that number.

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John, I guess we could take the other stance to. There is no difference in the percentages of this release vrs. the overall percentages even though the HD DVD is the much 'trashed' Combo format and costs 5.00 more then the BD disk.

How many HD DVD enthusiasts (percentage) don't like the combo format? Does that describe most "enthusiasts" here who view it as paying more for something they don't want (the DVD)? I get how a "walmart" shopper might like the idea of a combo... especially if they don't yet have an HD player. But for someone who already does have the HD player, it seems redundant (to me).
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Just doing some quick Math:

Based on 65/35 split, that is 163K units for Bd and 87K unit for HD DVD

So with 3,000,000 plus BD players in the market, BD managed to sell to 5.4% of their installed base.

With 500-600K HD players in the market (this includes x-box add ons) HD managed to sell to about 14.5% of their installed base.

I think that is a pretty attractive sell through rate for the HD camp and shows a lot of customer loyalty to the HD DVD product.

Of course, Warner really only cares about units sold so maybe the comparison isn't meaningful for them but I would think Toshiba is pretty happy with that number.

Dave

I wonder where did you get those numbers for players...

there are around 2mil BD players (PS+standalone), and there are around 450,000 HD-DVD players around (including addon)

so check your math again..

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well there are several other exclusive titles with much bigger chance to exlipse this amazing numbers wich 300 did
I personally doubt that any of these exclusive titles will do as well as 300. It has nothing to do with the title, but rather the fact that the exclusive studios limited their customer base. 7 months ago when there was only a small installed base of HD and BD users, limiting your install base to one side or the other made little difference. Now, with near 500k HD DVD players and 3.5 million PS3's and Blu-Ray plyers in the hands of the consumer, we are talking substantial profit losses for the exclusive studios.

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the only other possible winner in Q4 will be TRANSFORMERS, that one can be overaall winner

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Transformers, being a dual format release should do extermely well.

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How many HD DVD enthusiasts (percentage) don't like the combo format? Does that describe most "enthusiasts" here who view it as paying more for something they don't want (the DVD)? I get how a "walmart" shopper might like the idea of a combo... especially if they don't yet have an HD player. But for someone who already does have the HD player, it seems redundant (to me).
David, that is a good question that no one in this forum can answer. It is strickly a personal choice. But I have read many posts where the posted stated that they would not buy the HD DVD version because it is a Combo. I have yet to read one where the poster has said it was the selling point that made them decide to buy the HD DVD version.

As far as my personal preference on Combos, it is neither a make or break for me. But for new releases, I like them. It gives me flexibility on where I can watch the title. Until a good High Def portable player is designed, my Combos are appreciated.

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I personally doubt that any of these exclusive titles will do as well as 300. It has nothing to do with the title...

I disagree a bit with this. I still believe it has much to do with the title. The key factor being a day-and-date title. The real test, IMO, is how close BD day-and-date exclusives like Spider-man 3, etc. come to 300's numbers. Will they do as well as quickly, no. Will they do as well over time, harder to say.
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I disagree a bit with this. I still believe it has much to do with the title.
Paul, I should have been a little more clear. The title is certainly important, but I think as the install base on both formats expands, it becomes just as important for new releases.

I also agree that watching the number the first couple of weeks of release and looking at them a year later will be interesting, but if the present DVD model holds true, it is the first week or two where the highest profits exist for the studios. It is in this time that they can press the disks in a quantity high enough to maximize profits.

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As far as my personal preference on Combos, it is neither a make or break for me. But for new releases, I like them. It gives me flexibility on where I can watch the title. Until a good High Def portable player is designed, my Combos are appreciated.

That's true. Already my roomates are having "blu-ray issues" where they take the blu-ray discs upstairs and try to play them on the DVD player in the living room... without much success. Even after repeated explanations of how they won't work in DVD players... I see a BD sitting on the coffee table upstairs about twice a week... and I have to laugh that someone has tried it yet again...

With a combo-disc the consumer be able to play it in at least one disc-player in each movie-equippped room in the house (a house with an HD DVD player). Of course, they'd have to insert the disc right-side-up! That might be the biggest challenge of all... given how they can't seem to remember that BDs won't play in DVD drives.



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The real test, IMO, is how close BD day-and-date exclusives like Spider-man 3, etc. come to 300's numbers.

The problem with using Spidey 3 as a barometer is that the single release is way overpriced. The box set will also dilute those figures, and being high priced itself, will result in fewer sales anyway.

I'd say Pirates 3 would be a good indicator, but being number 3 in a trilogy that already sold tons on DVD, not on BD, will mess with the numbers as well. It depends on how many people are willing to buy the BD when they have the first 2 on DVD.
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Now that is a major accomplishment. HD and BD combined sales finally out sold the nearly dead VHS format. Heck, I didn't even know anyone was releasing anything other than 1.99 titles in VHS.


yes this is truly sad
but look out meatballs 4 drops on VHS 9/28 preorder on amazon now
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Of course, they'd have to insert the disc right-side-up! That might be the biggest challenge of all... given how they can't seem to remember that BDs won't play in DVD drives.



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Now that's just not funny. Come to think of it, it is. I am currently sitting by my portable trying to figure out if I have Disk 1 or Disk 2 of my copy of the Original Outer Limits Season one DVD's. Once I figure that out, I have to determine if it is side A or side B and I can't find my reading glasses. My eyes just aren't what they used to be.

The only saving grace with the Combo's is that only the HD side has writing.

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Thomas - So funny! I have the Outer Limits Season 1 set out on the coffee table and if I ever get my work done this evening, I was planning on watching an episode or two. My wife is away on business so I thought it would have been really cool to do a 27 and 1/2 hour marathon and watch the entire season, but as you know, I have WAY too much to do right now.

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I'd say Pirates 3 would be a good indicator, but being number 3 in a trilogy that already sold tons on DVD, not on BD, will mess with the numbers as well. It depends on how many people are willing to buy the BD when they have the first 2 on DVD.

How will this mess with the numbers at all? Do you really believe anyone who has purchased a Bluray player during the time when Dead Man's Chest was released on SD-DVD and the release of At World's End would choose to purchase the SD-DVD release of At World's End, just so they can complete their SD-DVD collection of the Pirates trilogy? It's much more likely that there will be a deal on all the Bluray releases of the Pirates films when At World's End streets and that will result in those people purchasing the entire trilogy in Bluray.

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