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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
Richard Casey, produder for R&H films, has threads at AVS discussing how he saw improvements with using the higher bit-rate of Blu-ray with advanced video compression codecs versus HD DVD. He also shared discussion about how HD DVD didn't have room for lossless audio and optimal picture quality with his title, so he went for better picture and provided lossy instead on the HD DVD (full lossless on the BD). His studio releases on both disc platforms and is giving equal support to both. He's not alone in his perception that increased bit-rate can improve picture quality: several other authoring personel who post at AVS (other than Amir, of course) have stated that they too see improvements in picture quality using the higher-bit-rate of Blu-ray Disc. Other studios have conducted their own bit-rate comparisons and come to similar conclusions (Disney). Paramount reps have already stated openly that they didn't have room for lossless audio on the high-profile HD DVD release of Transformers, which was the only reason it wasn't provided. The fact that some dual-disc HD DVD releases by WB were able to be released on single-disc BD also has benefits for many customers who don't enjoy disc-swapping to view SE content.
People here can debate about this, and can mimic the microsoft line that there's no benefit to increased bit-rate (that's exactly what MS wants us all to believe. Their latest ploy is that lossy DD is transparent as well, since there's not enough room for TrueHD on every HD DVD title). And that's fine to think whatever we want. We're not authoring content. But those in-the-know who are actually compressing video and aren't on Microsoft's bill (or allied with HD DVD) are well aware of how increased bit-rate can, in many cases, improve image quality and maintain greater transparency to the master. Anyone here is free to search at AVS to read their candid remarks. |
| Increased bit rate may or may not improve the quality of the image. I think again that it is over stating the situation to imply that a higher bit rate will improve the image on anything more than a small fraction of material out there. |
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
The only sources/studios telling us that bit-rate doesn't matter are those with financial incentives tied to Microsoft and the HD DVD camp. That implies (to me) that the tail is wagging the dog: defining transparency to reflect the limits of the technology rather than the other way around.
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| In the eyes of many studio and professional authoring personel, the "affected list" is great enough, and significant enough, to compell a case for BD. |
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Originally Posted by Romier S
Oh and spare me the whole "but he has power to control peoples minds and affect the outcome of this war!" nonsense. The myriad of BOGO sales going on and a concerted effort from bigger forums to hold mass Amazon sales drives have also affected this war to a greater degree on a weekly basis. As has price drops on hardware, advertising and any number of other factors that are FAR more important than a few rants from Bill Hunt on The Digital Bits. If you want to blame anyone for Bill Hunt continuing to be a public home theater figure that "wields dangerous EVIL power"...then blame yourselves for continuing to give him that power and attention. |
| To be perfectly honest David, as someone who doesn't own and HD DVD player and can only look at HD DVD on a hit or miss basis at a friend's house, you only have the opinions of others to go on. |
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Originally Posted by Averry
Bill Hunt says that you people, are just prolonging this war. If you would just stick with Blu-Ray, YOU would help end this silly conflict.
Bill Hunt, by advocating against neutrality, has decided to announce that he no longer cares about enjoying film. Bourne Ultimatum? I think everyone likes that movie right? Well, suck it up soldier, you're blu, and blu only. You can't even buy that movie in standard def. |
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
People here can debate about this, and can mimic the microsoft line that there's no benefit to increased bit-rate (that's exactly what MS wants us all to believe. Their latest ploy is that lossy DD is transparent as well, since there's not enough room for TrueHD on every HD DVD title). And that's fine to think whatever we want. We're not authoring content. But those in-the-know who are actually compressing video and aren't on Microsoft's bill (or allied with HD DVD) are well aware of how increased bit-rate can, in many cases, improve image quality and maintain greater transparency to the master. Anyone here is free to search at AVS to read their candid remarks.
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Originally Posted by John H Ross
That's not how read it at all. Bill's exact words were "By the way... for those of you thinking maybe it makes sense to buy BOTH Blu-ray and HD-DVD to cover your bases, it would frankly be smarter just to buy neither".
This particular sentence doesn't advocate Blu-ray. It advocates staying out of the war altogether and showing the studios that we ain't gonna buy their movie catalogues over again until they sort their act out. Which is what I'm doing. And boy, do I love watching movies on DVD! And what are you on about re: The Bourne Ultimatum? That movie is most definitely available in standard def. |
| Fact is, neither higher bandwidth or lossy vrs lossless has had any validation except it seems in your mind. Your facts are nothing more than assumptions. Until there is some real data to support your claims, I am guessing that you are just following the line Sony is pushing. |
| David, just how much time do you spend comming up with this BS. |
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
In fact, it was watching VC-1 on Warner discs that started me wondering if AVC was superior... since so many of Warner's titles look slightly soft in comparison to most other BD discs (mostly using AVC). However having seen some great VC-1 discs by other studios, I'm now wondering if I'm seeing bit-rate, or at least *filtering* on the part of WB to ease compression. I hear that the Potter films really push the bit-meter and are some fantastic VC-1 encodes. Can't wait to see them myself. |
| I suppose if I were to call your comments "BS" the administrators would chastize me? |
| Do you feel that HTF guidelines don't apply to you because you're pro HD DVD? |
| Within certain obvious limits you can call anyone's remarks "BS" on this forum, and you know very well that it's possible to do so even without using the term itself. Which doesn't mean we applaud such practices, BTW. But never call the person anything unnecessarily unfriendly. |
| Together with the mentioning of "the administrators" in your previous line that's an unnecessary suggestion as well: an uncalled for insinuation and you most probably know it's absolutely not true. |
Thanks for the clarification... 
| I don't see whether one format is tehnically superior to another as having anything to do with wider acceptance. |
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Originally Posted by John H Ross
That's not how read it at all. Bill's exact words were "By the way... for those of you thinking maybe it makes sense to buy BOTH Blu-ray and HD-DVD to cover your bases, it would frankly be smarter just to buy neither".
This particular sentence doesn't advocate Blu-ray. It advocates staying out of the war altogether and showing the studios that we ain't gonna buy their movie catalogues over again until they sort their act out. Which is what I'm doing. And boy, do I love watching movies on DVD! And what are you on about re: The Bourne Ultimatum? That movie is most definitely available in standard def. |
| Hmmm. It seems a fine line between calling a person's opinion "BS", and insulting them personally. |
| I'll keep my remarks to the issues, and not label anyone's opinion as "BS". |
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Originally Posted by Averry
He doesn't say, "don't buy hi def at all"
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| Yes he does. Quite clearly. "... if would frankly be smarter just to buy neither". |
| By the way... for those of you thinking maybe it makes sense to buy BOTH Blu-ray and HD-DVD to cover your bases |
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
John,
Bill says that only in the context of someone who: a) hasn't yet invested in either format and B) is considering just getting both to cover all the bases |
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Originally Posted by bigluigi
I'm going to go out on a limb here and propose something so drastic and simple that it may just shake up the foundation of the Capitalist system and that is......competition is good for business and aids consumers as well. Agree???? Disagree???
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It's great that instead of using cash flow to improve the product, it is being used to buy movie studios.
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Originally Posted by FrancisP
I may be speaking from a practical point but the question is how noticable are the differences between hd-dvd and bluray? Measurably, bluray may have an advantage over hd-dvd but unless you have a huge budget or have the ability to measure output, most people won't notice any difference.
Certainly the people that both formats are going to have to appeal to to win are not likely to notice any difference. I don't see whether one format is tehnically superior to another as having anything to do with wider acceptance. It seems luike this argument has gotten superfluous. |
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
John,
It's pretty funny... it's right there in black and white print and yet it still seems to cause such controversy... even just agreeing on what the man said! |
| #1 - Warner Bros (Best in Picture and Sound Quality, Extras, Innovation - Return to house on haunted hill) |
| Yep. |
| I don't see any point at all in having only one HD format. It's either everything or nothing IMHO. |
| And, as Bill points out, "nothing" is a far more effective way to end the war than "everything". |
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
Can you remember the name of the title that had that splotchy look? I remember there was one title that had some sort of manufacturing defect early on that caused a sort of "rot" of the reflective layer.
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