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**Official HTF HD Formats Ind./Retailer/Studio Support Thread-*SEE POST 3176, p. 106*
12/4/07 at 11:59am
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| What you don't understand is corporate politics. Microsoft wants both formats to fail so they can be heroes and make the world move to digital downloads. That is the dirty secret no one is talking about. That is why Microsoft is handing out $100 million dollar checks to studios just embrace the HD DVD and not the leading, and superior Blu Ray. They want confusion in the market until they perfect the digital downloads. Time will tell and you will see the truth. |
http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum...74&postcount=2
The return of Michael Bay.
12/4/07 at 1:59pm
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread
It would seem that the Writer's strike has now affected the format war. New material is desparately needed. On both sides.
12/4/07 at 2:27pm
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| It would seem that the Writer's strike has now affected the format war. New material is desparately needed. On both sides. |
Very funny....
12/4/07 at 5:49pm
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread
Looks like Sony is trying to kill physical media as well with the launch of their VOD service. It'll start off small with a launch in Japan and will be geared towards motoring fans initially... but it's headed towards movies of course:http://www.gamesradar.com/us/ps3/gam...14115917309058
12/4/07 at 5:59pm
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread
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Originally Posted by Marc Colella
Looks like Sony is trying to kill physical media as well with the launch of their VOD service. It'll start off small with a launch in Japan and will be geared towards motoring fans initially... but it's headed towards movies of course:
http://www.gamesradar.com/us/ps3/gam...14115917309058 So is Bill Hunt going to rant about Sony killing the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray? |
So are you going to make another snarky comment or will you (and everyone else) move on?
Edward
12/4/07 at 6:09pm
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Originally Posted by Edward Schatz
So are you going to make another snarky comment or will you (and everyone else) move on?
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Why move on? The point of MS killing off physical media was brought up, and this is a counter to that. I don't quite understand your objection.
12/4/07 at 8:57pm
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Originally Posted by Marc Colella
Why move on? The point of MS killing off physical media was brought up, and this is a counter to that. I don't quite understand your objection.
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Because the long knives are out for Bill Hunt, particularly on this thread. It's getting really tiresome. I subscribed to this thread for studio support info, not lame bashing of a guy some people either don't agree with or actively hate. Bill Hunt's site is billed as an enthusiast one, not a hard news, unbiased one. Really. Get over it. If he wants to "rant" or write lengthy posts, let him. Why does he need to be brought up for stupid reasons like, "wonder if he'll rant again?"
Edward
12/5/07 at 2:28am
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread
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Originally Posted by Edward Schatz
Because the long knives are out for Bill Hunt, particularly on this thread. It's getting really tiresome. I subscribed to this thread for studio support info, not lame bashing of a guy some people either don't agree with or actively hate. Bill Hunt's site is billed as an enthusiast one, not a hard news, unbiased one. Really. Get over it. If he wants to "rant" or write lengthy posts, let him. Why does he need to be brought up for stupid reasons like, "wonder if he'll rant again?"
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Actually, you're the one who needs to get over it. If reading posts about him bother you, then you can ignore those posts... or this whole thread. I don't like all the discussions in this thread, or all the threads for that matter... but I choose to ignore the things I don't like.
But since you cried about it, and since I'm a helluva nice guy - I removed the un-offensive reference to Bill Hunt. The point of my post still stands.
12/5/07 at 2:50am
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread
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Originally Posted by Marc Colella
Actually, you're the one who needs to get over it. If reading posts about him bother you, then you can ignore those posts... or this whole thread. I don't like all the discussions in this thread, or all the threads for that matter... but I choose to ignore the things I don't like.
But since you cried about it, and since I'm a helluva nice guy - I removed the un-offensive reference to Bill Hunt. The point of my post still stands. |
Cried? Hardly. Perhaps over how juvenile this affair is, I might. In reality, I just asked you to conduct a discourse like a civil adult.
Edward
12/5/07 at 9:24am
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I'm just wondering why the masses haven't rallied and accused Michael Bay of being a "Sony shill"?
12/5/07 at 10:08am
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We don't want to insult Sony by associating Bay with them, maybe?David, not meaning to be coy, but I think it is partly because Bay spouts idiotic statements off of the cuff all of the time and then retracts them, so we tend to ignore him. His latest rants about a MS payoff were put to rest months ago.
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12/5/07 at 10:19am
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread
Here ya go David.
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/dvdpvr/0,390...9294617,00.htm
12/5/07 at 10:49am
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Because MS said they didn't pay Paramount *directly*?
12/5/07 at 10:58am
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread
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Originally Posted by Edward Schatz
Because the long knives are out for Bill Hunt, particularly on this thread. It's getting really tiresome. I subscribed to this thread for studio support info, not lame bashing of a guy some people either don't agree with or actively hate. Bill Hunt's site is billed as an enthusiast one, not a hard news, unbiased one. Really. Get over it. If he wants to "rant" or write lengthy posts, let him. Why does he need to be brought up for stupid reasons like, "wonder if he'll rant again?"
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If you will research this very same thread, I believe, you'll find a few posts by Mr Hunt defending his biased position. It makes for interesting reading and you'll find that no "long knives" were present and these posts were totally civilized.
Format-war discussion is permitted in this thread so if any member chooses to disagree with Mr Hunt's viewpoints, they are free to do so just as you are free to rant on Mr Hunt's behalf. But, believe me, Mr Hunt has perfected the art of ranting to new levels and doesn't need your help. His "meltdown" after the Paramount/Dreamworks announcement is the best example.
12/5/07 at 11:13am
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
I'm just wondering why the masses haven't rallied and accused Michael Bay of being a "Sony shill"?
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Because unless he is talking about slow-motion sweeping circle around heroes picking themselves up out of the dirt so that they are framed against an amber sky while a score as subtle as a brick wall underscores the whole thing, then we just assume he has no idea what he is talking about.
I just don't think any of us take him seriously when it comes to the HD format discussion.
12/5/07 at 11:20am
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| I just don't think any of us take him seriously when it comes to the HD format discussion. |
12/5/07 at 12:04pm
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Onkyo is NOT dropping their player: the italian magazine got it wrong:http://www.avmagazine.it/news/sorgen...naio_2678.html
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Tecnofuturo, Italian distributor of Onkyo products, has called us this morning to tell us that the Japanese brand has not stopped the production of reader HD DVD DV-HD805 and that starting from January / early February 2008, the reader will again be available in stores. The news had reported that there was the result of a misunderstanding linked to the first delivery extremely contingentata the player and now it remains to be understood if the reader will remain identical to the model Toshiba HD-XE1 or / and will be repositioning price after the Christmas holidays.
12/5/07 at 12:24pm
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread
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Originally Posted by bigluigi
This post is somewhat scary. You seem to want to forbid any criticism members of this forum may have concerning Mr Hunt's biased viewpoints.
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12/5/07 at 2:02pm
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
Because MS said they didn't pay Paramount *directly*?
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12/5/07 at 2:09pm
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We all believe what we want. Each source is either taking MS at their word that they didn't assist financially, or not. If MS saying that they didn't assist "dispels the rumor" for a particular person, then it's dispelled. If that assurance doesn't close the matter for someone else, then it's not dispelled.No one has scrutinized MS's and Toshiba's financial records to verify what's really going on. The only reason we know about the Toshiba pay-off to Paramount is because they made the offer and the cat got out of the bag. Officially, Paramount's PR department still doesn't mention it.
The biggest conspiracy theorists we've seen in the war thus far were the folks who persisted for months that we'd never see dual-layer 50GB BD discs, despite the information to the contrary.
p.s. none of this is in direct defense of M. Bay who, as has been noted, tends to spout off quite a bit on topics that he may or may not know much about...
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread
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Originally Posted by TravisR
I'd like to see people drop it because everything that can be said about the topic has been said many, many times.
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Ditto.
I also think Paul nailed it right on the head! LMFAO!
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12/5/07 at 2:36pm
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Originally Posted by PeterMano
WTF happened to quality? Cheaper players mean cheaper components. I want a quality player that will last me several years, not a cheaply built pile of junk that I throw out after a year. I have a sony 7000 dvd player that is 10 years old, not only does is still work, it works well.
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BTW, the XA2 is no longer listed as an available product on the Toshiba WEB site.
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12/5/07 at 3:54pm
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread
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Originally Posted by DavidJ
Because unless he is talking about slow-motion sweeping circle around heroes picking themselves up out of the dirt so that they are framed against an amber sky while a score as subtle as a brick wall underscores the whole thing, then we just assume he has no idea what he is talking about.
I just don't think any of us take him seriously when it comes to the HD format discussion. |
I'm not sure anyone takes him seriously as a director of motion pictures.
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12/5/07 at 6:05pm
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread
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Originally Posted by bigluigi
This post is somewhat scary. You seem to want to forbid any criticism members of this forum may have concerning Mr Hunt's biased viewpoints.
If you will research this very same thread, I believe, you'll find a few posts by Mr Hunt defending his biased position. It makes for interesting reading and you'll find that no "long knives" were present and these posts were totally civilized. Format-war discussion is permitted in this thread so if any member chooses to disagree with Mr Hunt's viewpoints, they are free to do so just as you are free to rant on Mr Hunt's behalf. But, believe me, Mr Hunt has perfected the art of ranting to new levels and doesn't need your help. His "meltdown" after the Paramount/Dreamworks announcement is the best example. |
I'm happy to learn that I've now gained the ability to somewhat scare people. I never thought I'd be that intimidating. Mr. Hunt did defend his position, and there have been a few posts regarding that position that were intelligent and free of petty comments and puerile rants. Please point to where I "ranted." I usually think of a rant, on a message board, as some long and angry post with almost violent like qualities if it were live. There are no such aspects found in my posts about this matter. All I asked is that people stop with the irrelevant speculation on whether or not Bill Hunt will "rant" coupled with all the other comments about him personally. The topic has been beaten to death. Another poster in this thread said it well, drop it. It is tiring, boring and otherwise fruitless. You like HD-DVD, good for you. You like Blu-Ray, very nice. Keep it to that, get over Bill Hunt. The guy isn't the puppeteer behind the nefarious forces driving a format war. Get a grip.
Edward
12/5/07 at 10:26pm
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread
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Originally Posted by Edward Schatz
I'm happy to learn that I've now gained the ability to somewhat scare people. I never thought I'd be that intimidating. Mr. Hunt did defend his position, and there have been a few posts regarding that position that were intelligent and free of petty comments and puerile rants. Please point to where I "ranted." I usually think of a rant, on a message board, as some long and angry post with almost violent like qualities if it were live. There are no such aspects found in my posts about this matter. All I asked is that people stop with the irrelevant speculation on whether or not Bill Hunt will "rant" coupled with all the other comments about him personally. The topic has been beaten to death. Another poster in this thread said it well, drop it. It is tiring, boring and otherwise fruitless. You like HD-DVD, good for you. You like Blu-Ray, very nice. Keep it to that, get over Bill Hunt. The guy isn't the puppeteer behind the nefarious forces driving a format war. Get a grip.
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Well pardon me for believing otherwise and for also believing that my opinions of this format war and its outcome are just as relevant as Mr Hunt's. You may think them tiring, boring and otherwise fruitless, but as a member of this forum, I have the right to express these opinions whether you agree with them or not.
Personally, I have nothing against Mr Hunt. As a matter of fact, I was a regular reader of "The Digital Bits" for many years and I still am. I just think it was a huge mistake on his part to promote one format over the other at this early stage of the game and YES...I do believe he is one of the paid puppeteers behind the nefarious forces driving this format war.
12/5/07 at 10:40pm
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread
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Originally Posted by bigluigi
*sigh* Just another long winded posting with the same Blu-ray fanboy message...Mr Hunt can say no wrong.
Well pardon me for believing otherwise and for also believing that my opinions of this format war and its outcome are just as relevant as Mr Hunt's. You may think them tiring, boring and otherwise fruitless, but as a member of this forum, I have the right to express these opinions whether you agree with them or not. Personally, I have nothing against Mr Hunt. As a matter of fact, I was a regular reader of "The Digital Bits" for many years and I still am. I just think it was a huge mistake on his part to promote one format over the other at this early stage of the game and YES...I do believe he is one of the paid puppeteers behind the nefarious forces driving this format war. |
When did I ever question the value of your opinions on the format war? Is the format war equivalent to Bill Hunt? When did I say Bill Hunt can do no wrong? Answer to all the aforementioned: never! Refrain from making ignorant remarks like "fanboy" which serve as nothing more than another petty insult in the pantheon of petty remarks. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when it comes to which format I prefer, own and use. It only serves to make you look even more ignorant. That's fine for you to think Mr. Hunt was mistaken in his choice to support Blu-Ray. You are more than welcome to that belief. You can express yourself somewhere else, because for the purposes of industry/retailer/studio support, it has no place here. Bill Hunt is none of them.
Edward
12/6/07 at 4:38am
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread
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Originally Posted by Edward Schatz
Refrain from making ignorant remarks like "fanboy" which serve as nothing more than another petty insult in pantheon of petty remarks. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when it comes to which format I prefer, own and use. It only serves to make you look even more ignorant. That's fine for you to think Mr. Hunt was mistaken in his choice to support Blu-Ray. You are more than welcome to that belief. You can express yourself somewhere else, because for the purposes of industry/retailer/studio support, it has no place here. Bill Hunt is none of them.
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Otherwise, I assume that you are enjoying the banter, as you are continuing to respond to it. BTW, in my opinion, the banter is perfectly fine.
One final thought. HTF has some fine moderators. When they deem that a topic is straying too far of course I assume they will step in and advise a change. I have not seen that happen with regards to this topic.
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12/6/07 at 6:48am
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread
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Originally Posted by Edward Schatz
= fanboy in denial? Again I ask, why are HD-DVD supports so horrified by the idea that Microsoft paid off Paramount to support their format? They argue that BD did it! It's ok! But if someone allgees that the HD-DVD camp did it, well god that's just a bitter "fanboy." The fact is, most BD supports are POed that Paramount/Dreamworks picked sides over some paltry some of money. Mr. Boulet has laid out a good number of arguments as to why the Paramount claim that HD-DVD is technologically superior is bogus. Believe what you will - but the hatred of Bill Hunt is embarrassing - at best. Merely a group of people who want to gang up on a BD supporter because they are so thourghly convinced their "side" is the right and righteous one.
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This is an earlier post you wrote in response to a post by Adam Gregorich in which you imply that he is a "fanboy in denial." Who the fanboy in denial, I think, is rather obvious.
12/6/07 at 7:13am
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread
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Originally Posted by bigluigi
Well pardon me for believing otherwise and for also believing that my opinions of this format war and its outcome are just as relevant as Mr Hunt's. You may think them tiring, boring and otherwise fruitless...
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What I do find annoying, boring and pointless is discussing Bill Hunt's POV on the format war. That includes when he cheerleads Blu Ray at The Digital Bits or when people talk about him on a message board like he's the antichrist because he picked Blu Ray. He's made his choice and that choice has been discussed to death.
