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Then Bill Hunt and his BS need to be called out. It's a constant stream every week of ridiculous anti HD DVD statements.
I'm not a SONY hater. The only reason I have HD DVD is it was cheaper and Blu Ray didn't have it together initially. And the argument is there that they still don't.
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"Today’s announcement does not include films directed by Steven Spielberg as his films are not exclusive to either format."
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Steven directed all of the Indy movies.
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He did Direct them, but he doesn't own them. Lucas does. That statement is talking about the films Spielberg directed for Dream Works, which Spielberg owns outright..
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And after evaluating came to the conclusion to stop releasing on the better-selling format because it made good business sense.
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If they are getting that kind of cash infusion, or honestly believe that HD-DVD will sell a lot of players this fall (figuring in the influence that them going one way would have), sure it makes good business sense. At this point, exclusivity deals probably pay better than releasing the software.
As to who pays... I wouldn't be shocked if it was mostly Toshiba, as opposed to ALL MICROSOFT TO KILL DISC-BASED MEDIA. Toshiba stands to reap big rewards if HD-DVD becomes the next standard - don't they own all the relevant patents, while BD's are distributed among the members of their consortium. If HD-DVD becomes the next standard, they're making a lot of money for the next ten years; if it doesn't, they're kind of screwed. It makes just as much sense for them to be throwing a lot of money around as it does for Microsoft.
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So Fox is planning to make an announcement later? That's like vaporware squared compared to what Paramount just did.
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Agreed. I'm just going to stop buying HD media and stick with DVD. It looks pretty darn good upscaled on my Sony 50" A2000. Knowing how long Lucas and Spielberg waited with DVD before releasing their big films, the longer this war drags out the less likely that I'll be able to view my favorite movies in HD.
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Yep. The war is over. The winner - DVD and standard definition.
Thanks a lot to the fools at Sony, Microsoft, Toshiba, Disney, Universal, Fox, and Paramount. The only studio I reserve my wrath for is Warner, the only "true" neutral studio - for the time being.
And it looks like Fox is about to counterstrike:
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...ease_Plans/875
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I think it stinks that Paramount has gone hd-dvd only. I am not one of the "anti-hd dvd" people, but many have invested in blu-ray, and so the format war goes on longer. For any blu-ray fans, here is the phone number at Paramount, ask for the home video department and tell them (in a nice way) that we want both formats released until one is the winner. IWe have purchased many movies from Paramount on VHS, laserdisc, dvd, and now they slap us in the face for choosing one of the two formats.
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I just want to add that as much as HTF officially hates format war discussions, I love them. We're in the midst of history in the making, and I am glad that HTF did not completely ban these discussions when they reacted (IMO over-reacted) a couple weeks ago. These discussions take me all the way back to the days of Apple vs Commodore. Thanks HTF!
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I just want to add that as much as HTF officially hates format war discussions, I love them. We're in the midst of history in the making, and I am glad that HTF did not completely ban these discussions when they reacted (IMO over-reacted) a couple weeks ago. These discussions take me all the way back to the days of Apple vs Commodore. Thanks HTF!
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I guess that's true. I'm not a fan of watching car accidents, though. This one has body parts all over the place. It's as if the home video industry watched Godard's
Weekend and said, "Hey, that tracking shot that ends in the terrible accident? Let's do that to High Definition on home video!"
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I'm sure all the lawyers for the parties involved vetted this move to make sure no anti-trust laws are being violated.
Has anyone holding the position that Microsoft is behind this in an effort to sabotage physical media in favor of downloading done any research into what fees if any they receive for the use of their VCI encoding used on almost all HD DVD releases? Perhaps they see this as a revenue stream?
That 150 mil. is probably more than all studios combined have made on HD DVD and BD disc sales to date, don't blame Paramount/DW for jumping on that. I'd be interested to know what kind of financial incentives were offered by the BD group to Fox, Lion's Gate, etc--maybe Bill Hunt can find out for us.
The Paramount press release points out that HD DVD is cheaper to get into and more complete as far as specs--both of which are valid arguments at this point in time. I suspect that Paramount/DW were made aware of even lower HD DVD player prices for the upcoming holiday season, presenting them with the possibility of a large enough installed base of players with a high enough attach rate (i.e. not game machines) to make revenues from HD releases actually significant rather than the drop in the bucket they are now.
Like it or not, the admission price for the consumer is going to determine whether HD optical disc is going to succeed. I sell HDTVs for a living at a major retailer and the vast majority of customers willing to spend $3.5k on a 52" Sammy LCD won't spend more than $129 for an SD dvd player, just as they won't buy anything better than a $299 HTIB for a sound system. A $199 HD player will sell to these folks, a $499 one won't, and these are the people who will determine whether HD optical disc succeeds or fails.
The download threat is frankly non-existent as far as these people are concerned. They want physical media they can hold in their hands, loan to friends, buy or sell used, keep forever in a collection on a shelf. It should be remembered that most people are still watching SD tvs, and most have a choice between buying or renting dvd or using pay-per-view or on-demand for watching SD movies, and the easy availability of PPV or On Demand hasn't hurt the dvd market one bit.
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So if I read all these posts correctly if the same studios were announcing they were going BluRay only the majority of posters would be happy?
I believe the higher manufacturing cost of BluRays and the fact that other studios would have to have that work done by Sony are very valid factor to consider.
I can't wait to see how Sony responds.
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Bill Hunt tells it straight. The story -- the news story -- is the antitrust, and is appropriately placed at the head of his column. The only bit of bias is his hope that HD-DVD will still end, but, that doesn't change the fact that he recognizes what the most important part of the situation is -- the part that is going to bring in the Feds. The reporting is accurate.
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Bill telling it straigt?
Blu bias all over it. What else is new.
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So if I read all these posts correctly if the same studios were announcing they were going BluRay only the majority of posters would be happy?
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I can't speak for anyone else, but if Universal and Weinstein Co. decided to go neutral I'd be okay with it, but if they pulled a Paramount and dropped HD-DVD I'd be equally as pissed on behalf of those who invested in the format only to have one of the major supporters pull the plug.
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I'm speechless............
I really did not see this coming. In fact, when I saw the first press release I was certain that it was a prank. I never expected ANY studio to drop a format, however, I did expect the ones who were sided with only one format to eventually go neutral. I am sorry for those who are BD only today. Of course, the dual format people are nullified in this case.
What's so shocking is how VIOLENT this decision appears to be. I mean, I'm sure that copies of
Blades of Glory
are likely already pressed and ready to ship, so why not simply release it? Perhaps there is more going on behind the scenes than we know and a major fallout between Paramount and the BDA erupted?
Anyway, my position form day one has been that ALL studios should be neutral. Now it seems that there's only one neutral studio left, but for how long? I think that if it had been WHV who had did this, many of us would not have been that surprised, but Paramount? This was completely out of left field. It will be interesting to see what New Lineand Criterion
ultimately decide to do (if anything at all) in the coming weeks.
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