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This is the Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread.

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I took someone's advice and called Target re: no Toshiba decks online. I interacted with a computer for a few minutes and it was ultimately pointless. Then I tried the email and got back this response;

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Dear Brett B,

We appreciate your interest in purchasing the "Toshiba HD DVD
players ".

Unfortunately, as our web site indicates, we're currently out of
stock of this item and we are not able to guarantee if this item
will be available for purchase on our web site in the future. For
this reason, the item is currently not listed on our web site.

Please note that our supply of some items is limited and these
products sell out quickly. I am very sorry that you were not able to
place your order before our supply ran out.

I know how disappointing it can be when you aren’t able to get the
item you’ve got your eyes on, so I’m sorry if we’ve let you down.

As we rely on our suppliers for the inventories, we can't offer a
definite date when it will be on hand again, and because of this,
we're not able to make it available for ordering at this time.

However, we kindly request you to check back soon. Our inventory is
constantly changing so we may get the item back in stock.

I can understand this may cause inconvenience but you may check with
your local store to see if they have this item in stock (we are
unable to check store inventory here). If you want to find the store
nearest you, click the "Store Locator" link at the bottom of our
home page.

If your local Target store does not have the item in stock, they
will be able to search availability for the item from a Target store
in the surrounding area.

Unfortunately, we don't have access to check store inventory here.

We're sorry for this inconvenience.

I hope we can be of more help to you in the future.

Seems pretty canned.
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I'm pretty sure this is only so they can move in the new models in October. I imagine the HD players are pretty low volume items that just aren't selling at a rate which they could clear out a new set of inventory before ordering/stocking the newer models. Now, if come October they still aren't online...

DVD & Blu-ray - It's all about the movies!
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Exactly, Chris. This will resolve itself in due time. For now it is merely another way to poke at the opposition , which is frankly getting tiresome, even for me.
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Yeah it seems pretty clear that its just a matter of being a discontinued item.

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I took someone's advice and called Target re: no Toshiba decks online. I interacted with a computer for a few minutes and it was ultimately pointless. Then I tried the email and got back this response;
Seems pretty canned.
Looks more like a form letter.
Quote:
I can understand this may cause inconvenience but you may check with
your local store to see if they have this item in stock (we are
unable to check store inventory here). If you want to find the store
nearest you, click the "Store Locator" link at the bottom of our
home page.

If your local Target store does not have the item in stock, they
will be able to search availability for the item from a Target store
in the surrounding area.
It makes reference to checking back at the local stores when the product has been discontinued at the B&M locations.

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It makes reference to checking back at the local stores when the product has been discontinued at the B&M locations.

Actually, it makes reference to checking back at the local stores when the product has never been at the B&M locations to begin with, which is even worse.

Anyway, like Brett said, "...ultimately pointless".
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Universal's Kornblau Wants Format War to Continue

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I had been hearing over the last few days that various Blu-ray Disc manufacturers have been offering Universal plenty of incentives to join the parade but that Universal was walking away from the table every time without any reasonable objection.
Now we know why.

Universal president Craig Kornblau told me this week that the studio actually wants the format war to continue.
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WOW.


Brett,

that's the most informative article yet on Universal's position. Wow. thanks for sharing!!!

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So that’s the story. Universal did not want the format war and Kornblau believes the studio did not initiate the war, but he and the studio are now intentionally and strategically keeping the format war alive for what they believe is for the good of the consumer, retailers and studios while awaiting a clear consumer preference for Blu-ray or HD DVD once prices drop to $200. Universal chose HD DVD because costs were lower and it had about a year’s head-start on some interactive features and web connectivity.

Okay, Kornblau has always been straight with me so I have no reason to believe he doesn’t truly believe most, if not all of that.

But if consumers are already showing a 2-1 Blu-ray preference for every movie released in both formats months before Blu-ray introduces its more sophisticated web-connected and interactive features and even while HD DVD is riding a low-price advantage of about $150 - $200, it’s difficult to envision consumers becoming less interested in Blu-ray when all those features debut amid a flurry of the year’s biggest movies exclusively on Blu-ray.

I can understand Universal wanting full support for interactive web-features in BD hardware. But I also agree with the writer that given the consumer support for BD over HD DVD even on the same titles where web-features are offered on the HD DVD (300), it's unlikely that when profile 1.1 BD players hit the streets this fall, that consumer support for BD will diminish.



Does anyone know if web-connectivity is a required part of the profile 1.1 spec or just optional?
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Does anyone know if web-connectivity is a required part of the profile 1.1 spec or just optional?
Again, per linkage in 'that other thread,' 1.1 largely codifies what is necessary for BD-J: it mandates 256k persistent memory and a second video decoder. It doesn't address Web-enablement at all to my knowledge. That is 2.0, which mandates 1G of memory and the Ethernet port.
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Thanks Paul. Irk... I was hoping that Universal might "get what they're looking for" by fall. If they have to wait for 2.0 for web connectivity, that would suck.

though it is ironic (as the writer of the article pointed out) that the studios makes such a sticking point on this issue when it comes to supporting HD DVD, yet their provision of web-interative features on their HD DVD releases is virtually nill!
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Re the Hettrick piece, which is not quite a news story and not quite an editorial (but leans in the direction of the latter): this is ground most of us have covered before but I would be much more comfortable if the piece was presented as a straight q & a interview of Kornblau. Hettrick presents the occasional direct Kornblau quote in the midst of a lot of his own prose, seemingly presenting and then expounding upon largely/only that which corroborates his perspectives as the editor of a openly pro-BD Website. If he spoke to Craig for so long, why so few direct quotes?

And I found his penultimate sentence a rude affront to the filmmakers involved in those movies. "I Now Pronounce" looked offensive enough to me in concept that it was clearly not enough for a non-Sandler fan such as myself to open my wallet. But I think it inappropriate for an industry trade editor to display that kind of cheek in the press. Scott Hettrick is not Peter Bart.
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Personally, I believe Universal is just playing the double-dipping game. And it just happens to be accross formats. They are selling movies in a format (HDDVD) that I believe is going to go under. While HD penetration is low, sell to that format exclusively and make money from the "poor saps" holding to that format... Boom, then when HD DVD goes away, they get to make more money on the same content AGAIN... Just my opinion of course. I dont think that was their plan all along, but now that this is the situation, they have NOTHING to lose. They understand that the money "lost" in BR now will be made at a later date while taking profits from a dying format now.
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CRyan,

Universal certainly is the king of double dipping (or quintouple-dipping. Just how many versions of the Haunting and Mummy are there on dvd???).

I do think their grip with the over-relaxed spec requirements of BD hardware are legit however, and as a BD supporter I wish that profile 2.0 had been finalized and required in ALL HARDWARE day one.

But even if their original plan to support HD DVD was based on legit gripes with BD interactive spec-requirements, it's quite possible that now even as consumers are consistently demonstrating their preference for BD, that Universal's "hold out" position is to maximize profits... which they'll do if they hold onto HD DVD a little longer.
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I had heard that there was a rift between Universal and Sony before the formats were release. Universal was originally a blu-ray exclusive studio. (again before they were released)

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Also re Hettrick:
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Meanwhile Blu-ray promises even more dynamic connectivity features with its new "BD Live" component in Blu-ray players and titles coming as early as this fall, as well as further enhancements to its "BD-J" interactive technology.
We've been down this road before too: this is complete speculation at this point. If Hettrick has official statements from manufs that Profile 2.0 players are coming this fall (unlikely, as we would be seeing press releases directly from them), then he should spill. Otherwise, callate already. Denon has announced a $2k 1.1 player. 1.1 is mandatory as of October 31. It seems very unlikely to me that, in November and December, we'll see a flood of 2.0-compliant BD players.

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While HD penetration is low, sell to that format exclusively and make money from the "poor saps" holding to that format... Boom, then when HD DVD goes away, they get to make more money on the same titles AGAIN...
And, to the extent I've bought instead of Netflixed, I'll maybe sell those titles. But I can also keep them to enjoy on the HD DVD player that I will likely retain for its insane upscampling abilities on SD (unless the Panny DMP-BD10 I hope to receive in a couple of weeks equals or surpasses it).

Meanwhile, I'll continue enjoying Casino, Apollo 13 and, upon release this fall, the outstanding Inside Man.
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though it is ironic (as the writer of the article pointed out) that the studios makes such a sticking point on this issue when it comes to supporting HD DVD, yet their provision of web-interative features on their HD DVD releases is virtually nill!
FWIW, Kevin Collins spoke to this issue at HME. Although I think there's spin therein, he mentioned the amount of time it has taken developers to learn the code and author such content. One could suppose there's an element of truth there since iHD is a new platform compared to the global ubiquity of Java.

Wouldn't it be fab if the BDA/BD-exclusive studios--with programmers already well-versed in Java all over the world--use all this time between last summer and whenever the hell Profile 2.0 hardware drops to coordinate with said hardware the near simultaneous release of a wide slate of non-gimmicky BD-J titles?
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In regards to double dipping, Universal is certainly NOT alone...let's be fair. How many times have we gotten Underworld and how many MiB editions are there. The 13 going on 30 and Flirty Edition? Alot of these studios release their films again and again.
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Thanks, Tim. The only reason I didn't chime in on that is because I think your point is so obvious that it goes without saying.

And at least U didn't make like Sony and re-release pan & scan-only versions of classics like Guess Who's Coming To Dinner with the same SKU as its widescreen predecessor, a I think unprecedented slap making collectors' lives more difficult.

-p

P.S. - If you're referring to the 1999 Jan de Bont-directed Haunting, that's a DreamWorks movie . . . released only twice on DVD . . . the second time to include a killer DTS track.
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In todays 2cent of the digital bits, Bill Hunt has something to say about the missing time frame between the video segments. This is where the highly debated Graffeo comment about being under pressure from GE got lost. I must say, it looks like Ben Williams was right after all and it is a shame that he was lost for HTF as reviewer as a result as he told me.
Bottom line is, Universal IS under pressure from above, which makes a switch more likely in my opinion. Kornblau then seems just to uphold the official policy until the switch occurs.

this is the transcript from digital bits:


Audience member: My question is, from the studio perspective, are you feeling the pressure of being the only HD-DVD sole studio?

Graffeo: Don't forget about Weinstein.

Another audience member: Major studio.

Audience member: Major studio. Can you talk to that?

[unintelligible comment from a panelist or audience member]

Graffeo: I feel it every day. [audience laughter] And I will also say that we're owned by GE, so we do hear about it a lot. [more audience laughter]

link: www.thedigitalbits.com
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Well,

It looks like DarkHorizions weighed in today on the topic. Their vote? Go Neutral if you want in, neither's really got a major end-product advantage, and HD will be today's Laserdisc.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/070809a.php

I personally disagree with him, I seriously disagree with his estimation of the Digital Delivery market because I think storage and bandwidth(At his target level) are alot further out then he's considering.

But, at the end of the day, Garth knows a heck'uva lot more than I do about the topic, so I'm going to give his words some thought.
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
Brett,

that's the most informative article yet on Universal's position. Wow. thanks for sharing!!!

I agree, very nice article.

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"Universal president Craig Kornblau told me this week that the studio actually wants the format war to continue."
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This makes sense of course, but what is the ultimate reason for this? I guess they could just release films in both formats (like WB and Paramount) and let the customer base decide the outcome.

In any case, interesting article.

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I must say, it looks like Ben Williams was right after all and it is a shame that he was lost for HTF as reviewer as a result as he told me.

Your response has made me quite angry.

For you to come on this forum and accuse us of wrongly
misrepresenting a video presentation and letting a staff member
go under false pretenses is an insult of the highest order.

I am the guy that videotaped that entire event. As noted on
the presentation page itself this represents the first 63 minutes
(more or less) of the debate. I estimate the debate went on
approx. 15 minutes longer, but shooting in HD, I did not have
enough storage to capture it all.

Yes, there is an edit in the tape. I had to put the camcorder down
and switch to a body tripod because my back was giving out from
holding it in my hand. It took me approximately 2-3 minutes to
change to a body tripod, and by the time I resumed the video I
was in the middle of Ken discussing (I believe) a particular release.
It certainly was not during any of the crucial statements that have
been questioned.

Nothing was intentionally removed from that video at anyone's
request. To even think that we would blatantly misrepresent an
event such as this one in order to preserve the integrity of a
particular studio or format is ludicrous.

Furthermore...

I wasn't going to talk openly about this because there is no need
for us to badmouth anyone that we let go as a reviewer. However,
in light of accusations being made at us, let me reveal some facts.

Ben Williams absolutely, positively and without a doubt went on
a message board and misrepresented the facts concerning this debate.
Since you weren't actually at the debate Mr. Hanser, I'm surprised
that you could make a judgement so quickly and with much confidence.

Did you know that Mr. Williams claimed in his post that Ken Graffeo
was so frustrated with all the abuse he was getting that he just walked
out of the room? I think the videotape will show that it was announced
that Ken had a plane to catch. You even see Ken walking out of the
room with attendees applauding as he shakes hands.

Mr. Williams also claims that Bill Hunt was out of control, lashing
out repeatedly at Ken Graffeo. Watch the video and I think you'll
see that Mr. Hunt was rather polite and that this wasn't a Bill Hunt vs.
Ken Graffeo event.

Furthermore, Mr. Williams made slanderous remarks about Robert
Zohn from Value Electronics saying that he was calling Sony "jerks."
While there was no camcorder rolling when he stood up and made
remarks about Sony, anyone in attendance can tell you that he certainly
did not call anyone "jerks."

To me, it looks like we had an individual in the audience who could
not wait to get on his computer, go to the Blu-Ray forum and post
absolute lies about what happened at this event in order to bolster
support for his format of choice.

I personally called Ben Williams immediately after his remarks
were posted and confronted him about the lies. Ben admitted to
me that he did not know that Ken Graffeo had a plane to catch
and perhaps misunderstood Robert Zohn's remarks about Sony.
Yet, despite this, there is absolutely no apology being offered to
either one of them.

As a then representative of this forum, Mr. Williams put us in a
very bad position with his remarks. Do you know how difficult it
was to get Mr. Graffeo to our event? He came to the panel knowing
damn well that he would be attacked. In fact, what you probably
don't know is that the HD-DVD group invited the Blu-Ray group to
openly debate them at this event, but unfortunately, Andy Parsons
and his team were overseas. Ken Graffeo and his group opened
themselves up to be taken to task, so don't think for a second that
anyone went running away.

If Mr. Williams has failed to issue an apology at this point for
statements he knows damn well were wrong, then I don't expect
him to be man enough to do it now. Personally, after I post this
statement, I don't give a damn if any of you take his side or ours.
If the original postings still exist on the Blu-Ray board, those that
were actually in attendance can read it for themselves and make
their own judgement. I have at least 65 other people that can back
up my statements and can tell you that what was posted to the
Blu-Ray forum immediately following our event was total BS.

What sickens me the most is the way this format war has twisted
people to the point where they feel the need to make childish
attacks on the opposing format. For someone to be determined to
undermine another format and studio by misrepresenting facts the
way it was done at this event is rather disheartening.
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What sickens me the most is the way this format war has twisted
people to the point where they feel the need to make childish
attacks on the opposing format. For someone to be determined to
undermine another format and studio by misrepresenting facts the
way it was done at this event is rather disheartening.

Furthermore, what really bothers me is how the HT internet community has turned on each other. Even during the spirited DTS versus DD discussions it wasn't this bad with the mean-spirited and at times, misrepresented comments made against each other. IMO, the society of HT enthusiasts that resides on this forum and other forums like HTF have become so fragmented and disjointed that it looks like we're more interested in making war with each other than holding the HT industry accountable for giving us the best consumer HT products they have to offer us. We used to be brothers/sisters in arms with a common goal in this great hobby called home theater, but today, I'm not so sure what we have become at this time?






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Mr Epstein,

I am very sorry when I offended anybody, it was not my intention.

Just for clarification:

1) I NEVER said the missing video part was INTENTIONALLY removed. And I did not accuse anybody of anything. Just read my post.

2) When I read the Digital Bits today, I just remembered the discussion here about Graffeos comment and that the discrepancy between Ben Williams comments and those of others was never resolved AFAIK. I imagined that others might have similar thoughts, therefore I posted. It might be relevant to "HD Format Studio Support" after all.

3) If my post is still deemed offending, please delete it. As you can surely see from my posting history, I am not somebody who wants to stir up trouble. Maybe my use of the English language was somehow lacking, since I am not a native English speaker. Again, sorry for this.
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Hartwig,

For most readers the discrepancy between the two descriptions appeared to be solved already in our original thread about the matter. Several members, there present, testified that "drsiebling"'s report wasn't truthful.

However, I closed that thread because of a possible double identity matter (Ben Williams had even participated in that thread), a matter we understandably preferred to solve in private.


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Hartwig,

I'll gladly offer up an apology to you if your words were not
meant to question the integrity of our video. I am rereading your
post and the very first paragraph mentions the missing frames
and then goes on to say that it looks like Ben Williams was right.

It's very difficult not to come to the wrong conclusion on what
you might be referring to, but I will give you the benefit of doubt.

The problem is that you obviously have hit a nerve here. We have
been trying to keep this under wraps for the past few weeks in
hopes of not embarrassing Mr. Williams. However, it has become
obvious to us that words are now beginning to circulate across the
Internet about this matter and as expected, nobody comes to us to
us FIRST to ask about the facts. I would hope that for all these years
Parker, the staff and I have tried to run a site that builds itself on integrity
and that we wouldn't go out of our way to misrepresent a person,
studio or format.

As Robert Crawford stated, it's really sad when you read the other
message boards and see just how much people are twisting facts
and attacking others all in the name of a format. This war has really
torn enthusiasts apart to the point that they forget that there are
real people involved here.
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I only meant that Ben seemed to be right concerning that Graffeo admits being under pressure, not only in a general sense, but from GE. I was referring only to this one statement. Perhaps I should have formulated this clearer. I did not know that I would hit such a nerve here.

That the passage in question was missing from the video is no doubt an unfortunate coincidence; I know that is was due to your having to change video cassettes (as it was reported on the Digital Bits, too).

I never meant to suggest foul play. I was ONLY referring to this one item (Graffeo being under pressure). Would I have know in advance the reaction, I would of course have abstained to do so. It is not that important, after all, just a small detail, that had me interested.


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Hartwig,

I'll gladly offer up an apology to you if your words were not
meant to question the integrity of our video. I am rereading your
post and the very first paragraph mentions the missing frames
and then goes on to say that it looks like Ben Williams was right.

It's very difficult not to come to the wrong conclusion on what
you might be referring to, but I will give you the benefit of doubt.

The problem is that you obviously have hit a nerve here. We have
been trying to keep this under wraps for the past few weeks in
hopes of not embarrassing Mr. Williams. However, it has become
obvious to us that words are now beginning to circulate across the
Internet about this matter and as expected, nobody comes to us to
us FIRST to ask about the facts. I would hope that for all these years
Parker, the staff and I have tried to run a site that builds itself on integrity
and that we wouldn't go out of our way to misrepresent a person,
studio or format.

As Robert Crawford stated, it's really sad when you read the other
message boards and see just how much people are twisting facts
and attacking others all in the name of a format. This war has really
torn enthusiasts apart to the point that they forget that there are
real people involved here.
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I'll give Hartwig the benefit of the doubt here because if you look at the post made on The Digital Bits by Bill Hunt it clearly describes why Ken Graffeo's comments about feeling pressure as the only major HD DVD exclusive studio were missing from the recordings.

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Now our friends over at Home Theater Forum videotaped the panel and have posted the videos online... except during that key moment of the panel, Ron was changing tapes on his camera, and so he missed Graffeo's response (it would have occurred at the start of video #6 had it been recorded).

Thus I don't feel it was Hartwig's intent to accuse the HTF of any wrongdoing.

That said, Hartwig, I think you over-simplified the situation by so broadly referring to Ben Williams as "right". Perhaps you meant he was right in the context that those comments were made at all, and I realize that there was much debate about whether Ken Graffeo admitted this "pressure" because it was missing from the recordings. However, I think anyone who has seen the video realizes that Ben Williams took a lot of liberties with his portrayal of the situation.

I also understand where Ron and company are coming from because I have seen a home theater forum site that is clearly the class act of the Internet accused of some absolutely ridiculous shit from sources I never would have expected. The worst of these, in my opinion, came from the founder of DVD Talk himself.

The HDM format war has made life miserable online, and I too miss the "old days" of discussing the merit of films and their releases rather than formats. I commend the HTF's new zero tolerance policy on the format war. But I am thankful that there are a few threads available to discuss the subject because I think there are important developments that merit conversation. At least now it doesn't bleed into other threads. The community knows where it is appropriate to discuss it, and if they don't want to, they don't have to come into those threads.

I continue to look forward to coming to the HTF as a port in the format war storm, and I thank Ron, Parker, Cees, Robert, and all the other mods for making this place the best place to come for home theater.


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The writer is having hard time in the AVSforum..
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post11269719

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*US PS3 (1080p) - Xbox 360 Elite (HDMI) - Nintendo Wii (Euro) - Sony PSP-2000 - Nintendo DSi
*HD DVD Toshiba XE1 (1080p) - Sony Bravia KDL-40W2000 (1080p) - Yamaha RX-V1800 (HDMI 1.3)

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