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THE BOWERY BOYS on DVD: continuing discussion of Warner's eventual release plans

Poll Results: How would you prefer THE BOWERY BOYS to arrive on DVD?

 
  • 41% (60)
    Release them now as a "Best Of" effort with features
  • 58% (86)
    Wait for better elements to arrive for a chronological release
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I watched the Bowery Boys on TV as did most everybody here. It's not like we have a chronological view of the films ... not like we remember them coming out to the theatres through the years.

So, release the good stuff first and hope some good elements come up on the stuff that could do with postponing
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I watched the Bowery Boys on TV as did most everybody here. It's not like we have a chronological view of the films ... not like we remember them coming out to the theatres through the years.

So, release the good stuff first and hope some good elements come up on the stuff that could do with postponing

Nearly every T.V. station ran them in chronological order and with good reason but the best bet is still release them in chronological and skip the films they have too.
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Nearly every T.V. station ran them in chronological order and with good reason but the best bet is still release them in chronological and skip the films they have too.

Randy,

How do you know what TV stations did outside of your own market? I'm asking ... I do not claim to have any expertise on the Bowery boys.

In films that were HEAVILY formulaic, what difference does it make? I would agree that the films with or without Leo Gorcey should be grouped together but beyond that I don't see how it matters.
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ORDER DOESN'T MATTER TO ME EITHER!!!!!!

I honestly don't care about the "chronological" order either! It is the quality of the video transfers themselves that matters to me.

If Warner Brothers wants to release a "best of" special edition (complete with bonus extras) then that's certainly alright with me...but let's get something (finally) going, alright?!

MR. HEX (1946) is a really funny Bowery Boys romp! I well remember that creep "Evil Eyes" Fagen giving the whammy on poor Satch (Huntz Hall) fighting against his formidable opponent in the wrestling ring and Whitey (William Benedict) making short work of Mr. Fagen and his evil eyes with his flash bulb camera...what a hoot!

It figures that this particular one would be in reprehensibly bad shape!

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Re: ORDER DOESN'T MATTER TO ME EITHER!!!!!!

^ That's how I feel too. Just get something released. Anything at this point is better than nothing.

Save some money on magazine subscriptions .

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release them with the best elements possible. Order is irrelevant IMHO.
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I think those that do not care about Chronological have not seen these films for quite some time when you see them again you will understand why Chronological is important. This series is much closer to a T.V. series than a collection of films. If you were buying Happy days or Friends or any long running sit-com would you really not care if a set mixed episodes from Season one, Three, Five, Nine etc. I find it hard to believe that most wouldn't at least want each season released together. The same reasons for wanting T.V. Seasons released together would apply to the Bowery Boys. Change in supporting characters, Change in Tone, Change in Main characters, etc. Besides Chronological has nothing to do with getting the films released faster. Releasing the films with good prints now or waiting for all the films to be found with good prints is the issue for when they will come out. There seemed to a general consensus a page back in this thread for getting the best prints out now in chronological order and skip the problem prints. So why rock the boat and confuse Warners now?
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Randy,

How do you know what TV stations did outside of your own market? I'm asking ... I do not claim to have any expertise on the Bowery boys.

Most markets follow the same pattern with classic films it was easier to show them chronological since they were inventoried and presented to stations that way.
My local station and cable channels TCM and A&E also presented them chronological so while I don't doubt there were some markets that did not but the majority did.
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I think those that do not care about Chronological have not seen these films for quite some time when you see them again you will understand why Chronological is important. This series is much closer to a T.V. series than a collection of films. If you were buying Happy days or Friends or any long running sit-com would you really not care if a set mixed episodes from Season one, Three, Five, Nine etc. I find it hard to believe that most wouldn't at least want each season released together. The same reasons for wanting T.V. Seasons released together would apply to the Bowery Boys. Change in supporting characters, Change Tone, Change in Main characters, etc. Besides Chronological has nothing to do with getting the films released faster. Releasing the films with good prints now or waiting for all the films to be found with good prints is the issue for when they will come out. There seemed to a general consensus a page back in this thread for getting the best prints out now in chronological order and skip the problem prints. So why rock the boat and confuse Warners now?

I agree -- I thought we had a general consensus! I think the only thing that may confuse Warner is all this going back and forth again! I wonder when this thread will finally be closed, and Ron and WB may start to evaluate what's been written? Because at this point doesn't it seem like we're going over and over again?

Randy, one thing I must say is that, for me, it does have something to do with releasing these films "faster". Warner already said a couple of years back that they were going to be releasing these films and then stopped because they hit a snag when one of the movies (or perhaps more than one) didn't have great elements to work with. We could wait forever for them to find perfect materials for 48 films. It makes so much more sense to release them chronologically, working with what they've got, and skip a handful if they must until better elements are located. Most of the original fans who are eager for the features either grew up seeing these in theaters or on television, and THEY will be Warner's core audience who will buy first and foremost. They will also be buying irregardless of what final decision the studio makes in how they'll release them, but these folks are older and have families and responsibilities - they're not getting any younger!

I know this will sound like a broken record, Randy, but since I've gotten no response on this point I'd like to repeat again that even when viewed in strict chronological sequence, the Bowery Boys films sometimes went from comedy to drama and then back to comedy again, and so on. I'm basically a supporter of having them all released chronologically (which is how I'd "prefer" almost any film series to be issued) but I have to fall on the side of those who don't think it's that big a deal with the Bowery Boys films. Even with the other members of the cast of supporting characters, most of the time they were just window dressing, and the real draw were Leo Gorcey and Huntz Hall. Gabriel Dell was in a lot of the earlier films, and he always shifted the type of character he played from film to film; it didn't matter what order those were watched in. But still -- the idea of releasing them as chronologically as possible right now and going back to problematic prints later seems to be making everyone satisfied.
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"I think those that do not care about Chronological have not seen these films for quite some time when you see them again you will understand why Chronological is important."

I have most of the films, and watch them from time to time. Chronological? I would still skip around and watch the good ones. There's no reason to hold off until they are all available chronologically. That's just being anal, in my opinion. The Looney Tunes cartoons show the characters changing over the years, and nobody bitches that they're being released in non-chronological order. Just get 'em out, fergoshsakes, before we all die or Warners changes hands and starts colorizing 'em or something.

By the way, our local stations in Cleveland and later in New York showed the Bowery Boys films in alphabetical order, not chronological order, because nobody -- those who showed them or those who watched them -- gave a damn. We just wanted to watch 'em.
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So how's Warner doing on this, anyway?
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Just curious but where was this concern for quality when they were putting out the Superman TV series? Or because that's only television, the quality didn't matter? Why didn't they wait on that release?
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"I think those that do not care about Chronological have not seen these films for quite some time when you see them again you will understand why Chronological is important."

I have most of the films, and watch them from time to time. Chronological? I would still skip around and watch the good ones. There's no reason to hold off until they are all available chronologically. That's just being anal, in my opinion. The Looney Tunes cartoons show the characters changing over the years, and nobody bitches that they're being released in non-chronological order. Just get 'em out, fergoshsakes, before we all die or Warners changes hands and starts colorizing 'em or something.

By the way, our local stations in Cleveland and later in New York showed the Bowery Boys films in alphabetical order, not chronological order, because nobody -- those who showed them or those who watched them -- gave a damn. We just wanted to watch 'em.

Please explain why you think Chronological is more difficult or expensive for Warners to release than Best Of's. We all want them released as soon as possible we are just discussing the best way to have them released. Assuming that releasing them chronological and skipping the problem films would take longer to release then Best of's is also being Anal. Also please explain how Warners is to know which ones are the : "good ones" to release when we all have different favorites.
Before the Looney Toons came out many collectors posted here that they did want them Chronological but that is not as big of a deal because they are invidual shorts and not a film series that goes through story and character changes.

As far as a TV station showing a series in Alphabetical order I have never heard of this and it would be the same as a TV station mixing a TV series up so that the episodes were in alphabetical order. We'll just agree to disagree on this one.
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Which are the problematic films anyway?

Perhaps if this were revealed, it would help everyone come to a consensus on the best way to approach the series... rather than just offering idealistic wishes, let's look at this practically.

What films in the series are causing problems and delays as a result of print quality Warner Bros.?
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I bet they've abandoned the project..
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I bet they've abandoned the project..


... or they've taken into account what was offered here on the poll, are discussing with others and reviewing the elements so as to present a formal announcement in the early new year after the Nov, Dec slate of DVDs have been officially announced?

I really doubt Warners would go to the bother of asking for opinions just to dump a project. Maybe we should have a little patience?
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THEATRICAL TRAILERS!!!!!!

Since this discussion thread still has impetus how about including the original theatrical trailers for The Bowery Boys films wherever possible into the DVD sets as bonus extras?!

I think that Rod has a point in the sense that if fans insist upon high quality video transfers this could very well deter Warner Brothers from moving ahead on such a DVD release...but regardless of just how much I love this film series why comprise quality which is a necessity at least to me?!

I concur with Marco just what are the problem films that are holding everything up?!

Warner Brothers pretty much has a thorough consensus in this discussion thread it is pretty much up to them now to make the effort and decide what should be done.

Pertaining to the threatrical release order this film series was always telecast in a helter-skelter manner with the exception that the Leo Gorcey bloc was kept together as one (disparate) group and the Stanley Clements bloc was also maintained as another distinct group.

If the Warner Brothers representatives have any further questions or proposals then make them known and we will further respond to them.

Jeff T.

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... or they've taken into account what was offered here on the poll, are discussing with others and reviewing the elements so as to present a formal announcement in the early new year after the Nov, Dec slate of DVDs have been officially announced?

I really doubt Warners would go to the bother of asking for opinions just to dump a project. Maybe we should have a little patience?
The "old" movies on DVD market appears to have changed dramatically since the poll started. I have the feeling that their "classic box" sales to actual retail consumers have been so disappointing that retailers can't be bothered.

Lets just say I'm glad I bought RKO titles from France because Warner's "next year" never comes..
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"I have never heard of this and it would be the same as a TV station mixing a TV series up so that the episodes were in alphabetical order."

That happened all the time, actually. Until the DVDs came out, for example, I'd never seen THE ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN, one of my fave TV series, in anything other than alphabetical order by episode title. I think Nick at Night was showing them chronologically for awhile, but by that time I'd taped 'em all off syndication, where they were ALWAYS shown in alphabetical order. Just like the Bowery Boys. That's probably how they were sold to stations, on an alphabetical list.
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So, if this has been an issue for a couple of years now, exactly what is Warner doing to track down decent prints? Who have they contacted? I have not heard of any ads placed in The Big Reel nor have I heard of any prominent film dealers or collectors being contacted. And what about other syndicators from before Warner had the Monogram catalog? Have they contacted any of them?

I can tell you for a fact that there is a 16mm print of the movie at the UCLA Film archive. The quality of the print would have to be verified. Has Warner even done this?
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A BALANCED MIX OF FILMS!!!!!

Those are all excellent suggestions made by Hank!

While I am certain that Warner Brothers Home Entertainment is sincere about wanting to release THE BOWERY BOYS on DVD for no more reason than the tremendous demand for such I doubt whether anything has really been constructively done to secure better quality prints for the substandard ones currently in their possession.

One nagging problem with the chronological order suggestion is that the Stanley Clements films (likely the least popular in the series) would be lumped together as one group making the final couple of volumes the least desired and purchased in the entire collection.

In this sense it would be a better strategical move to mix the films thereby dispersing the latter ones with Stanley Clements thoughout the entire collection (say one per volume).

In my opinion a mix of the excellent, good and fair would make for better balanced viewing than strictly adhering to the films as originally released theatrically.

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Those are all excellent suggestions made by Hank!

While I am certain that Warner Brothers Home Entertainment is sincere about wanting to release THE BOWERY BOYS on DVD for no more reason than the tremendous demand for such I doubt whether anything has really been constructively done to secure better quality prints for the substandard ones currently in their possession.

One nagging problem with the chronological order suggestion is that the Stanley Clements films (likely the least popular in the series) would be lumped together as one group making the final couple of volumes the least desired and purchased in the entire collection.

In this sense it would be a better strategical move to mix the films thereby dispersing the latter ones with Stanley Clements thoughout the entire collection (say one per volume).

In my opinion a mix of the excellent, good and fair would make for better balanced viewing than strictly adhering to the films as originally released theatrically.

Jeff T.

I disagree. This mix the the 'good, bad, and the ugly' is exactly the approach not to take.

Warners delivers excellence by delivering excellence. To wash it down is the approach other studios have done. Now, if they want to be perceived as the same as all the rest, that's the approach to take.

What you're suggesting is what was done (at least in the U.S) with the Bond boxsets; put the stinkers in with the ones people really care about.

Most people believe that the later Twilight Zone episodes were not as good as the first couple of years. They did mix them up before putting them out in season sets. Hopefully they learned from this mistake.

I would also question whether they would sell more sets that way. Word-of-mouth takes off when something is wonderful, not when something is so-so.

Completists will get all of them. The majority of people never will so why in the world plan it that way?

Now, not releasing material because it's hoped a better print will come along ... that's a different issue. And for that issue I'm not hung up on chronological order. But issuing sets simply to balance the perceived level of interest in the shows ... that I'm against.
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A BALANCED SELECTION OF FILMS!!!!!!

What I said was "the excellent, good and the fair."

The whole point of this discussion is that Warner Brothers Home Entertainment wants to know just how it can proceed with a DVD release of THE BOWERY BOYS films...not hiow can they keep the anxious fans waiting even longer!

None of the examples you mentioned failed to sell and that is what counts.

Because there will be some films in the catalogue bypassed strict chronological order will still not have been maintained and in this instance I really don't see that it is a necessary requisite.

There is absolutely no ongoing storyline or sequel involved in any of these films and a balanced selection of diverse titles for each volume will (in my opinion) make for more interesting viewing.

Eventually people (likely) get to the point that they view only their favourite films in the series anyway.

And there is still the (potential) problem of the latter Stanley Clements bloc that are probably better served integrated individually into each volume.

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Even though I have fun with this series, none of them are "excellent" movies. They're all rather interchangeable, and one is "ordinary" while another may be, at best, "pretty good" or "good". I think that newbies to the series will find that there's not much difference, and they may wonder what all this fuss is about.

Just put them out already.
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Folks,

I am now going to take this "sticky" thread down.

I have spoken with Warner Bros. and they are highly appreciative
of the participation within this thread.

The studio has let me know that your input HAS made a difference,
that they will be moving forward with a game plan now sooner rather
than later, taking a basically chronological approach, but extracting
problem titles for the time being until better elements are found.

Thank You everyone!
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Folks,

I am now going to take this "sticky" thread down.

I have spoken with Warner Bros. and they are highly appreciative
of the participation within this thread.

The studio has let me know that your input HAS made a difference,
that they will be moving forward with a game plan now sooner rather
than later, taking a basically chronological approach, but extracting
problem titles for the time being until better elements are found.

Thank You everyone!

Great news! This makes a lot of sense. Thank you WHV. I look forward to buying these when they are available.

Steve
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Sounds perfect. Glad to hear it!
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I too am very glad to hear the approach they will take. It absolutely is the right move. I can wait for a few problem pictures to show up later on as long as a basic chronological order is followed. That was key in my book.

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I can wait for a few problem pictures to show up later on as long as a basic chronological order is followed.
Yeah, I think that is the best move they could make with these titles. That way, they get the ball rolling but don't sacrifice quality either.
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Great news! Thumbs Up to Warners for an excellent decision. Can't wait until these start coming out.
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