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Anyone interested in this one? I, er, obtained a copy of this a few days ago...it's not on par with Siamese Dream or Mellon Collie, but it's pretty good. I'd give it 3 out of 5 stars. I just wish Mr. Corgan would get out of that "all that I wanna hear is midrange-y guitar tones" phase. The way some of his stuff is mixed sounds like one big, distorted mess.
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Re: Smashing Pumpkins "Zeitgeist" 7/10
Yeah I got this too. its alright. is it me or are the vocals very loud, they drown out the rest of the stuff. I wish he would write more stuff like Soma, Mayonaise and Hummer.
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Re: Smashing Pumpkins "Zeitgeist" 7/10
I am actually a fan of Adore and Machina. Machina II stuff wasnt that great but the song "Dross" from Machina II kicks ass. Zwan stuff and Billy's solo cd Im not impressed with. I have to admit I wish James Iha would come back. A Perfect Circle is on hiatus I think. maybe the boredom will get to him.
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Re: Smashing Pumpkins "Zeitgeist" 7/10
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Yeah I got this too. its alright. is it me or are the vocals very loud, they drown out the rest of the stuff. I wish he would write more stuff like Soma, Mayonaise and Hummer.
Ron, I have a TON of pumpkins stuff. if interested, pm me.
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It's not you, they are mixed loud. He also doesn't treat his vocals with that effect that he used to use. To me, he sounds more nasally now w/o it.
Jean, I actually found a few sites the other day that were like hitting the motherload, so I'm good for a while. Thanks for the offer though!
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I am actually a fan of Adore and Machina. Machina II stuff wasnt that great but the song "Dross" from Machina II kicks ass. Zwan stuff and Billy's solo cd Im not impressed with. I have to admit I wish James Iha would come back. A Perfect Circle is on hiatus I think. maybe the boredom will get to him.
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I doubt it...he's staying pretty busy with his record label (with one of the guys from Fountains of Wayne I believe) and producing duties. I think he just produced America's recent comeback CD.
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Re: Smashing Pumpkins "Zeitgeist" 7/10
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Corgan pretty much is the band.
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Yeah, in terms of creative input, but there comes a point when you have to wonder what makes a band a band? I mean, Corgan's the only constant in SP over the years - Chamberlin, D'Arcy and Iha have all come and gone. Now it's just BC and JC - how is that different than Zwan?
Anyway, I don't have the new album yet, but I saw SP last night at the 9:30 in DC. Up and down show, partially because I don't know the new stuff and it dominated. Oh, they still did plenty of old tracks, but I didn't recognize more than I did.
LONG, LONG show - it became a real endurance test, to be honest. I mean, I admire the fact that Billy gives fans good value for their money, and I think a three-hour show for $30 qualifies. However, it became very self-indulgent at times, and the club was only about 1/2-full by the end. (Or maybe 2/3rds - hard to tell, but a lot of folks had definitely left.)
Anyway, I hope when SP come to town again, it's someplace with SEATS. After standing in one spot for four hours, I hurt!
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Re: Smashing Pumpkins "Zeitgeist" 7/10
Comments from the Washington Post echoed my own thoughts:
"A truly excruciating 20-minute unreleased jam called "Gossamer," which for some reason was saved for the second encore and sent a good third of the audience scurrying for the exits."
That nails it. "Gossamer" was really, really painful. During the interminable keyboard solo, a woman behind me said "this is like being in church, but not in a good way"...
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Re: Smashing Pumpkins "Zeitgeist" 7/10
Anyone know? Best Buy's version has an extra track, and so does Target (or CC, can't remember which), is it the same track?
BB's is Death from Above (I think; I got it today at lunch).
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Crap.
Now I have to go get the Target disc.
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Re: Smashing Pumpkins "Zeitgeist" 7/10
for one song? crazy. wait a month or so and buy it used.
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Re: Smashing Pumpkins "Zeitgeist" 7/10
For a specialty disc like this, the price might actually go up.
But your point is well taken.
I'm listening to the disc now. I like it more than I thought I would, to be honest.
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Re: Smashing Pumpkins "Zeitgeist" 7/10
I've been listening to it w/ one ear bud all day today in the background while I talk to customers. It's ok, so far I like "Bleeding the Orchid", it reminds me of another SP song, but I cant think of it right now. something off of MCIS though.
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Re: Smashing Pumpkins "Zeitgeist" 7/10
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Target's extra track is the title track "Zeitgeist". This is a number with just Billy's voice and acoustic guitar. A much better song than DFA in my opinion.
Also, the itunes exclusive is "Stellar" a more atmospheric, spacey song, unsurprisingly. Also better than DFA, but I guess it depends on what type of stuff you like out of your Pumpkins.
Either way, I wish I had gotten the Target version instead of the Best Buy.
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It really pisses me off when they do this. I'd rather they give you access to a website where you can hear all the possible bonus tracks and then choose the one you like rather then have no idea and get whatever one comes with the retailer you bought it at.
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I like it more than I thought I would, to be honest.
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It's really not as bad as some reviewers made it out to be. I think the Allmusic Guide review was WAY over the top in it's hatred of Billy.
A buddy of mine has never seen them live and they're his favorite band, so we got tickets to the Fox Theatre show in the ATL yesterday. I just hope they sound better live than the last two times I saw them (once around the time of SD and then when they were headlining Lollapalooza after Cobain passed). From what I saw on Letterman Friday night, they were pretty good, aside from Billy's vocals.
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Re: Smashing Pumpkins "Zeitgeist" 7/10
Pretty damning live review
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...sn=001&sc=1000
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Re: Smashing Pumpkins "Zeitgeist" 7/10
There was a likewise not very good in the SJ Mercury about that same show.
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I love the Pumpkins, but they should remember that old saying: always leave them wanting more. 3 hrs, I think, is about 1 hr past that point, no matter how strong the back catalog is.
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Re: Smashing Pumpkins "Zeitgeist" 7/10
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I love the Pumpkins, but they should remember that old saying: always leave them wanting more. 3 hrs, I think, is about 1 hr past that point, no matter how strong the back catalog is.
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But SP ALWAYS played really long shows - this isn't a new phenomenon. I remember equally lengthy shows back in 1996. The difference is that the current shows include lots of new material, not just well-known stuff - and this is a band just getting its feet wet, not one that'd been together for years. I don't recall gripes about SP playing too long 10 years ago...
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Ive been listening to the album more and more. Its growing on me, but it still will not be in my top SP albums. I wish Billy would go back and master some old demo's from pre Siamese Dream era. One of my favorite Pumpkins songs is an unreleased demo called "Nothing and Everything".
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Re: Smashing Pumpkins "Zeitgeist" 7/10
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Ive been listening to the album more and more. Its growing on me, but it still will not be in my top SP albums. I wish Billy would go back and master some old demo's from pre Siamese Dream era. One of my favorite Pumpkins songs is an unreleased demo called "Nothing and Everything".
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I'd personally love to hear Siamese Dream in high res audio.
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Definitely!
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