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Re: Sleeping Beauty BD - 2008
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Originally Posted by OliverK
I have truly no idea about the production of Disney animation back then but maybe the camera had to film some kind of drawings/still pictures or whatever and they used these elements to arrive at the wider HD master for Sleeping Beauty, basically the original artwork that had compostions for the 2.55:1 early scope ratio. As you pointed out correctly there is no way to get a wider AR than 2.25 out of Technirama without some cropping. Having more picture information would mean to add information to the left and/or the right, not cropping the top and/or bottom.
It will be easy to see if Disney added or subtracted compared to previous version of the movie so I am not really worried about this and I suspect they at least did not rely exclusively on the OCN.
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The original art work for an animated film is almost never in a specific aspect ratio. More often the art work will reflect any camera moves that might be made. For example for a pan down the art work may actually be 5 times taller than it is wide. Or it may go in a diagonal direction if the camera is intended to pan down and to the left for instance.
The art work for Sleeping Beauty would probably more often than not be somewhat wider than for Snow White, just because of the nature of the wide format, but a specific 2.55:1 ratio would not come from the art work.
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Re: Sleeping Beauty BD - 2008
Even if the artwork was wider, it's not like Disney's going back to the original artwork and reanimating the whole thing; we're still limited to what was captured on the original sequential Technirama negative and materials derived from it (I don't even know if the original sequential negative survives to this day).
I believe the current DVD was sourced from 35mm elements, and the current transfer displays some cropping (most noticeably at the bottom during the opening titles). Here's hoping they can source this transfer from more accurate elements.
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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
Whether the Disney reps were correct or mistaken is another matter. But they were insistant, and explicit, that the native photographed film elements were 2.55:1 and that this Blu-ray Disc will reveal the full image area with no cropping.
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That's good!
Now let's hope they don't 'crop' the sound! ;-)
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Originally Posted by JulianK
The difference between the two ratios is very small, and certainly more than would be cropped in a regular theatrical presentation.
It may well be that very narrow top and bottom mattes have been added to prevent splice marks intruding into the picture.
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Acutally the difference between 2.25:1 and 2.35:1 aren't that much. 2.55:1 is a completely different story. That is quite a big difference.
You wouldn't see splice marks on the 2.35:1 ratio seeing as the full aspect ratio of Technirama is 2.25:1. The only reason for matting or protecting for 2.55:1 is if they intended it to be shown in that CinemaScope ratio. Which by the time the film was release, wasn't the ratio of CinemaScope anymore.
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Interesting that it lists the wrong aspect ratio for both Technirama and Super Technirama 70.
The difference between the two is that Technirama is a reduction to anamorphic 35mm release prints (at 2.35:1) and Super Technirama 70 is a conversion 70mm release prints (at 2.21:1). As far as I know Technirama was never shown in its native format in the United States.
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Edit: I missed the lower part of the list where they have the correct aspect ratios listed for the release prints. However I'm not sure why they have a separate listing for Technirama and Super Technirama under Cinematographic Processes, when they are exactly the same cameras, lenses and film stock. The only difference being the format the release prints are printed to.
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Re: Sleeping Beauty BD - 2008
That is a great idea for Disney movies.
I am all for it as long as it doesn't add to the price. And in this case, it looks like it doesn't.
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Re: Sleeping Beauty BD - 2008
This is hair-lair-e-us!!!
People HATED HD-DVD combo's cause they had too pay for an SD version they had or didn't want. But now its a GREAT idea (I understand: give one to the kid & kept the BD for u). Just think its funny cause last yr...
I'm against the digital copy/SD DVD, cause "I" don't want to pay for something "I" don't want.
Really looking forward to this release however, almost no better title to start off w/from the Disney vault.
Hey, people raved about the SD release & I suppose this will use that transfer as well; any digital artifacts we should worry about?
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Hey people, don't start a combo hate thread here.
They are dead & buried!
I just thought the three disc (one SD DVD) & two disc (one digital copy) formats are pretty pushing it; considering what's been posted in the "past".
Hopefully those battles are also in the past!
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I can not wait to get many Disney classics on Blu-ray. I actually do not own many Disney titles on SD-DVD so I really do not have to worry about double dipping to much. But I am hoping that Disney will remaster some of there biggest classics for Blu-ray in the next 4 years. Sleeping Beauty is one of there big classics and if it does not come out this year. I hope they do not delay it for to long.
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I hate any, and all double sided discs.
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Here here. Nothing but problems with those. Death to "double sided discs".
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Re: Sleeping Beauty BD - 2008
Whether a digital download or a SD DVD, I would not mind them throwing in an SD copy for portability/something to watch on other TVs when I am traveling.
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Unless the digital download is not iTunes/iPod compatible, in which case the disc might as well be a coaster.
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This is neither a re-master nor an old transfer.
The tech staff at Disney has done everything in their power to make this very special, returning to the original 8 perf negative and earliest audio elements.
Sleeping Beauty portends to be a stunning Blu-ray set.
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Re: Sleeping Beauty BD - 2008
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I'd agree with you Ed...if it in any way meant the price was higher than it was going to be without the bonus SD disc. But I thought amazon's $23.95 pre-order price was probably what they'd be charging for a 2-disc BD release anyway.
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That's a GREAT price for a single BD!!! ;-)
Wish this had the R2 cover of the SD DVD.
Anyone remember seeing it (or having it)?
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Thanks, Paul!
....but I eagerly await this classic on Blu-ray.
