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Re: Popeye the Sailor: Volume 1 (1933-1938) 7/31

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Some questions:
Why was the "Sing along with Popeye" cartoon (in the extras section) was not restored? It was of noticably inferior quality compared to the other Popeye cartoons.

Sing Along with Popeye is essentially the first few minutes of the first Popeye cartoon, which was included in the set. Guess they didn't want to go through the trouble, since the first Popeye cartoon was restored.

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Re: Popeye the Sailor: Volume 1 (1933-1938) 7/31

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I really doubt they would think they're supposed to be absolutely silent.
I posted they weren't supposed to be silent & you posted you "doubt" WB thought they were silent. So, why are they indeed "silent"?
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Even shorts came with accompaniment scores. 99% of them are lost, of course.
Are you inferring the Popeye scores are "lost"?
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Re: Popeye the Sailor: Volume 1 (1933-1938) 7/31

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I posted they weren't supposed to be silent & you posted you "doubt" WB thought they were silent. So, why are they indeed "silent"?

Thanks.

To put it plainly: They're public domain silent cartoons in a bonus features section. Thus, not a lot of time, money, and effort were given to them. That's why they're silent.

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Re: Popeye the Sailor: Volume 1 (1933-1938) 7/31

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I posted they weren't supposed to be silent & you posted you "doubt" WB thought they were silent. So, why are they indeed "silent"?

Are you inferring the Popeye scores are "lost"?
Thanks.

Popeye cartoons are from the sound era.....I was, of course, referred to the non-Popeye silent shorts included in the Popeye set.

As stated before, once movies moved from the nickelodeon to actual movie theatres, theatres employed pianists or organists to provide musical accompaniment. Some of the first-run, bigger theatres had small orchestras.

I believe that (at least) the larger studios provided scores for each of the features, and I believe that the shorts also had a score or some kind of lead sheet.

It's possible that the cheap poverty row studios films were issued without scores, but I've never read that anyone went to the movies in the teens or twenties and watched a movie silent without accompaniment! Heck, part of the deal was to provide music to DROWN OUT THE AUDIENCE NOISE!

So, I was a bit surprised that WB didn't throw together a cheaply made music track for these cool silent cartoons.

I have a few of the "Lost Laurel & Hardy" DVD's and even though most of the shorts have the identical music(!!), at least they're not just the silent film shorts without any music.
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Re: Popeye the Sailor: Volume 1 (1933-1938) 7/31

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theatres employed pianists or organists to provide musical accompaniment

If only my grandmother were still alive. She used to do that, and it would be a hoot to provide her the opportunity again!

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Re: Popeye the Sailor: Volume 1 (1933-1938) 7/31

It probably should have its own thread but Volume Two (1938 To 1940) comes out on June 17. This time there is only 31 cartoons on two discs with an MSRP of $35. I'm sure people will go nuts over there only being two discs but I'm guessing it was done so the price could be lower and hopefully sell better. If it was a case of Warners wanting to make more money with more releases, the Looney Tunes sets would have been 'shrunk' to two discs as well.

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Re: Popeye the Sailor: Volume 1 (1933-1938) 7/31

nice to see this coming even if it is 2 discs. The first set was a blast to watch again.
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Re: Popeye the Sailor: Volume 1 (1933-1938) 7/31

The decision for 2 discs instead of four makes sense. Warner probably wants to keep the vastly superior Fleischer cartoons separate from the Famous Studios ones.
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Re: Popeye the Sailor: Volume 1 (1933-1938) 7/31

no i think i would prefer them to follow the same mold that they have done with LTGC sets, which is whit i belive was originally stated, i dont want to see these treated as badly as Tom & Jerry which still needs a proper release of all the theatrical versions!
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Re: Popeye the Sailor: Volume 1 (1933-1938) 7/31

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no i think i would prefer them to follow the same mold that they have done with LTGC sets, which is whit i belive was originally stated
They tried that and, unfortunately, it must not have sold as well as they wanted. So if the choice is two disc releases (which still has "commentaries, Popeye Popumentary featurettes, an Out of the Inkwell: The Fleischer Story retrospective documentary, the feature-length movie Gulliver's Travels, vintage audio recordings, radio interviews, and more.") or nothing, I'll take two disc releases.
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well they are also covering a shorter period of time this year, 2 years vice the 5 like before, so it is falling more in line with what Sony is doing with the stooges, which really turned out good , hope to hear about the second release of that; because Uni already made me smile with the 2nd Woody announcement. I wonder if BestBuy will have another exclusive tin of volume 2?

Went over to check some more info on GAC, and someone, was questioning if Gullivers Travels would be restore, and the discussion came that the rights belong to Republic (lionsgate) which has a gold mine that they are sitting on with the Betty Boops, but nothing from them, such a shame. My hope is that this will have a full restoration. and i am Happy that WB was kind enough to include it as a bonus feature. My concern now is are these going to be double sided disk?
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Re: Popeye the Sailor: Volume 1 (1933-1938) 7/31

I hope they found some decent elements for Gulliver's Travels. The public domain prints are awfully faded.
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Re: Popeye the Sailor: Volume 1 (1933-1938) 7/31

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I hope they found some decent elements for Gulliver's Travels. The public domain prints are awfully faded.

The original successive exposure negative is at UCLA.

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The original successive exposure negative is at UCLA.
Oh good, since Gulliver's Travels is still public domain from what I am aware I hope there's nothing stopping WB from utilizing that element.
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Re: Popeye the Sailor: Volume 1 (1933-1938) 7/31

are we sure that Gulliver's Travels is PD, that was the debate at GAC, and i understand that Jerry Beck is going to have some more info on this later
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Re: Popeye the Sailor: Volume 1 (1933-1938) 7/31

Though I'm a bit disappointed that it'll be only 2 discs this time, I'm really looking forward to this set. I loved set 1, the extras were great and the ones on the new set look like they will just as good.
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Re: Popeye the Sailor: Volume 1 (1933-1938) 7/31

I have it on fairly good authority that the shake-up WAS to help make the price more reasonable and help encourage sales, particularly for the black-and-white material. The upcoming Freakazoid and Smurfs DVD's have been/are being recalibrated similarly.

My disappointment depends on how badly this new plan fucks up the release scedules. If the next release comes out at the end of the year, then that's not the worst thing in the world. If this means having to wait an additional 12 months to get the equivalent of what SHUOLD'VE been a 4-disc set, then this will be the biggest Warner screw-up since the latest Tom and Jerry DVD.
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Re: Popeye the Sailor: Volume 1 (1933-1938) 7/31

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well they are also covering a shorter period of time this year, 2 years vice the 5 like before...

...or they might be afraid of getting too close to America's involvement in WWII, and the racist Popeye shorts towards Japanese soldiers, and Warners isn't quite ready for that yet?

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I honestly don’t know how to respond to that, they were kind enough to include Tokyo Woes on the last LTGC set, but completely failed when it came time to do all the Tom & Jerry sets, which really pisses me off, But all the studios have that sort of thing where is all the tobacco usage in the Disney toons? Where is Song of the South? Be it having to sit through Whoopie or the forced page disclaimer before the Menu page starts, once that is over, then everything on the disc should be as it was originally intended, Disney that means you don’t scan in and crop Fantasia, to hide things.

Granted I know that with the current climate we are lucky that a lot of the uncensored material is available for us to call them out on. But if Sony has the gumption to release the Batman serial that is just as offensive, and did not skirt the issue one bit, really makes me wonder. I am fine with censorship as long as it is self-censorship, but to decide that this should not be seen and put this material out is laughable. I have faith that these will be done correctly, because WB had to make agreements with more than one other entity to broker this deal.

I only wish that they would treat their MGM holdings with the same amount of reverence when it comes to the animated features and shorts. Hey should be produced and restored by George and the Theritacal division instead of the TV side, then we could hopefully see them the way they should be treated. Ok off of the soap box, so if they continue this way, what are we looking at 2 more releases of Max and Dave, then the first set of Famous will be a 4 disc set?

Wonder if they can broker the same kind of deal in the future and release a Chronological release of the Our Gang/ Little Rascals?
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Re: Popeye the Sailor: Volume 1 (1933-1938) 7/31

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Went over to check some more info on GAC, and someone, was questioning if Gullivers Travels would be restore, and the discussion came that the rights belong to Republic (lionsgate) which has a gold mine that they are sitting on with the Betty Boops, but nothing from them, such a shame. My hope is that this will have a full restoration. and i am Happy that WB was kind enough to include it as a bonus feature. My concern now is are these going to be double sided disk?

Have I missed something? Is "Gulliver's Travels" going to be included as an extra on the new Popeye set?

Help me out here... Thanks!

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http://images.postdirect.com/master/.../POPEYE_09.gif

Clearly shows what some of the bonus features are


and the disc

Disc #1

1. I Yam Love Sick
2. Plumbing Is A Pipe
3. The Jeep
4. Bulldozing The Bull
5. Mutiny Ain’t Nice
6. Goonland
7. A Date To Skate
8. Cops Is Always Right
9. Customers Wanted
10. ALADDIN AND HIS WONDERFUL LAMP
11. Leave Well Enough Alone
12. Wotta Nitemare
13. Ghosks Is The Bunk
14. Hello, How Am I
15. It”s The Natural Thing To Do

Disc #2

1. Never Sock A Baby
2. Shalespearian Spinach
3. Females Is Fickle
4. Stealin’ Ain’t Honest
5. Me Feelin’s Is Hurt
6. Onion Pacific
7. Wimmin Is A Myskery
8. Nurse-Mates
9. Fightin’ Pals
10. Doin’ Impossikible Stunts
11. Wimmin Hadn’t Oughta Drive
12. Puttin On The Act
13. Popeye Meets William Tell
14. My Pop, My Pop
15. With Poopdeck Pappy
16. Popeye Presents Eugene The Jeep
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There is an article about it at TV Shows on DVD.
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There is an article about it at TV Shows on DVD.

Looks like John K is out as a commentator now. I don't have anything against the guy, but he really had little to contribute to the tracks. Odd, considering that he'll have entries on his blog that break down animation sequences with a lot of fascinating analysis.

I actually like the switch to 2-disc sets. While the $44 retail price (for the Best Buy tin) is great, it's a lot to put down at one time. It wouldn't be surprising if the extra time needed is to make sure more cartoons have original openings and closings since some of the first volume sets had incorrect titles.

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...they were kind enough to include Tokyo Woes on the last LTGC set, but completely failed when it came time to do all the Tom & Jerry sets, which really pisses me off...
I'm sure someone has a better memory than me but doesn't the TV division of Warners handle the Tom And Jerry releases and the Looney Tunes and Popeye releases are handled by the features department? If that's the case then maybe that's why the T&J is edited and the LT and (hopefully) Popeye sets aren't edited and have a good amount of extras.
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Yes that has been the problem, there is a vocal group of us on here that have stated time and again that the Tom and Jerry sets need all of their treatments done by the theatrical division, instead of the TV one. Starting with the original HB shorts to the Gene Dietch, I know that are not the same quality, then those done by Chuck Jones, which really was a rehash of Roadrunner cartoons with Tom and Jerry. All of them should be done correctly.

As for the first Popeye set, last year was a great year for classic animation, Universal finally got to is vault and while not up to the same exacting standards as the LTGC collections, I thing they put out a great set with Woody, and the mix of bonus toons only made it work better.

Space wise though, I don see how this will works as a two disc set with that amount of toons plus the bonus features, that is why I questioned if it was double sided disc.
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...or they might be afraid of getting too close to America's involvement in WWII, and the racist Popeye shorts towards Japanese soldiers, and Warners isn't quite ready for that yet?

I highly doubt that is the reason. WB doesn't seem to have any real qualms with showing WWII-era cartoons. Heck, they just released "Blitz Wolf" this month when they could have easily passed it over for another Oscar nominated cartoon. Also, news I've heard from Jerry Beck states that the WII cartoons will be on the 3rd set.

The reasons for the switch seems mostly economical. The TV Shows On DVD website speculates the most likely reason bing the restoration of the cartoons taking a bit longer than they expected, and it seems to be a very understandable reason. I don't want to see DVNRed cartoons quickly rushed out the door when they can take fine tuning it.

Sure, the longer wait for the rest of the cartoons is a bit disheartening, but I'd rather know that we are still getting them sometime in the future than not at all.
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Longer wait? The entire run of the Popeye cartoon series might not even be released at all (basically this would be the Tom and Jerry DVD series all over again and on a much grander scale).

When (If?) Warner releases all the B/W cartoons and gets to the Color Famous ones, I hope they return to the 4 disc formula, since the color ones would be an easier sell and would require less restoration than the earlier, B/W cartoons (the two main reasons for this shake-up).
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Kevin, why make such speculations when it's been confirmed time and again that these films will definitely be released.

In fact, as far as I know, the studio is now contractually obligated to put out all of the Fleischer Popeye films on DVD. I would have much rathered the 4-disc set that we got last year, but if Warners are concerned about sales figures or think they can profit more by doing it this way, than so be it. The inclusion of the GT feature makes up for any minor letdown regarding the content here. And clearly the studio was listening to our feedback since Mr. Kricfalusi will not be offering his 'insight' towards anyt of the films on this next set.

I would really doubt the switch has anything to do with restorations though. As far as I know, these were completed a while ago with only reconstruction of the titles left to accomplish.

I'm sure this set is going to be just as fantastic as last year's, even if not as inclusive. I just hope we get the final Fleischer box before 2009 so as not to drag the release out too long! And I bet the Famous/Paramount shorts will be released in larger collections and not as 'exclusive' to collectors. Hopefully they'll maintain the level of quality all the way through the theatrical shorts though.
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Re: Popeye the Sailor: Volume 1 (1933-1938) 7/31

This is old news by now, but there's no GULLIVER'S TRAVELS feature in the upcoming POPEYE Volume 2 set.
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I loved the first set and will buy the second set the minute the pre-order option is available on the net dvd sites I buy my discs from. One thing that is wrong is to portray this as the fact that Warner's is making this more attractively priced by cutting it down to 2 discs and selling it at list 34.99. The first sets list price is 64.98. Sure I got the set for 43.00 from deep discount. But let's do the math by breaking the second set up in reality Warners is pricing the 4 discs for the next two sets at 69.98. Which is nearly 6.00 more than the first 4 disc set. So even when we get a price of a pre-order price for set two at 23.99 at Amazon when the 3rd set comes out and if priced the same as set two the consumer will be spending more money in the long run. So it was clearly not done to make it a better price for the consumer but to put more money in Warners pockets. To be fair maybe the costs of restoring the films have gone up or maybe they all got a raise at Warner's but if the product is great it is justified!
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