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2/10/07 at 10:16am
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Guillermo del Toro is back to direct but the sequel has moved from Columbia Picture to Universal Pictures. del Torro has mentioned how he'll have much more freedom now with the studio switch. The release date has been set August 1 2008.

(Mod note - Release date was moved up to July 11, 2008)
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2/11/07 at 5:54am
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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (August 1 2008)

Hopefully it'll be an improvement over the first movie, which I do like very much but featured a lot of X-Men type aspects to the presentation of the BPRD that don't fit the spirit of Mignola's comics.
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2/11/07 at 7:39am
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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (August 1 2008)

I hope his recent success allows him more room for Hellboy aspects...I think it will. I'm looking forward to this
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2/11/07 at 9:46am
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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (August 1 2008)

hellboy was horrible...i doubt i'll be watching this one.
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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (August 1 2008)

I enjoyed the first quite a bit, being a fan of both Mignola and del Toro. Looking forward to the second.

Luckily, right at that moment, an unconscious Argentinean fell through my roof.

He was quickly joined by a dwarf dressed as a nun.

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2/13/07 at 5:27am
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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (August 1 2008)

Did anyone watch the animated film? Story by Mignola and with the film actors doing the voices.
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2/13/07 at 10:10am
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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (August 1 2008)

Yeah, the animated film was good. More faithful to the comics in its take on the characters and Mignola's style, probably because Mignola seemed to have a more direct hand in it. Has some pacing problems and Liz's character design isn't to my tastes but nothing too seriously wrong. I'm very much looking forward to the sequel (and hopefully a third movie if things go right).
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12/19/07 at 10:48am
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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (August 1 2008)

Trailer is coming out tomorrow online.



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12/19/07 at 9:38pm
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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (August 1 2008)

I walked into a comic book store for the first time in prob 6 or 7 months on monday.

Picked up the new Hellboy story as well as the last 2 TPBs Ive missed.

Looking foward to the trailer.
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12/19/07 at 10:30pm
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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (August 1 2008)

from that picture, it looks as though they're including johann in the film; i wonder if they'll have roger the homonculus, too...that'd be pretty cool.

oh, and i should also point out that the BPRD stories are excellent, too, and well worth reading - especially the black flame and the universal machine.

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12/20/07 at 6:20am
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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (August 1 2008)

" i wonder if they'll have roger the homonculus, too...that'd be pretty cool."

He can be seen in the background of the first film.
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12/20/07 at 2:08pm
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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (August 1 2008)

Teaser

http://moviesmovies.ign.com/movies/v..._qtlowwide.mov

http://moviesmovies.ign.com/movies/v...qthighwide.mov
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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (August 1 2008)

Thanks Dave.
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12/21/07 at 11:45am
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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (August 1 2008)

I'm looking forward to this. I liked the first film, but like most first films based on comics, it seemed to pre-occupied with settting up everything. After the 2 cartoons, this could be pretty good, the toons were great.
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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (August 1 2008)

I love Hellboy, and liked the first film alright. I think the teaser for HB2 is fairly dazzling, so color me pretty excited. All of the exposition nonsense is out of the way...on to the craziness
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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (August 1 2008)

Everybody seems focused on the other comic book movie coming out, and this one is being neglected.

It's getting really great reviews. I haven't seen the first, but the visuals make me want to see this sequel.

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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (August 1 2008)

Yea, it seems the word of mouth is really great for this although I think it might just get lost in the shuffle at the Box Office. With The Dark Knight next weekend, I can't see this sticking around for too long especially since the first film was a small hit but by no means anything fairly large. Were DVD sales that good?
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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (August 1 2008)

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Everybody seems focused on the other comic book movie coming out, and this one is being neglected.
I'm not one of those guys who are so worried about a movie's gross that they must be stockholders in the company but I'm betting that Hellboy II won't do very well at the box office. That doesn't mean that I think it'll be a bad movie, I just think it'll be one comic book movie too many for the general public to really get into (especially when it's not from the only two comic companies that the public has heard of).
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7/10/08 at 2:40pm
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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (August 1 2008)

Man, I hope you're wrong but fear you're right. I'm looking forward to this one more that TDK, because I always eager to see anything GDT directs.
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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (August 1 2008)

I don't see it lighting the box office on fire, but I think it could fair decently. Maybe open around $25 - 30 mill. Maybe end up doing about what the first film did. The main problem is that the first movie didn't really connect with audiences (heck, it didn't even make that much money to really warrant a sequel!) so I don't think it's got that much of a built in base aside from fans of the comic.

I was thinking about seeing this tomorrow morning, but Saturday will probably be more like it.

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7/11/08 at 5:05am
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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (July 11, 1 2008)

This thread is now designated the Official Discussion Thread for "Hellboy 2: The Golden Army". Please, post all comments, links to outside reviews, film and box office discussion items to this thread.

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Re: *** Official HELLBOY 2: The Golden Army Discussion Thread

Heres James Bs review.

He has alot of good things to say about it but has a problem with the end. Minor spoilers with a link in the review to discuss the problems more indepth.....

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Re: *** Official HELLBOY 2: The Golden Army Discussion Thread

Kroenen was such a cool villain, he'll be missed in this one!

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Re: *** Official HELLBOY 2: The Golden Army Discussion Thread

Just before catching this HB-II, check out the following animated prologue which fleshes out the backstory for the sequal.....


Video Hellboy 2 - Prologue - Guillermo, del, Toro - Alice Video Share Your Videos
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Re: *** Official HELLBOY 2: The Golden Army Discussion Thread

James B is dead-on about the two cheats at the end. Thing is, I think they could have both been easily dealt with.

Still enjoyed the film, but it does start slow.

My biggest problem with the HELLBOY films though, is that I never get a sense of personal stakes. None of the major characters ever feels in danger or like they might lose something. It may stem from HB's overall cockiness. They try to threaten HB's life in this one...but, it doesn't really work.
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Re: *** Official HELLBOY 2: The Golden Army Discussion Thread

He's dead on with ONE. Nuala and Nuada. The other can be explained away with ease (the crown has to be linked to be destroyed - I made that up, but whatever). They are cheats to allow for character moments, not for narrative cohesion, so I forgive them.

I LOVED the designs in this film. The Golden Army soldiers are spectacular, the puppets at the beginning come from out of Mignola drawings, and the edges and margins are crammed with beautiful looking designs. The film is a feast for the eyes.
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Re: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (August 1 2008)

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...I'm betting that Hellboy II won't do very well at the box office. That doesn't mean that I think it'll be a bad movie, I just think it'll be one comic book movie too many for the general public to really get into
According to Box Office Mojo, it made $13 million yesterday and came in at #1 so it looks like my dire prediction was wrong.

Unfortunately, I probably won't get a chance to check it out until next weekend.
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Re: *** Official HELLBOY 2: The Golden Army Discussion Thread

Not a bad film, but it seems to rip off so many other established franchises that it's a little distracting:

--the beginning with the war between the humans, elves, ogres, and goblins seems right out of LOTR, not to mention the all-powerful crown (a big ring) that grants ultimate power to the possessor. Personally, I was waiting for the "fellowship" to journey to a volcano to toss in the crown.

--as mentioned in some other reviews, the Troll Market seems like the cantina scene in Star Wars or Diagon Alley in HP).

--Also, Seth McFarlane, instead of creating an original character voice for Krauss, seems to simply be mimicking Jeremy Irons from "Die Hard with a Vengeance." I was sure it was JI until I the credits rolled.

I also have to agree with James B's two points, mentioned previously. But so many films today seem to employ such similar lazy, nonsensical scriptwriting. If either of those issues were handled in a logical manner, there wouldn't be much of a movie, apparently.

And I don't even know how the interspecies sex/reproduction between Red and Liz is supposed to make sense. And apparently she's having twins, so I'm sure we'll get one li'l Red and one li'l Liz in HB3.

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Re: *** Official HELLBOY 2: The Golden Army Discussion Thread

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--Also, Seth McFarlane, instead of creating an original character voice for Krauss, seems to simply be mimicking Jeremy Irons from "Die Hard with a Vengeance." I was sure it was JI until I the credits rolled.
I didn't really get that at all. Other than the German accent, I didn't hear any of Jeremy Irons' distinctively rich voice in Johann Krauss.

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Re: *** Official HELLBOY 2: The Golden Army Discussion Thread

The scene where the BPRD head man is complaining to Abe about "Red" looks like it was cribbed directly from Men In Black. The humans struggling with the creatures in the background immediately reminded me of MiB.

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