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Originally Posted by Mike.P
You and me both, Tim - tomorrow I'm making the decision to throw down a pre-purchase on the X360 Add on. We'll be the only college kids at the university with a 58" DLP and HD-DVD, I can damn near guarentee it
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Originally Posted by Tim Glover
Interesting....
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| Bizarro's new attitude As of November, 2006, writer Geoff Johns will be taking a new outlook with the Bizarro character. Before, Bizarro was often considered a joke. Johns says that his new Bizarro will not be the butt of any more jokes, and will be a considerably dangerous villain. He says he wants the character to be frightening, so if you ever ran into him in an alley and saw him floating there, you'd instantly think, "I'm going to die". Hopefully this change is for the better. |
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Originally Posted by Paul_Scott
Brainiac should have been the villan of the first film. Amazingly enough they would have had to change very little to accomplish it to.
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Originally Posted by Paul_Scott
Brainiac should have been the villan of the first film. Amazingly enough they would have had to change very little to accomplish it to.
Braniac (use the Timm version of the character and make him the Kryptonian AI super computer) attaches to the ship as he looking thru the ruins. Show Kal in some form of supsended animation on the journey back so that he is unaware of parasite attached to the ship upon re-entry, Brainiac breaks off and falls into the sea cut out every single bit of Luthor (imo a very small loss here since so much of the material here is a swipe from another persons film) this would have allowed much more room to explore the Clark/Lois/Richard/ the Boy/Superman dynamics- without the need to cut back and forth and see the progression of a Luthor plot line that is ultimately nothing new or original But everything else could play out basically as is- You could even more easily contrive to get Lois and kid on a yatch (some Daily Planet related party or function) which would have been in the area when a 'new krypton' mysteriously arises from the sea. no warning, no foreshadowing, it just begins to appear rest of the film follws the same trajectory except that when Superman arrives on New Krypton, instead of Luthor pulling out kryptonite and dumping him into the water (yet again, arrrggghh) Superman can confront brainiac and they could have had a interesting conversation based on the idea that they are two superior life forms and its in the law of nature for them to supplant this more primitive world with their technology, etc, etc. and Brainiac being mechanical, is immune to kryptonite which imbedded itself within him during the expolsion. but the rest of the film could have resolved itself the same way it does now- he basically picks it up and pitches it off into space (or the sun) I know people hate it when I go on re-writing these movies the way I think they should have been, but honestly- what is lost by canceling out the Luthor material and replacing it a far more appropriate, far more original (i.e not seen 4 films ago) antagonist that would have required VERY LITTLE regiggering of the script durning pre-production. In addition, you could now explore how the world reacts to Superman, when he is, in some form or fashion, the cause of near catastrophe. That would have been interesting and something that the Donner film (#2) would have implied yet never explored itself. Thats whats so maddening to me about that movie- and the prospects for sequels. So much potential for true originality, and the opprotunity was right ther in front of them without almost any effort. If Singer was so blind to see that then, I just have little hope for anything truly unique and original in the future. I hate to harp on it, but someone over on AVS posted frame grabs from the master of SR and the shots look amazing. The film is going to look truly spectacular when it hits HD discs, and I just wish I didn't have to feel guilty watching it knowing so much is a rip off of a film I happen to love. |
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Originally Posted by Norm
I agree on both points. I think the real problem with Singer is the fact that he is mainly a Donner Superman fan and not an actual Superman comic book fan. And in there lies the problem. He doesn't know the Superman universe well enough. And surprisingly his writers didn't help him much.
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Originally Posted by Inspector Hammer!
I'm also not down with Zod, we've seen him too many times now, in Superman II and most recently Smallville, Singer needs to go do some Superman homework and dig deeper than that. Hell, he didn't have any other films to work off of with the X-Men series and look what he did with those, so the man is capable, he just needs to broaden his mind in regards to Superman, that's all.
I recommend that he take a read through the book Superman: The Ultimate Guide to the Man of Steel, it lists a good amount of Supes' enemies in there, Singer could simply choose one or two right from there. My two if I had to choose would be Darkseid and Bizarro, i'd also like to see Doomsday however there is too much baggage there to deal with, fans would be expecting him to kill Superman and then would complain that Singer has no nerve when he doesn't. I fear that it wouldn't work out well for Singer bringing Doomsday into the film series. Still, to see a live-action fight between those two would give this Superman fan a woody lol. Encantadora would also be nice, lots of possibilities for hotness there. |
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Originally Posted by JonZ
"And in there lies the problem. He doesn't know the Superman universe well enough."
Thats why he has writters. I agree the sequel has to go into completely new territory. They want Zod to make a appearance, fine, but the main focus has to go on someone else. I know Michael Dougherty and Singer will be busy with Treat r Treat in upcoming months, but all involved should be reading Superman comics around the clock preparing for the sequel. |
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Originally Posted by CoreyII
Anyway, Paul you mentioned the Bruce Timm Superman animated series, right now I am half way through Justice League Unlimited Season 1, and the "Project Cadmus" storyline is incredible. It is far more engaging than what Singer's crew put out and Luthor is in the center of all the chaos. |
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Originally Posted by CoreyII
As I have mentioned before, the moment I saw Kevin Spacey sneaking into the museum wearing a bad wig for a disguise, I knew right then and there that Bryan Singer, Michael Dougherty , and Dan Harris had no concept of how Superman and his supporting characters are written today. The current incarnation of Luthor,would never stoop as low as to committ a petty crime such a burgulary, he would have one of his henchmen steal the kryptonite and then once it was in his possession he would have it hidden within the vast subterranean levels of Lexcorp.
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Originally Posted by Larry Sutliff
Bryan, I agree. Superman and his supporting cast have a far richer history than the last 15 years or so. Some of the best Superman tales came long before 1990, and some of us prefer the mad scientist Luthor to the evil businessman that has been appearing in the comics since the late eighties.
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