Superman Returns Sequel discussion thread

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I don't know Zack, the creators of Batman and Superman:The Animated Series made it work.

Batman: The Animated series was set in a gritty (that word is so oversused) and real world, yet somehow when the creators brought both heroes together, they made it work beautifully.

Eventually, the Justice League was the result and let me tell you from someone who is almost done watching the final season of Justice League Unlimited, I'm sorry to see this series end.

The entire run of the Justice League is in my opinion the best written superhero material ever outside of the comic book medium. The stories crafted by Bruce Timm and company far surpass anything written by Michael Dougherty, Dan Harris, and David Goyer. I'm definitely in the minority, but I still think pitting an inexperienced Batman against Rhas Al Ghul was not the way to go.

Anyway, not to get to far off subject, but I agree with Tony D, a Justice League film can be done with the right writers.

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I think that line in SR showed some mature sensibilities. "...And the American way" is a bit hokey, IMO, and for a character who can literally save the entire world, is such chest-thumping nationalism really appropriate? SR played up the fact that Superman was sent to guide all of humanity, not just those in the USA.

Save that tag line for the next Rambo movie.

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I think it's a misunderstood line. I don't think Superman has "The American Way" as part of his creed to signify that he "belongs" to America. I think the meaning of it is to signify he fights for the ideals of America which are, for lack of deeper meaning, Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." Ideals which do not apply in all countries of the world. It seemed to have been misunderstood by the writers as well who I believe read too much into it and attached political ideology that they disagreed with to "The American Way" Hence, the removal. The line could easilly re-dubbed for foreign audiences if that was the concern and, IIRC, the "official" the line was changed.

It was dumb for the film to remove "The American Way" from "Truth and Justice. Perry White remembers "Truth, Justice" but ingnores or just forgets "The American Way" part. And it's not like SR was a reboot either. It follows the continuity of S:TM where Superman gave Lois that interview where he stated that he fights for "Truth Justice and The American Way" They should have used the whole line or not have used it at all.

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Batman and Supes can be in a JL movie...It all comes down to one thing.....

-WRITING!

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I think its a little early but I'm putting spoiler tags just in case.

With all the news and rumors surrounding the sequel to Superman Returns lately, another rumor has come to hand regarding possible ideas being discussed for the movie.
As is the way with rumors, these come from someone who knows someone who supposedly works at Warner Bros., and should therefore be taken with a grain of salt...
The script has not yet been written, but discussions are being bounced around in regards to the major villains
Warning Spoiler! Click to show . Again, these are unsubstantiated rumors and should be taken as nothing more at this point in time.
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php

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i'm not buying that rumour.
why would they make that guy that character.
he wasnt even a character in the movie he was just " the guy who happened to do that" in the movie.



yes, thats whay i've been saying.

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I agree, its kinda dumb if he's the same character, but they said he could be another character just the same actor.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying (and I don't think anyone else is either) that the basic characters can't be put together-- just the specific visions shown in Batman Begins and Superman Returns. I've seen all of the Timm DC shows and think they're excellent. That being said BTAS's first episode features Batman battaling a giant transforming man-bat. From the get-go it lends itself more to fantasy.

To retcon the world of Batman Begins so that it allows for Batman to fight on a super-hero crime fighting team that consists of
*Aliens who are invulnerable and fly, alien shape shifters, alien bird men.
*Amazon women with invisible planes.
*The amphibious king of the lost city of Atlantis-who can talk to dolphins and sperm whales.
*A member of an intergalactic police force who's greatest weakness is the color yellow

Contrast that with most of the Batman Begins fans who don't think future films should introduce Robin because he would just be too silly.

I should say that I personally don't feel this way and can watch any movie and see it for its own merits. When I watch The Empire Strikes Back, there is no such thing as f#$king miniclorines or whatever the hell they introduced in the prequels. Most fans don't seem to be this way however, and if you change something down the line it will irrevocably affect the whole series of films for them.

I think if they want to make a JL movie right it has to have Batman and Superman, they are the meat and potatoes. They should make at least one stand-alone film for most of the other leagers and bring them all together a few years from now in what would most certainly be the most expensive film in history. If WB makes the movie right there's no way it couldn't be. Halfassing it now just to subsidize the popularity of Superman is a crime.

I'll throw something random in here at the end about Superman Returns sequel to stay on topic. Metallo is stupid. I quit liked the idea of Braniac being alerted to Superman upon his return to krypton. I hope they go with something similar. I also recall that the filmmakers did say the Superman Returns had threads in it that would be directly picked up in the sequel, much like the original Superman. That would certainly fit the bill.

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Thanks, Will, that's part of the point I was trying to make with the article I linked. I'm not even American, so don't think this is the opinion of someone being irritatingly overpatriotic. I was just disappointed by the way the line was disrespected in the movie (like the writer of the article I posted) as a fan of the Superman mythos and the first two Superman movies. I understand the writers of "Superman Returns" didn't want to sound exclusionary towards the world outside the United States so they altered the line and showed Superman going around the world to save people, but even if I can see the logic behind the decision, I still think it was a stupid one.

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See, I don't even believe that was the reason. As I said, "The American Way" could have easilly been re-debbed for the rest of the world (and I must wonder, if that if "The American Way" is such a marketing concern for the rest of the world, would the Salkinds have allowed it considering their whorish reputation plus the fact that they aren't even American?)

I do believe that the real reason for the removal of the line was because of leftist Hollywood's embarassment by the Bush administration (just saying). Hence my comment about attributing politics to the part of Superman's creed which ironically is supposed to transcend politics and be about the base tenents of what America stands for. It was still "Truth, Justice and The American Way" in 1978, after Vietnam and Watergate. There was no reason to have deleted that part for SR and it really does rob the mythology of the character. Like I said, they should have committed to the line or not used it at all.

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They could make it work. But you wouldn't be able to relate to Superman. Because in order to reconcile the two, the movie must be kept on the level of Batman Begins. When Superman blasts into the heavens, the camera can't follow him into the sky. It has to watch him become a dot from the ground. He is a god among ants, and to maintain the feel of "Begins" they filmmakers would have to mantain the perspective of the ants. Batman must thus be the main character, because Superman must be entirely foreign.

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The main reason there won't be a Superman/Batman team-up film is because WB doesn't want to dilute either character's box office potency.

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I may not agree with every point in that article, but it is a very good piece. Thanks for posting that.

I think the problem with the phrase "and the American way" is its place in the opening of the 1950s TV show (which is a great show). But for many of us, that phrase gets associated with that post-war period, and much has changed about that sort of idea since then. It seemed nationalistic at the time (still does to me), and that's not an ideal I think Superman should be representing.

However, I agree that if you could separate the phrase from the nationalism and associate it instead with notions of freedom from America's earliest days, it would be more agreeable. Unfortunately, I think it will be a very long time before the rest of the world is able to do that, and the character should not be burdened with associations to the current view of America in the world.

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But these films are meant to be timeless, just as the 1978 version is...and he said it in that one. Post Vietnam, post Watergate, etc.

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Hey, just resurrecting this thread because I saw an article at scifi.com that says that Singer is doing a thriller as his next project, meaning that there's no sequel to Superman Returns on deck for now.

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index...ory=3&id=40543

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as was pointed out earlier, it was delivered mostly for the purpose of being the set-up for a punchline.
I would also think it's inclusion was for the benefit of generations watching the film, who had grown up with George Reeves (in fairly unsophisticated 1/2 hour episodes) as the only live action man of steel.

subverting the T, J and the AW line with a punchline, as Lois does ...and the audience laughing along in cynical agreement is a "look how far we've come" reminder as was the films then state of the art special effects.

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Will:

That's old news, and the consensus was that it wouldn't keep Singer from moving forward with the SR sequel.

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Warner Bros wants to alternate the releases of the Batman and Superman sequels so production wouldn't have started for a year anyway. Singer had the time to fill so he slotted that in with United Artists.

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Glad to hear that things are still a go for the Superman sequel with Singer at the helm. Returns is second only to the Donner original, and one of the best superhero movies in recent years (which have not lacked for good superhero movies). Looking forward to the new film (hopefully in '09) and to The Dark Knight next year.

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I always saw that as Lois missing the point as well, or just being her cynical self. Which is why Superman serously retorts "I never lie" which says to me that he takes that creed and the values that it stands for seriously.

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I believe Ilya Salkind pointed out the irony of that line on the commentary.

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Orlando Bloom In "Superman" Sequel?

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/070410g.php

I hope this is false!

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And why you hope it's false?

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yeah why is that?

dont even know what role he has if he's in it.
he a good actor.

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Sorry he's a teen favorite. I'm sick of people that get thrown in my face when in reality they can't carry a movie, Kingdom of Heaven!

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i dont think he's gonna have to carry supes sequal.
probably a smallish role\

i liked kingdom, longer cut

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I did too. But I think the biggest problem with that film was Orlando Bloom in the lead. His performance was just so... stilted. A stronger actor would've made that film a complete masterpiece.

I agree with Norm. Not that I care one way or the other if he's cast in "Superman" but he hasn't shown any range at all in his acting capabilities. He basically plays the same character in ALL of his films. If he is cast in this film, maybe he will be going the Heath Ledger root with a villain role in order to finally show some range.

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the directors cut of heaven is much better.

Jacob

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I thought he was good in Kingdom of Heaven. Can't imagine anyone else.

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Yeah, Bloom won me over in the Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut (never saw the theatrical cut). I have no problem with him in a Superman Returns sequel.