10/12/06 at 2:58pm
- Joined: July 2002
- Location: Vienna, VA
- Post Count: 2,840
My midis bring all the Force to the yard; my midis are better than yours!
Home Theater Forum
›
Forums
›
Hi-Definition
›
HT Hardware - High Definition
›
Official Panasonic DMP-BD10 Blu-Ray player thread
Recent Reviews
-
Toshiba enters the Blu ray world with their first player. Toshiba with universal had gone with HDDVD a few years back and lost. now they are here with the first blu ray player. I had a Toshiba HD-a2...
-
FUNNY PEOPLE 2-Disc Unrated Collector’s Edition Studio: Universal Studios Home Entertainment Year: 2009 Rated:R Film Length: 2 hours, 26 minutes (theatrical), 2 hours, 33 minutes...
-
There are continual jolts of electricity spread throughout Matteo Garrone’s Gomorrah. It’s akin to the shock-to-the-system kick one got when he was first exposed to Martin...
Official Panasonic DMP-BD10 Blu-Ray player thread
10/12/06 at 3:15pm
- Joined: October 2006
- Post Count: 82
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Grant H
I would think they could drop as "low" as $1,000 as new units.
|
That sounds alright to me - $300 dollars off the current MSRP selling price. If you get it online with fee shipping and no taxes, it's a good deal, IMO, for what seems like a pretty solid and fully-featured first-gen unit.
---
Cheers
10/12/06 at 7:36pm
- Joined: February 2006
- Location: Boston, MA
- Post Count: 3,587
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
i've been hearing from my tech-nerds community bulletin boards that 1080p has been outputted over component connection many a times. is this BS... or is there some truth to it?Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Ben_Williams
The Panny outputs 1080p/60... I would assume that the Sigma image processing chip contained in the Panny is responsible for adjustments to the output stage. I could be wrong on this, so if anyone here has any input on this, it would be much appreciated.
Anyway, the Panny outputs 1080p/60 from the HDMI port. 1080i is the highest resolution allowable through the component output. Also, the player will not allow you to even select 1080p from the setup menu unless it is connected via HDMI to a 1080p compatable display. |
to the edge of eternity and depth of infinity, stupidity knows no bound.
10/12/06 at 8:12pm
- Joined: February 2005
- Location: Dallas
- Post Count: 454
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by JediFonger
i've been hearing from my tech-nerds community bulletin boards that 1080p has been outputted over component connection many a times. is this BS... or is there some truth to it?
|
I'm sure it is technically possible to transmit a 1080p signal over a component cable. I just don't think it is possible on any of the current generation of HD-DVD or Blu-Ray players.
10/12/06 at 8:59pm
- Joined: July 2000
- Location: Surf City, USA
- Post Count: 5,309
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Quote:
| Apparently, the Panny is now getting pretty hard to get. Crutchfield is now sold out of the unit and so are most B&M stores. So, I wouldn't count on significant price breaks anytime soon. |
Sometime's you reach what's real by making believe.
10/12/06 at 10:57pm
- Joined: October 2002
- Location: Houston, TX
- Post Count: 3,165
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Ben_Williams
I'm sure it is technically possible to transmit a 1080p signal over a component cable. I just don't think it is possible on any of the current generation of HD-DVD or Blu-Ray players.
|
An excerpt from this article at the Electronic Frontiers Foundation (my emphasis) :
Quote:
| Anything analog, however, can be converted back into digital form and copied. To Hollywood, this feature looks like a bug, one they call the "analog hole.".............Hollywood wants to change all that, enlisting federal bureaucrats to regulate technology companies and hobble anything that touches analog video outputs, including video cards, VCRs, PVRs, and much more. By government mandate, all analog-to-digital technologies would have to obey copyright holders' commands and have their hoods welded shut, cutting off user modifications and open source developers. |
10/13/06 at 2:03am
- Joined: December 2002
- Post Count: 2,034
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Quote:
| and most of the films out right now can't match that of HD-DVD I won't buy any Blu-ray films |
Hmmm. Got troll much?
Unless it's before August/Sep 2006....when the majority of newly released BD titles began either matching or exceeding their counterparts.
PeterTHX
10/13/06 at 4:51am
- Joined: September 2006
- Location: Montreal
- Post Count: 78
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Grant H
...
My only fear is the mutichannel analog outputs will disappear down the road, and I want to get those since I'm not looking to upgrade my receiver anytime soon. Question: Are the DD and DTS lossless codecs really capable of being processes in the player and passed over the MC analog outs? I thought those would be digital or HDMI only, and just the PCM would be available on the analogs. It would be really cool if they were available via analog since it makes all those 5.1/7.1-ready receivers worth keeping, especially if the PCM tracks don't hang around. |
No one can answer your question? Then I'll try:
Go to: http://panasonic.com/consumer_electr...ay/default.asp
and click: "Lifelike HD Audio"
At the bottom of the page it says: "Blu-Ray compatible receiver and 7.1 -channel speaker system required".
My understanding is that you are asked to invest in an eventual Blu-Ray receiver.
Toshiba 57HDX82, SA8300HD, Yamaha RX-V540, Energy speakers, SVS PB12, 880, HD-A1 with Powerline Bridge for Ethernet
10/13/06 at 5:22am
- Joined: October 2006
- Post Count: 82
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
The Panasonic comes with a registration card in the box for a future firmware upgrade to support decoding Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA in the box. There will be no need to use HDMI for the lossless codecs unless you want to do further DSP processing to the signal, or use outboard DACS with a superior analogue stage. The signal will be decoded and passed, full resolution, right through the analogue outs.---
Cheers
10/13/06 at 5:39am
- Joined: September 2006
- Location: Montreal
- Post Count: 78
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by GoldenRedux
The Panasonic comes with a registration card in the box for a future firmware upgrade to support decoding Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA in the box. There will be no need to use HDMI for the lossless codecs unless you want to do further DSP processing to the signal, or use outboard DACS with a superior analogue stage. The signal will be decoded and passed, full resolution, right through the analogue outs.
|
Good. Are some BR movies now released with selectable audio tracks in DD TrueHD or DTS-HD? These movies would be a good investment for the Panasonic owners.
BTW, those who like watching Legends of Jazz on PBSHD... if you go to legendsofjazz.com you can order a BR DVD with these wonderful jazz musicians. Tried to have them do it in HD DVD and the answer was no.
Toshiba 57HDX82, SA8300HD, Yamaha RX-V540, Energy speakers, SVS PB12, 880, HD-A1 with Powerline Bridge for Ethernet
10/13/06 at 5:56am
- Joined: October 2006
- Post Count: 82
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by mfabien
Good. Are some BR movies now released with selectable audio tracks in DD TrueHD or DTS-HD? These movies would be a good investment for the Panasonic owners.
|
Quote:
| BTW, those who like watching Legends of Jazz on PBSHD... if you go to legendsofjazz.com you can order a BR DVD with these wonderful jazz musicians. Tried to have them do it in HD DVD and the answer was no. |
(yummy) and Dave Brubeck epsiosdes. 
I wonder what kind of audio they have on there?
---
Cheers
10/13/06 at 6:08am
- Joined: September 2006
- Location: Montreal
- Post Count: 78
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by GoldenRedux
...
I have this title on order. This was a great series. I watched the whole thing on my local PBS-HD OTA channel. I especially liked the Jane Monheit (yummy) and Dave Brubeck epsiosdes. I wonder what kind of audio they have on there? |
Ditto for Jane Monheit. Hope to get trumpeter Chris Botti. I suspect the recording will be in DD 5.1, just like the original broadcast. But if it comes in DD Plus, you will love it (your receiver will decode with the DTS decoder because of the amount of bitrate).
I've recorded all of the episodes in my DVR. I am considering buying an expansion Hard Drive to double my storage capacity so that I may keep these recordings.
Toshiba 57HDX82, SA8300HD, Yamaha RX-V540, Energy speakers, SVS PB12, 880, HD-A1 with Powerline Bridge for Ethernet
10/13/06 at 11:59am
- Joined: February 2006
- Location: Boston, MA
- Post Count: 3,587
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
the sadistic side of me wants the DRM rules to be so strict that it touches people's lives directly... THEN we'll have a revolt/revolution so that the rules are changed and freed up once again =). people dunno what they're missing if you take their freedom away.Quote:
|
Originally Posted by LanceJ
An excerpt from this article at the Electronic Frontiers Foundation (my emphasis) :
The EFF has gone to bat at the federal level many times - and won - for the citizens of this country (remember those people?) to help maintain our rights and are not some rinky-dink backwater organization. |
to the edge of eternity and depth of infinity, stupidity knows no bound.
10/14/06 at 5:07am
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Again, this section of the forum was setup for owners of Blu-ray players and those who are not, who may have questions about the Blu-ray format. I've seen too many posts from HD DVD player owners that are not asking questions, but instead are invoking their opinion that Blu-ray is an inferior format to HD DVD. Furthermore, I've notice some Blu-ray advocates posting their non-related opinion about this format without even owning such a player as of yet.Please, respect our posting guidelines to this area as well as the HD DVD owner area. If not, further disciplinary action will take place without any further warnings.
| We will not allow arguments and discussions of the "format wars" in this haven of high resolution goodness. Seriously, if you don't have a practical question for an owner or if your "question" remotely looks like a statement (to invite format comparisons), then simply hang back, lest you be put on the sidelines for disruptive "contributions." |
Crawdaddy
G.W. McLintock: Camille, you're on your own.
10/14/06 at 6:28am
- Joined: July 2002
- Location: Vienna, VA
- Post Count: 2,840
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by GoldenRedux
The Panasonic comes with a registration card in the box for a future firmware upgrade to support decoding Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA in the box. There will be no need to use HDMI for the lossless codecs unless you want to do further DSP processing to the signal, or use outboard DACS with a superior analogue stage. The signal will be decoded and passed, full resolution, right through the analogue outs.
|
It's nice that there are some 5.1 uncompressed PCM titles out there until the lossless Dobly/DTS tracks hit. I really thought the only audio benefit I'd gain was "better" DD and DTS. Nice to know I'll actually be able to take advantage of the lossless formats and uncompressed PCM without upgrading my receiver. It never got much SACD use, but those inputs have a future now!
EDIT: Looking again at the Sony Style page for their BluRay player, I saw no indication of SACD capability. Sad, them leaving their own player out in the cold. Then again, the Panny is $300 more, so maybe that's buying the high-res audio capability. The prices are high, but not astronomical I guess, when you can potentially walk away with a great HD player, a great upscaling DVD player, and a great high-res audio player all in one package. People (but not I) have been shelling out this kind of dough for high-end DVD/SACD or DVD/DVD-A players for years. There are bound to be price breaks after the technology is out for a while, especially with the holidays approaching. And though it hasn't seemed to happen yet, the very existence of HD-DVD should help drive prices down (then again, aren't some of the new HD-DVD players going up?).
My midis bring all the Force to the yard; my midis are better than yours!
10/14/06 at 8:34am
- Joined: February 2005
- Location: Dallas
- Post Count: 454
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Ron-P
That's fine. With Sony still using mostly mpeg2 and most of the films out right now can't match that of HD-DVD I won't buy any Blu-ray films.
|
If you'll take a look at some of the new Paramount flicks for Blu-Ray, they have been encoded with Mpeg-2 and are exceeding the quality of their VC-1 HD-DVD counterparts. In reality, there is nothing wrong with Mpeg-2 if the encode is done with care. D-Theater and the latest batch of Blu-Ray movies prove this.
10/14/06 at 9:06am
- Joined: July 2000
- Location: Surf City, USA
- Post Count: 5,309
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
That's good news Ben, thanks. I have not seen any Blu-ray titles in the last month.I would like more details, if you can provide them, on how they are exceeding HD-DVDs PQ, I'd think it could match that of HD-DVDs PQ, but exceed it? That's awesome if true, I'd be more willing to drop the coin sooner for a player if so.
Sometime's you reach what's real by making believe.
10/14/06 at 9:18am
- Joined: February 2005
- Location: Dallas
- Post Count: 454
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Ron-P
That's good news Ben, thanks. I have not seen any Blu-ray titles in the last month.
I would like more details, if you can provide them, on how they are exceeding HD-DVDs PQ, I'd think it could match that of HD-DVDs PQ, but exceed it? That's awesome if true, I'd be more willing to drop the coin sooner for a player if so. |
From what I've seen so-far with respect to the Paramount titles, the images have had better color depth, less noise, less grain and better fine detail. Of course, I'm using the Panny for the comparison and others have reported that with viewing on the Samsung, the image is slightly softer than the HD-DVD versions, yet still manages to offer a better image due to improved color and less visible grain and noise. My hunch is that the initial controversy regarding codecs is going to quiet down very soon as the current playing field seems to point to excellent transfers regardless of compression scheme.
Of particular note are: "Four Brothers" and "Sleepy Hollow". I found that both of these titles just "popped" more than their HD-DVD counterparts. I think the Mission Impossible discs should make for some very interesting comparisons.
10/14/06 at 5:40pm
- Joined: June 2000
- Post Count: 2,795
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Thanks for all of the info, Ben.On your SLEEPY HOLLOW comparision: does the BD have the same grainy appearance as the HD DVD, or does it look different?
10/14/06 at 5:51pm
- Joined: February 2005
- Location: Dallas
- Post Count: 454
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Larry Sutliff
Thanks for all of the info, Ben.
On your SLEEPY HOLLOW comparision: does the BD have the same grainy appearance as the HD DVD, or does it look different? |
Well.. it still has some grain, but it is a very grainy film. The best way to describe the difference is that the Blu-Ray version has more depth to it and the grain seems a little smoother. These are minute differences that many people probably wouldn't notice. However, for discriminating viewer it does make a difference. Certainly, the HD-DVD presentation is also excellent... I just prefer the Blu-Ray and I think many would agree.
Anyone else had a chance to check it out?
10/14/06 at 7:13pm
- Joined: October 1999
- Post Count: 1,545
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Quote:
| The most important thing I can point out is that I noticed considerably less macroblocking |
Why is this still an issue? Can't the chipmaker get it right by now? Poor choices in software, use of an inferior codec, macroblocking still present in hardware, price through the roof. What else can BR offer me to take me past these hurdles and purchase a unit?
10/14/06 at 9:06pm
- Joined: February 2005
- Location: Dallas
- Post Count: 454
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Kevin. W
Why is this still an issue? Can't the chipmaker get it right by now? Poor choices in software, use of an inferior codec, macroblocking still present in hardware, price through the roof. What else can BR offer me to take me past these hurdles and purchase a unit?
|
I was referencing a bit of macroblocking that I saw during The Fifth Element. This is a poorly done transfer and the macroblocking could and most like is a result of that bad transfer. Don't blame the hardware... You'll notice that I've seen macroblocking exactly ONCE during repeated testing of this player on a multitude of titles from a variety of studios.
For the record, I've seen macroblocking on HD-DVD as well. This is a non-issue for either format as long as the encodes are done properly.
10/14/06 at 9:52pm
- Joined: February 2005
- Location: Dallas
- Post Count: 454
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by GoldenRedux
I know this is unlikely, since the unit is really video oriented, but does it allow you to turn off the video section, like the Denon does, when playing back DVD-As?
|
Just a followup to this question. I must have missed it before, but there is a selection in the setup menus to disable the video during DVD-A playback. It isn't nearly as convenient as a front panel button, but it is nice that they though of including this feature.
10/15/06 at 8:47am
- Joined: October 2006
- Post Count: 82
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Ben_Williams
Just a followup to this question. I must have missed it before, but there is a selection in the setup menus to disable the video during DVD-A playback. It isn't nearly as convenient as a front panel button, but it is nice that they though of including this feature.
|
EDIT: Just some more questions on the topic. Does the setting turn the video section off automatically during DVD-A playback, and then back on again for video discs, or is it something you have to turn back on again? Also, is it just during DVD-A playback, or would it also be off for CD playback and potentially any audio-only Blu-ray discs that may come out down the road?
---
Cheers
10/16/06 at 1:49pm
- Joined: October 2006
- Post Count: 6
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
And more positive reviews:Quote:
| The Panasonic DMP-BD10 Blu-ray player delivered phenomenal picture and sound quality, there is no question about it. This player undeniably proved to me the potential of the Blu-ray format. |
http://www.canadahifi.com/review52.php
10/16/06 at 2:09pm
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Positive review yes. More or less. But which BD movie did he watch on it? He hardly speaks about that.Were the MPEG-2 transfers already better, or did he watch a VP-1 compression? One has to wonder, and that's what we would like to know.
Cees
10/16/06 at 2:18pm
- Joined: February 1999
- Post Count: 8,787
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Great review. Just what I've been hoping for!Quote:
| The box comes packed with a mail-in card that will allow the user to receive a free firmware update in the mail when Dolby Digital True HD and DTS HD are made available on the player. |
Fantastic. As long as the Panny can be flashed to do advanced audio, then the investment might be worth it. Now I just have to wait and see how the PS3 performs to make up my mind!
Thanks for the great review!
10/16/06 at 6:41pm
- Joined: July 2001
- Location: Whittier, California
- Post Count: 2,598
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
How well built is the Panasonic DMP-BD10 really? How good is the performance of this player? I have allways been weiry about buying a Panasonic player for my HT. Will there actually be a Dolby True HD and DTS-HD upgrade for this player?I have put off both the Sony and Pioneer Elite Bluray players because they do not have the ability to decode DTHD or DTSHD. And with no way to output ether format to a upcoming reciever. I have decided to put off buying a player to avoid having to purchase a second player later. I do however like the fact that the DMP-BD10 has a 7.1 output instead of a 5.1. This is another one of my problems with the other Bluray players, only having 5.1 analog outputs and a HDMI 1.2 output. I would love to know how well the video from the DMP-BD10 looks conected to a projector using a 100" screen. My goal is to have not only a HD-DVD player but a Bluray player as well. And to upgrade to a 1080p projector so both players must have close to flawless video.
1080p High Definition SupporterLossless Audio Supporter Current Library: 221 DVD's / 70 HD-DVD's / 181 Blu-ray's (251 HD Titles)
10/17/06 at 6:07am
- Joined: October 2006
- Post Count: 82
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Dave Moritz
Will there actually be a Dolby True HD and DTS-HD upgrade for this player?
|
Did you miss this little tidbit?
Quote:
| The box comes packed with a mail-in card that will allow the user to receive a free firmware update in the mail when Dolby Digital True HD and DTS HD are made available on the player. |
---
Cheers
10/17/06 at 7:28am
- Joined: February 1999
- Post Count: 8,787
Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10
