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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Ben

Thanks for the review.

How does the audio on this machine sound on this machine when comparing the processor/DACs on the Panasonic's analogue outs in comparison to your Rotel's processor/DACs? Have you tried this comparison?

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Hey Michael!

I did, actually... I'm not sure what's inside the Panny, but it must have some pretty nice DACs. I noticed that there was very little descernable difference between the Rotel and the Panny. I also compared DVD-A performance between the Panny and the Denon DVD-2910 with its Burr-Brown chipset. It was also a wash. Whatever they packed into the Panny is of very nice quality. I just wish it would play SACD, so I could eliminate the DVD-2910.
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Does it offer an option to zoom 4:3 material, in the event it is 4:3 letterboxed?

I didn't try out that feature as my TV does a nice zoom. I'll check it out tonight and report back.

EDIT: The Panny does have a zoom feature!
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Thanks for the added pics!
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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so does it officially output 1080p/60 AND 1080p/24 or not?

I've found no available settings for 1080p/24. I think it is safe to say that this one doesn't support it.
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Hey Michael!

I did, actually... I'm not sure what's inside the Panny, but it must have some pretty nice DACs. I noticed that there was very little descernable difference between the Rotel and the Panny. I also compared DVD-A performance between the Panny and the Denon DVD-2910 with its Burr-Brown chipset. It was also a wash. Whatever they packed into the Panny is of very nice quality. I just wish it would play SACD, so I could eliminate the DVD-2910.


That's great to hear, no pun intended. If the Panny sounds good in comparison to your Denon DVD-2910, then I'm sure it would sound favourably compared to my Denon DVD-2200, which I think sounds superb playing DVD-As. As I have a Sony XA9000ES SACD/CD player, I'm not concerned about SACD playback on anything else, which means I'd be able to ditch the Denon and replace it with the Panny.

I know this is unlikely, since the unit is really video oriented, but does it allow you to turn off the video section, like the Denon does, when playing back DVD-As?

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I didn't try out that feature as my TV does a nice zoom. I'll check it out tonight and report back.


Thank. My Samsung DLP does not allow me to zoom anything on DVI.

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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Awesome review Ben, thanks!

Soon after Christmas I'm hoping some of the big box stores will get some BR player returns so I can pick one up on the cheap.

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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Awesome review Ben, thanks!

Soon after Christmas I'm hoping some of the big box stores will get some BR player returns so I can pick one up on the cheap.


I'm waiting on some sort of holdiay season sale pricing or refurbs myself.

This MSRP pricing just isn't cutting it for me.

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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

thx.

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I've found no available settings for 1080p/24. I think it is safe to say that this one doesn't support it.

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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Awesome review Ben, thanks!

Soon after Christmas I'm hoping some of the big box stores will get some BR player returns so I can pick one up on the cheap.

I bought mine with a 10% off coupon from a major retailer. So, If you just can't wait any longer for HD on disc, it is absolutely possible to buy this unit for less than the $1300 MSRP today.
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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I know this is unlikely, since the unit is really video oriented, but does it allow you to turn off the video section, like the Denon does, when playing back DVD-As?
Thank. My Samsung DLP does not allow me to zoom anything on DVI.

Unfortunately, it doesn't have an option to disable the video circuit for audio playback. I always really liked that feature on my DVD-1600... very thoughtful design on Denon's part.
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Unfortunately, it doesn't have an option to disable the video circuit for audio playback. I always really liked that feature on my DVD-1600... very thoughtful design on Denon's part.

That is too bad, but if it doesn't have any detectable adverse affect on the sound, I suppose it's not a big deal, It would surely be a nice feature though.

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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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I bought mine with a 10% off coupon from a major retailer. So, If you just can't wait any longer for HD on disc, it is absolutely possible to buy this unit for less than the $1300 MSRP today.


It seems everyone but myself is able to track down these 10% off coupouns.

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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Congrats, Ben!

If not 1080p 24, what?
And how does it 'transfer' the 1080p 24 to the units 'native' output?
Thanks & have fun in HD land.

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Opps!
Sorry.
I linked to this review from the home page. Did not know it was in the "Blu-Ray Owners" forum, till after I posted.
Mods, remove if non-owners can't post here.
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

have just ordered one of these players.

Can you please tell me the type of power cord that goes into it. Is it like a PC one (as with the HD-DVD players).

I need to know because I have to see whether one of my old step down transformers will work.

thanks!
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Congrats, Ben!

If not 1080p 24, what?
And how does it 'transfer' the 1080p 24 to the units 'native' output?
Thanks & have fun in HD land.

Thanks.
The Panny outputs 1080p/60... I would assume that the Sigma image processing chip contained in the Panny is responsible for adjustments to the output stage. I could be wrong on this, so if anyone here has any input on this, it would be much appreciated.

Anyway, the Panny outputs 1080p/60 from the HDMI port. 1080i is the highest resolution allowable through the component output. Also, the player will not allow you to even select 1080p from the setup menu unless it is connected via HDMI to a 1080p compatable display.
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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have just ordered one of these players.

Can you please tell me the type of power cord that goes into it. Is it like a PC one (as with the HD-DVD players).

I need to know because I have to see whether one of my old step down transformers will work.

thanks!

It is not a PC power cord, but a smaller removable design identical to what was used on my Denon DVD players. I've also seen this type of power cord on Playstation. I'll post a photo this evening for clarification.
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Stellar review Ben thanks! Now quit answering questions and go enjoy that new gear.

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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

New pics added to the review...
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Questio regarding the pcm7.1 capabilities... how many cables does it take to have full advantage of pcm7.1? Pcm5.1 uses 6 cables that connect to the receiver so does pcm7.1 use 8 cables or 6 and will pcm7.1 work with existing receivers then? If the player has inhouse capabilities to process ddtrue hd and dts lossless then will it work with existing receivers that only have hdmi 1.1 capability and not hdmi 1.3?

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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Questio regarding the pcm7.1 capabilities... how many cables does it take to have full advantage of pcm7.1? Pcm5.1 uses 6 cables that connect to the receiver so does pcm7.1 use 8 cables or 6 and will pcm7.1 work with existing receivers then? If the player has inhouse capabilities to process ddtrue hd and dts lossless then will it work with existing receivers that only have hdmi 1.1 capability and not hdmi 1.3?


You will need a total of 8 cables to take advantage of 7.1. Your receiver needs to have 7.1 inputs as well. If your receiver only has 5.1 inputs, then you are limited to 5.1 sound. The player will do all of the processing, so this will work with existing receivers. If you want to send the multi-channel info via HDMI, then you will need a receiver with an HDMI input and the capability of processing advanced audio formats. I do believe, however, that 7.1 PCM can be sent and handled properly by any current receiver with HDMI inputs. No additional processing is required as PCM audio is the equivalent of sound from a CD player.
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

How's the fan noise on this? Is it even audible?
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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How's the fan noise on this? Is it even audible?

Í haven't heard any fan noise at all from the Panny... it is VERY quiet!
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Nice. My Sammy is inaudible as well, which was a major factor me. Another aesthetic question: are there a lot of lights on the unit itself and can they be dimmed?
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Nice. My Sammy is inaudible as well, which was a major factor me. Another aesthetic question: are there a lot of lights on the unit itself and can they be dimmed?

The unit has few lights save one annoying blue light on the front panel that is illuminated whenever a blu-ray disc is played. There is also a digital readout that gives the current time into the particular movie. Fortunately, when the unit is set in "Dim" mode, the blue light is disabled and the readout is very dim. So, none of it is distracting in the least.
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

No such feature on the Sammy . Anyway, sounds like the Panny is a winner. Enjoy!
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

This is very encouraging. Reminds me of the good 'ol days of DVD when we all looked for the highest quality player instead of picking one up for $70 at Wal-Mart!

I'll have to keep my eye on the Pannys. I'm also looking forward to to the Pioneer and Sony models, but Panasonic put out some really good DVD players before they cheaped out I'm guessing the Sony will play SACD as well? Not that it much matters as I have one SACD disc, but why not get more out of those analog outputs?

I want to wait until 3rd generation. My only fear is the mutichannel analog outputs will disappear down the road, and I want to get those since I'm not looking to upgrade my receiver anytime soon.

Question: Are the DD and DTS lossless codecs really capable of being processes in the player and passed over the MC analog outs? I thought those would be digital or HDMI only, and just the PCM would be available on the analogs. It would be really cool if they were available via analog since it makes all those 5.1/7.1-ready receivers worth keeping, especially if the PCM tracks don't hang around.

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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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This MSRP pricing just isn't cutting it for me.
Yep, and the sad part, there's no justification for it.

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I bought mine with a 10% off coupon from a major retailer. So, If you just can't wait any longer for HD on disc, it is absolutely possible to buy this unit for less than the $1300 MSRP today.
Less then $1,300, sure but I'm going to wait until I can find one for at least half that. If it takes a year so be it, I'm in no hurry and there are very, very few BD titles out now that I'd even buy.

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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Yep, and the sad part, there's no justification for it.


Less then $1,300, sure but I'm going to wait until I can find one for at least half that. If it takes a year so be it, I'm in no hurry and there are very, very few BD titles out now that I'd even buy.

Apparently, the Panny is now getting pretty hard to get. Crutchfield is now sold out of the unit and so are most B&M stores. So, I wouldn't count on significant price breaks anytime soon.
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

I'd expect price breaks right before they release their 2nd-generation model.

My 2nd gen Toshiba DVD player could be had for $400 after initially debuting at $800 back in the day. Of course, that "flagship" wasn't even DTS capable. Ahh, the old days.

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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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I'd expect price breaks right before they release their 2nd-generation model.

I don't know, I'm thinking we'll see some deals for the holiday shopping season. The Samsung is already dropping below the $600 mark is some places, even lower for refurbs.

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