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10/22/06 at 4:25pm
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Yeah, for some discs, but for the better discs, most especially VC1 stuff, the Samsung plays them quite well. It plays the MPEG2 Tears Of The Sun well too. It's just some discs, bloody wrong discs, eh???

Yeah, I just bought into the Sammy BD last month and have stuck with the newer releases and I've had really no issue with the PQ, especially after the FW upgrade.
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10/22/06 at 4:52pm
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Ben

Are you finding the menus to be a little sluggish?? I find myself hitting the buttons a few times to get a cursor to move on the action menus!!!

I haven't really noticed any sluggishness with the menus, actually... MUCH faster than the Sammy! I'm not, however, using the Panny remote anymore. I programmed my universal remote to control the Panny. Maybe you are just having a remote issue?

BTW, the promo code for the Panny DVD offer is: 5366859L

You will also need your player's serial number.
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10/22/06 at 7:32pm
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Did you try playing a CD or DVD-A without powering on the TV?
Haha. I don't think that was quite the point.

But didn't it turn out it DOES have the feature to disable the video circuitry for audio playback. Seems to me he found the feature later.

I think what he might have been referring to was the HDMI 2-way communication feature: if the TV was on, it sends a "note" back to the player that it is activated so the player keeps its video section powered up. I read a post here last month by another member saying that when he turned off their TV when their DVR was recording an HD channel, the cable box (also connected via HDMI to the TV) shut itself off......or something like that. This system resembles JVC's "CompuLink" and Pioneer's own system control feature but only works with their own gear.
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10/22/06 at 7:56pm
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

I may just end up giving the Panasonic DMP-BD10 Blu-Ray Player a chance if the Sony and or the Pioneer does not come out with internal decoding and or HDMI 1.3. I can't believe that both of these players have been pushed back yet again. I hope there is a good excuse and that we will be rewarded with the features that should have been included to begin with. That is the only way at this point for me to run out and purchase a Sony or Pioneer Blu-ray player. If nether player offers internal decoding and 7.1 analog outputs then its the Panasonic for me. If I do not purchase the Panasonic then I will wait for the HDMI 1.3 models to be available.

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10/22/06 at 9:53pm
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

It amazes me; the way Sony and Pioneer keep pushing things back their competitiors will have 2nd gen. machines out before they put out their 1st. Maybe they're going to try to offer more or be competitive with those 2nd gen machines, but if they're not careful it could backfire and the competition will know just what they have to do to their 2nd gen players to totally blow away Sony and Pioneer.

I'm just glad the Panasonic seems to be setting an early benchmark after the Samsung surely didn't.

I hadn't put much thought into future 7.1 formats before, but now that I realized my receiver IS 7.1 capable, I definitely want 7.1 analog outs too.

Uncompressed PCM is a great offering as it is, but I can certainly see why they'd want some compression, even with the new, more efficient video codecs. If we start seeing 7.1 titles that would be asking for a lot of space if they were handled uncompressed.

I DO hope the PS3 succeeds in giving Blu-Ray a much needed boost because my mouth is really watering. Of course even when prices start to fall, I'm going to have to secure that second job to pay for my new toy.

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10/23/06 at 11:03am
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

I re-viewed Stargate last night using the Panasonic and the film went went from unwatchable, comfortably (!), to not bad, for this unevenly shot film. The Samsung left sheets of noise in all scenes. Sometimes it was just overwhelming. It's now very watchable....

Rachael, the big disc cat! I used to be looking for Hi-Vision Laserdiscs & D-Theater tapes, now I'm looking for HD-DVD's and Blu-rays.

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10/23/06 at 11:20am
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Originally Posted by Rachael B
I re-viewed Stargate last night using the Panasonic and the film went went from unwatchable, comfortably (!), to not bad, for this unevenly shot film. The Samsung left sheets of noise in all scenes. Sometimes it was just overwhelming. It's now very watchable....

So, Rachael, have you gotten your Samsung back yet and does it have the 1.0 firmware update in it?

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10/23/06 at 6:54pm
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Am looking throught the owners manual right now and its interesting.

Panasonic DMP-BD10 Bluray Player

Packaged Discs Compatability:
BD-Video, DVD Video, DVD-Audio, Video CD, CD

Blank Disc Compatability:
DVD Ram 4.7, DVD -R/RW, DVD -R DL, DVD V +R/RW/R DL, CD-R/RW

Other Formats:
MP3 and JPEG

Component Video: 1080i/720p/480p/480i

Audio Performance -
Frequency Response:
DVD Linear Audio 2Hz-22KHz (48kHz Sampling)
DVD Linear Audio 2Hz-44KHz (96kHz Sampling)
DVD Audio 2Hz-88KHz (192kHz Sampling)
CD Audio 2Hz-20KHz
S/N Ratio 125 db
Dynamic Range 118 db
Total Harmonic Distortion 0.0012 %

HDMI AV Output
Output Format
Video 1080p/1080i/730p/480p
Audio 192kHz/96kHz/48kHz/44.1kHz

And it looks like it will do LPCM as well so maybe I should give this player a closer look? Has anyone tried to play a DTS-HD disc on this player yet converting it to LPCM? I actually prefer the look of the Sony, Pioneer and even the Samsung over the Panasonic. I need to see this player in the flesh before actually deciding its a bad looking player. I was looking foward to a Pioneer, Sony or Denon Bluray player when I heard Bluray was coming.
If I do buy the Panasonic player I hope the audio upgrade is made available really soon. Some features I really like are upgradable to Dolby True HD and DTS-HD, 7.1 analog outputs, LPCM and DVD-Audio playback. At least I can listen to my DVD-A's until I have HDMI on my reciever so I can use my Denon DVD-2200 again for DVD-A.

Possible HT configuration upgrade
Adcom 7.1 HDMI Reciever (Dolby True HD & DTS-HD)
Toshiba HD-A1 HD-DVD Player - Currently Own
Panasonic DMP-BD10 Bluray Player
Sony VPL-VW50 1080p Projector
Stewart Film Screen 120" Screen

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10/23/06 at 8:12pm
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Originally Posted by GoldenRedux
So, Rachael, have you gotten your Samsung back yet and does it have the 1.0 firmware update in it?

I hope it comes back soon. I'm planning to rearrange my upstairs system and insert the Samsung in it. Really, I'm too busy playing with the Panasonic to care exactly what day the Samsung comes back.

Rachael, the big disc cat! I used to be looking for Hi-Vision Laserdiscs & D-Theater tapes, now I'm looking for HD-DVD's and Blu-rays.

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10/23/06 at 8:20pm
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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I hope it comes back soon. I'm planning to rearrange my upstairs system and insert the Samsung in it. Really, I'm too busy playing with the Panasonic to care exactly what day the Samsung comes back.
Hey Rachael, while you're enjoying that Panasonic and not missing your Samsung - HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Careful man! There's a beverage here!

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10/23/06 at 9:08pm
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Hey Rachael, while you're enjoying that Panasonic and not missing your Samsung - HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Thank you!-!-! I'm going to Sleepy Hollow....

Rachael, the big disc cat! I used to be looking for Hi-Vision Laserdiscs & D-Theater tapes, now I'm looking for HD-DVD's and Blu-rays.

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10/23/06 at 10:01pm
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Thank you!-!-! I'm going to Sleepy Hollow....
Don't lose your head about the Panny's performance.




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10/24/06 at 2:28am
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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And it looks like it will do LPCM as well so maybe I should give this player a closer look? Has anyone tried to play a DTS-HD disc on this player yet converting it to LPCM? I actually prefer the look of the Sony, Pioneer and even the Samsung over the Panasonic. I need to see this player in the flesh before actually deciding its a bad looking player. I was looking foward to a Pioneer, Sony or Denon Bluray player when I heard Bluray was coming.
If I do buy the Panasonic player I hope the audio upgrade is made available really soon. Some features I really like are upgradable to Dolby True HD and DTS-HD, 7.1 analog outputs, LPCM and DVD-Audio playback. At least I can listen to my DVD-A's until I have HDMI on my reciever so I can use my Denon DVD-2200 again for DVD-A.

Possible HT configuration upgrade
Adcom 7.1 HDMI Reciever (Dolby True HD & DTS-HD)
Toshiba HD-A1 HD-DVD Player - Currently Own
Panasonic DMP-BD10 Bluray Player
Sony VPL-VW50 1080p Projector
Stewart Film Screen 120" Screen

There are no DTS-HD music disc at the present time. But the Panasonic has a DTS decoder and it can certainly play a DTS music disc just like your HD-A1.

Where did you hear that Adcom 7.1 with HDMI switching would come out with DD TrueHD and DTS-HD decoders? I just look at the specs:

http://ca.shop.com/amos/cc/main/prod...4616/ccsyn/261
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10/24/06 at 5:32am
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Originally Posted by Dave Moritz
...I hope the audio upgrade is made available really soon. Some features I really like are upgradable to Dolby True HD and DTS-HD, 7.1 analog outputs, LPCM and DVD-Audio playback. At least I can listen to my DVD-A's until I have HDMI on my reciever so I can use my Denon DVD-2200 again for DVD-A....

This is why I went with the Panasonic - the features are too much to pass up. Once they issue the firmware upgrade, really the only thing it won't do is BD-Live, and I'm not so sure that's a must have technology for me anyhow. I plan on using the Panasonic for DVD-A playback as well and ditching my Denon DVD-2200, unless the Panasonic sounds like complete rubbish in comparison, which I highly doubt. For SACD, I have a Sony XA9000ES SACD/CD player, so I'm not concerned about the Panasonic not being a universal in the audio sense of it.

One thing that does bother me is the Panasonic won't do PAl->NTSC conversion for DVDs. The Denon, as you know, does this (though very poorly, IMO) and I have also applied a region-free firmware hack to mine, so it plays absolutely everything. However, like SACD playback, I have another option for PAL and non-region 1 coded discs and that is my Mac Pro. That is what I usually use to play PAL discs anyway, as I get a much better picture playing them back from my Mac using either VLC or MPlayer (for anything other than Region 1 or Region 0) into my Samsung HD DLP via DVI. If they are Region 0, I might use Apple's DVD Player software, or else I'll rip them and strip the region coding and use DVD Player, because I prefer its interface to MPlayer and VLC.

The Panasonic will also allow me to get rid of my Samsung DVD-HD931 upscaling DVD player w/DVI. So I will be down to two players (XA9000ES and Panasonic) from three.

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10/24/06 at 5:39am
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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I hope it comes back soon. I'm planning to rearrange my upstairs system and insert the Samsung in it. Really, I'm too busy playing with the Panasonic to care exactly what day the Samsung comes back.

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10/24/06 at 7:00am
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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The Panasonic will also allow me to get rid of my Samsung DVD-HD931 upscaling DVD player w/DVI. So I will be down to two players (XA9000ES and Panasonic) from three.

So, from where did you end up geting your Panasonic? When are you expecting it! Of course, you know, we are expecting a full report when it does arrive
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10/24/06 at 8:32am
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Happy Birthday, Rachael!
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10/24/06 at 9:35am
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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So, from where did you end up geting your Panasonic? When are you expecting it! Of course, you know, we are expecting a full report when it does arrive

I ordered one from Abt. Unfortunately, they are out of stock, so I am waiting fro the next batch. They are showing '7 to 14 days', but we know that could be wildly inaccurate considering the low quantity of these units being produced. I'm also wondering now if the second batch of players will also have the coupon and the copy of Eight Below, or if we late comers will get stiffed.

Rest assured, I will give a report.

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10/24/06 at 9:37am
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Happy Birthday, Rachael!


Hey yo! Ray-ray.

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10/24/06 at 9:37am
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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I re-viewed Stargate last night using the Panasonic and the film went went from unwatchable, comfortably (!), to not bad, for this unevenly shot film. The Samsung left sheets of noise in all scenes. Sometimes it was just overwhelming. It's now very watchable....
Stargate's one title I'll hold off on on Blu-Ray (until the inevitable 50 GB deluxe version). I prefer the Thetrical Cut of the film. Many complained the added scenes in the Director's Cut didn't look good on DVD (looked like video instead of film). So I wouldn't be surprised if those are the ones that still look bad.

Maybe we'll eventually get another new transfer (but I won't hold my breath). They got rid of most of the EE with the Ultimate Edition, but not quite all of it.

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10/24/06 at 12:18pm
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

I emailed Adcom and there reply mentioned that they where working on a reciever for the end of 07 that would have HDMI 1.3 and lossless decoding. To my knowledge there is nothing on there web site that mentions that, at least not yet.

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10/24/06 at 1:46pm
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Hey yo! Ray-ray.

See ya next year! When I blew out the candles, I wished for another birthday. Recuredos!

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10/24/06 at 1:58pm
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Stargate's one title I'll hold off on on Blu-Ray (until the inevitable 50 GB deluxe version). I prefer the Thetrical Cut of the film. Many complained the added scenes in the Director's Cut didn't look good on DVD (looked like video instead of film). So I wouldn't be surprised if those are the ones that still look bad.

Maybe we'll eventually get another new transfer (but I won't hold my breath). They got rid of most of the EE with the Ultimate Edition, but not quite all of it.

The movie is never gonna look remarkably better than this. It has so many weak shots. Well, maybe someday they'll digitally enhance some of it? Who knows? The well-shot parts look very good now. I like the theatrical cut too. It has the bloody sub's! There is one particularly clunky edit point in this knitted and weaved "Extended Cut" but the addd footage looks better here than on the DVD....once I inserted the disc into the Panny.

A 50 gig release can't help.....I don't see how.

Rachael, the big disc cat! I used to be looking for Hi-Vision Laserdiscs & D-Theater tapes, now I'm looking for HD-DVD's and Blu-rays.

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10/24/06 at 2:49pm
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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The movie is never gonna look remarkably better than this. It has so many weak shots. Well, maybe someday they'll digitally enhance some of it? Who knows? The well-shot parts look very good now. I like the theatrical cut too. It has the bloody sub's! There is one particularly clunky edit point in this knitted and weaved "Extended Cut" but the addd footage looks better here than on the DVD....once I inserted the disc into the Panny.

A 50 gig release can't help.....I don't see how.
Artisan released that film 3 times on DVD. I'm sure another release will come. The 50 GB will likely include both versions, like the 2-disc DVD and include all the special features, maybe more. I'm sure I could live with the quality of the presentation of the current disc (I really like the movie), but I need the theatrical cut. The Director's Cut spoils it by giving too much away in advance. The only thing I liked was the sandstorm scene (they're always cut), especially as it explained why Daniel seemingly had drool on his face.

I see the HD-DVD crowd is talking about the 2nd gen Toshiba not having any 5.1 analog outs (I take it the first gen only has 5.1, not 7.1 like the Panny Blu-Ray?). I hope removing the analogs doesn't become a trend like I feared it would from the start. I don't want to have my hand forced. Seeing as how neither format is the near-sure thing that DVD was when I was an early adopter. And with the shortages of these units, it seems like by the time you realize the next-gen won't have what you want, the last one could be hard to track down, much less at a bargain!

Calm..........calm................

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10/24/06 at 3:06pm
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

Correct, the Panny is the only hi-def player with 7.1 analogs.
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Correct, the Panny is the only hi-def player with 7.1 analogs.


Yep; even the ridiculously overpriced Pioneer only has 5.1 analogue outs; all why the Panny is the one for me - if it only did BD-Live, it would be completely flawless.

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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

I just bought the URC MX3000 Touch Screen remote.... With IR and RF it controls it just fine now... Only thing is with the fold down Display I have to be carefull with the RF Eye....

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10/24/06 at 4:46pm
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

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Correct, the Panny is the only hi-def player with 7.1 analogs.
I just hope they keep up the tradition.

I wonder if they'll keep having new flagship entries or they'll be like Sony and hold on to one flagship for years and years, keeping it a premium price all the while. At least with firmware upgrades, some improvement can be made.

The load time on this is around 20 seconds isn't it? The 2nd gen Toshiba is now down to a blazing 26 sec.!

It's hardly a major issue for me, but I thought it was funny people were getting excited about that. Slow menus and chapter changes are a much bigger deal to me. It probably takes me more than 20 seconds to get settled in to watch.

Remember when you used to pop in a WB disc, run to the kitchen, and come back only to see the movie had started without you?

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10/25/06 at 11:33am
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Re: Panasonic DMP-BD10

I've been thinking about only the Panasonic offering the 7.1 inputs, others only 5.1.

How are the advanced codecs handling 6.1 material? Is the surround back channel truly discrete and not "piggybacked" on the surround left and right channels? As 6.1 has been around for a while, you'd think the players would at least offer 6.1 outputs. Or is the SB channel going to continute to be encoded as it has been? Guessing the advanced codecs (be them lossless or otherwise) will have them truly discrete and the vanilla DD and DTS will be old-school encoding.

Obviously, if you get an SPCM 6.1 track, you need 6.1 or 7.1 outputs if you're not doing it over HDMI.

Funny how the new codecs are more backwards-compatible than a lot of the hardware. I guess the manufacturers want you to run out and buy one of their new receivers too.

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10/25/06 at 11:23pm
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.......talking about the 2nd gen Toshiba not having any 5.1 analog outs
Uh oh.

The receiver manufacturers better get their graphics people working on a logo so people will know if a particular receiver has DACs for HDMI's LPCM audio stream.
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