Audio setup for HD A1
Re: Audio setup for HD A1
In addition to your coax digital connection, I'd suggest also connecting the 5.1 analog outs from the HD A1 to your Denon 5.1 analog inputs, in order to listen to the Dolby TrueHD audio tracks (where available) that will be supported in the 2.0 firmware upgrade.Re: Audio setup for HD A1
Hi glenm - You'll want to output HDMI from your HD-A1 to your TV for video, and digital coax from the HD-A1 to your receiver for audio. Your setup is already ideal. Next step in increasing sound quality would be to upgrade your receiver or speakers. Also, as Bob noted, you would need to connect the 5.1 analog outputs if you wish to enjoy Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD in the future. Enjoy your new player!Re: Audio setup for HD A1
If I have both 5.1 analog setup and optical digital from HD-A1 to my Onkyo 595, does the 5.1 analog shut off the digital? I say this because after I upgraded to FW V2.0 (the official), I can't toggle between analog and digital. Only the 5.1 analog produces sound; nothing from the optical. I have SPDIF set to "bitstream" and 5.1 "on". I don't know if it was this way before 2.0 as I just hooked up the 5.1 for Dolby TrueHD.Ted
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my current firmware is 1.2 Im still waiting for the disc to arrive from toshiba. So what you mean is connect my coax and the same time connect the 5.1 analog.Re: Audio setup for HD A1
I'm curious in this subject as well guys. Right now Im running everything over HDMI, my display is a Panny PT60DL54 and my AVR is the Sony 7100ES. Are you guys saying in order to get Dolby True HD, I need to connect both the HDMI and the analog outputs of the A1 player. Advise please. Just confused a tad bit about these connections.So as of now Im running my A1 into the AVR, and from the AVR to my display. Do I also need to run analog cables from the A1 to the AVR as well.
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Originally Posted by SherardP
I'm curious in this subject as well guys. Right now Im running everything over HDMI, my display is a Panny PT60DL54 and my AVR is the Sony 7100ES. Are you guys saying in order to get Dolby True HD, I need to connect both the HDMI and the analog outputs of the A1 player. Advise please. Just confused a tad bit about these connections.
So as of now Im running my A1 into the AVR, and from the AVR to my display. Do I also need to run analog cables from the A1 to the AVR as well. |
Re: Audio setup for HD A1
Actually, Alon, according to what I've read on AVS Forum, those (few) people who have HDMI 1.2-compatible receivers/preamps ARE getting the TrueHD signal sent to their receivers (and can decode it, of course). It isn't dependent on the arrival of HDMI 1.3.But I'm just reporting what I read elsewhere. My HD A1 hasn't arrived yet, and I'll be an "analog-input" guy for a while.
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Originally Posted by Bob_L
Actually, Alon, according to what I've read on AVS Forum, those (few) people who have HDMI 1.2-compatible receivers/preamps ARE getting the TrueHD signal sent to their receivers (and can decode it, of course). It isn't dependent on the arrival of HDMI 1.3.
But I'm just reporting what I read elsewhere. My HD A1 hasn't arrived yet, and I'll be an "analog-input" guy for a while. |
A1. This update adds some new features (extended support for Dolby True HD® and some network connectivity features). It also addresses some problems Toshiba has identified with HDMI/DVI connectivity and disc playback.
Q2. What are the added Dolby True HD features?
A2. Support for Dolby True HD is extended from two channels to 5.1, which will be available in full resolution on the HDMI and analog 5.1 outputs and down-mixed to a DTS bit stream on the SPDIF output.
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| Hi Sherard - your receiver will not accept Dolby TrueHD over HDMI - for that you will need to wait for receivers with HDMI 1.3, which will be available next year. The interim solution is to connect 5.1 analog cabling, otherwise you will be listening to a downmixed DTS signal on the SPDIF output. |
With HDMI 1.1, you get the full TrueHD 5.1 audio.
Using HDMI gets you the best sound quality possible -- even higher quality than analog if your processor/receiver doesn't have analog bypass.
Here's what happens on a HD-DVD with TrueHD 5.1 when you have the latest firmware on your player:
- TrueHD 5.1 is decoded by the HD-DVD player's advanced signal processor into 5.1 LPCM at up to 14Mbps.
- The 5.1 LPCM digital stream is output directly over HDMI 1.1.
The 5.1 LPCM digital stream is run through 24/196 digital-to-analog converters (DACs) and output over 5.1 analog. - The 5.1 LPCM digital stream is run through a PCM->DTS downconverter (encoder) for output as lower-fidelity 1.5Mbps DTS over legacy optical / coax.
Your statement is only true for players without built-in TrueHD decoders. The Toshiba HD-DVD player includes an advanced signal processor that decodes TrueHD 5.1. Most Blu-ray players don't include these advanced signal processors as a cost-cutting measure, which is why some people keep referring to HDMI 1.3 -- because with Blu-ray, you need a player with HDMI 1.3 and a new receiver with HDMI 1.3 to do what HD-DVD can do today with HDMI 1.1.
TrueHD is a losslessly compressed signal. Think of TrueHD as a zip file. The LPCM is the sound data inside. The HD-DVD player decodes or "unzips" the TrueHD file and sends the contents through HDMI. Currently Blu-ray players lack the signal processor necessary to do this, so they must output the entire "zip file" through HDMI, and you can only do that with HDMI 1.3.
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Ken is right, Toshiba HD-A1 re-encodes the decoded TrueHD signal to lossless 24/96 PCM and outputs that via HDMI, so you do get the full resolution.Anyway, to the OP, your best bet is to use the 5.1 Analog Outs or HDMI output. If you use the analog outs and you are getting weak LFE compared to the digital outs, in the HD-A1 setup adjust all channels except the subwoofer to -10db. A little trick that works for some receivers.
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are there any recommendations for the best set/kind/type of analog cables to get for this application? MY HD-DVD player will be about 6 - 8 feet away from the receiver, a Denon 2803.Peter
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Wow thats awesome news, thanks Ken/Pete. I was getting confused and was thinking I should connect to the analog side of things for the best possible sound. I do notice when watching a hd dvd, my receiver reads LCPM followed by some other stuff. I have my settings in the A1 player set to Auto and Bitstream, should I change this or is this fine as is?Re: Audio setup for HD A1
| I have my settings in the A1 player set to Auto and Bitstream, should I change this or is this fine as is? |
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Okay...like so many I've taken the plunge. But my 30 day return guarantee is quickly coming to an end and I'm still on the fence and although I want to love my Toshiba with all my heart, I can't yet fully commit. I'm hooked up to an NEC LT240k projector (HD compatible) with a component/vga breakout cable and a Kenwood VR6070 receiver.The WB discs have had great images. The Universal ones don't seem as smooth and the Paramount discs have a lot of flare ups and don't have that "looking through glass" sensation that everyone talks about. This was most evident in Sleepy Hollow which I showed my friends to impress them and it left them with a "so what" feeling. The audio has also been pretty weak.
Looking through this site I've seen where I should set up my speakers to -10db with the exception of the subwoofer (0db) and a 120 crossover but that still didn't help. I thought the Apollo 13 launch should have given my subwoofer a great work out, but I got very little vibration even after the adjustments. When I ran through the test sequence I didn't get anything out of the sub. This weekend I was all excited to update to 2.0 thinking this would solve some of the problem but I feel it's only worse. I wound up changing the analog back to the optical because the receiver's DTS still sounded better.
I have Atlantic Technology bookshelf speakers and after hooking up the analog I've tried switching between small and large type speakers in the setup menu. This has caused the surrounds to stop emitting sound during the setup and when the center fires the sub does as well. Also, the great thing about the Kenwood is that it decodes DTS-ES (6.1 discrete), however the HD-A1 doesn't and now my rear surrounds (total 7.1 matrix) do not produce any sound.
The situation with the rears may have more to do with the receiver, but how do I get the test sequence to run properly? And should I set these speakers to small or large? On the receiver they're listed as normal (aka medium). I understand that TrueHD is only available on specific discs, but if nothing else shouldn't the DD+ and even DD soundtracks equal what I had before on standard discs?
I know this is long and I would appreciate any help from anyone who made it through my sometimes over explaining explanations. Thanks!
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I picked up my HD-A1 this past Friday and I have only watched 2 movies on it so far. My HD-DVD player is hooked up to my HDTV via component and hdmi and to my Yamaha RX-V995 via 5.1 analog and fiber. I have also noticed that the sound is lower when using the analog 5.1 inputs. However even though I am not using a dedicated subwoofer I still get good bass out of my Altec A-7's. However it still seems like there is less bass using the 5.1 inputs on the reciever.I guess its off to the HT and pick out a movie to watch, see ya
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I'm using the 5.1 analog ouputs on the HD-A1 but, when I push the "display" button to bring up the on screen disply, it says for auido output: digital bitstream. Is this normal? Does this mean I'm not really hearing the DD+ and TureHD tracks? I was expecting it to say something like "analog" or "5.1 analog."Re: Audio setup for HD A1
Hey Cris,I don't think there is anything wrong. As far as I know it will ether say digital bit stream or pcm. I dont think it will say what format you have selected or that you are using analog. Because it does not know what output you are using at the time. It is displaying the output that was selected in the setup menu.
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Re: Audio setup for HD A1
Connect the 5.1 Out on the Toshiba to the 5.1 In on the Denon with high quality RCA cables. If they have a directional arrow, make sure the arrow points to the receiver. On the front panel of the Denon, select External. The Denon display will now show something like 6.1 External In DVD. By doing it this way, yoy are using the newer electronics [decoder] on the Toshiba rather then on the Denon, which is older. Control the volume, etc., from the Denon. I have a similar setup and it is great! SteveRe: Audio setup for HD A1
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ANALOG 5.1 (6CH) Inputs! (I disconnected & quit using my SPDIF COAX Bitstream Input for ALL DVDs)
The REFERENCE Audio Calibration GOAL: - hasn't changed since the start of DD/DTS-5.1 Home Theater Setups (1997-98).
1) All-Speakers = 75 dBc
2) Subwoofer = 78 to 85 dBc (SPL LEVEL depends on your AV Rec/Amp, Subwoofer & room acoustics)
With my HT Setup in my 20' x 30' w/10'high vaulted ceiling HT/Family room, my REF Audio Calibration @ my 'sweet spot' using Dolby Labs DD-EX w/dedicated LFE Test Tones DVD (verified w/DVE @ 75 dBc & AVIA @ 85 dBc) ...
Yamaha Volume Control Display = -19.5 dB
(My REF LEVEL w/FAST LFE SPL Peaks = 115 dBc / RS Meter DIAL = 110 / Weight = C / Speed = FAST)
1) 75 dBc - All Around (JBL S26s x6)
2) 77 dB AVG (highest needle swing = 78 dB / lowest = 76 dB / SVS 25-31PCi)
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I will use my Yamaha RX-V1300 as an example and you just modify your procedure based on your AV Receiver options.
Logistics details: Yamaha RX-V1300 Options and Design:
1) I do not have any SPL Level Controls for the Front L&R Speakers
.... a) I just raise the Volume Knob until my Left CH = 75 dBc (w/Radio Shack SPL Meter: Dial = 70 / Weight = C = Speed = SLOW)
.... b) If there is any imbalanced SPLs between my Front L vs. Front R, I can use my Balance Control to equalize my SPLs.
.... c) Once all-channels are Calibrated, my ... REFERENCE Calibration Level = Volume Control Knob DISPLAY Number
2) My Yamaha 6CH INPUTS has memory for custom SPL equalization level controls vs. other INPUTS
.... a) So, it requires Audio REFERENCE Calibrating - Equalizing the Speakers SPLs to your designated "sweet spot"
3) My Yamaha has SPL Controls for:
.... a) Center
.... b) L&R Surround Speakers
.... c) Subwoofer
4) Yamaha Design: Fixed Crossover = 90 Hz
.... a) Do not mix Crossover's*, if you can turn-off the one on your Subwoofer, do that. If Not, dial it UP to it's highest setting.
.... b) Since my Yamaha has a fixed xover, I left the Toshiba HD-A1 Subwoofer Crossover = 120Hz
........ 1. Basically the HD-A1 highest xover setting - so it won't interfere with my Yamaha's fixed 90 Hz xover.
*NOTE: HT Mag. proved two crossovers (Sub & AV Rec/Amp) set close to each other created a -10 dB hole/dip around the xover-frequency. If one of the xover's were removed / turned-off, the lower frequency blend to the mid's were within a more desirable ±3 dB.
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NOTE: Keep in mind that Your process might vary considerably (HT Equip., subwoofer, room acoustics, etc.) vs. My following process.
Here's my ...
Toshiba HD-A1 ANALOG 5.1 (6CH) Audio REFERENCE Calibration Process:
(This assumes you've already connected the ANALOG 6 RCA cables to your AV Receiver/AMP)
1) I left the Yamaha 6CH SPKR SPL Level Controls = 0 (Default)
2) I used the Toshiba HD-A1 Internal 5.1 (6CH) Test Tones
.... a) The DD+ and TrueHD DAC's are built-in so I'll use their 5.1 (6CH) Test Tones
3) Press "SETUP" - Toshiba Remote
.... a) Slide down the bottom cover to access the small SETUP button
4) Scroll down to "MAINTENANCE"
5) Select "AUDIO"
6) Select "5.1"
7) Select SIZE, then change each SPEAKER = SMALL
8) Select DISTANCE and add those figures in feet
.... a) Measure from your "sweet spot" to each speaker
9) If you have a Subwoofer, Select SUBWOOFER = USE
.... a) If you don't have a Subwoofer, Select = Don't Use
10) Select "CROSSOVER SETTING" = 120 Hz
.... a) As noted above, I choose the highest crossover 120 Hz so it would not interfere with my Yamaha fixed 90 Hz xover.
11) Select "Next" Screen
----- RADIO SHACK SPL METER & TRIPOD -----
12) Install your Radio Shack SPL Meter on a Tripod
.... a) PLACE the Tripod/SPL Meter on your "sweet spot" (couch, chair, etc.)
.... b) POINT your SPL Meter towards your Center CH**
.... d) TILT / ANGLE UP your RS SPL Meter = approx. 50-degrees**
........ 1. Dolby Labs Mixer Manuals does not point the SPL Meter straight up but use approx. 50-degrees tilt angle
........ 2. The same 50-degree angle is use @ the Century/Cinema Theaters (SF Bay Area) when they Calibrate the Audio SPL
.... d) RAISE UP the SPL Meter microphone to = approx. your seated ear height
**NOTE: DO NOT MOVE THE SPL METER FROM THIS POSITION DURING THE ENTIRE SPL CALIBRATION PROCESS
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13) Pick the most efficient speaker, in my case, it was my Center Channel Speaker and so I lowered HD-A1 CENTER LEVEL = -12
.... a) JBL S26 (x6) Sensitivity (2.83V @ 1m) 87dB
.... b) JBL S-Center Sensitivity (2.83V @ 1m) 91dB
14) Select "Automatic Test Tones" (all SPL Speaker Level Adjustments performed using the HD-A1)
.... a) Adjust each Speaker = 75 dBc (RS SPL Meter Dial = 70 / Weight = C / Speed = SLOW)
........ 1. I select the CENTER SPL Test Tones & turn-up my Yamaha Volume Control until my CENTER CH = 75 dBc
........ 2. Then I select each SPKR Test Tones and adjust them as required = 75 dBc
........ 2. Leave the Subwoofer Level = 0 (doesn't go any higher)
15) After you're done, check the Subwoofer SPL - which should be 5 dB to 10 dBc higher vs. speakers 75 dBc SPL
.... a) If it is, ... play one of your DD+ or TrueHD DVDs - YOU'RE DONE!!!

.... b) If you want a little more support, use your AV Receiver / AMP Subwoofer Level Control
16) If the Subwoofer SPL is not 5 dB to 10 dB higher, since you cannot add to the SPL Level using the HD-A1, pick one of the following options:
.... a) Manually adjust your Subwoofer Volume Control UP***
or
.... b) Add Subwoofer volume from your AV Receiver / AMP Subwoofer Level Controls***
***NOTE: Like your previous SD DVD Player REF Level Calibration session, "What you hear or feel - will be your FINAL Subwoofer SPL adjustment." In most cases, it will not be more than +10 dBc above your Speakers SPL Calibration.
17) Exit the HD-A1 SETUP menu when you are done. Time to play!

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My FINAL Toshiba HD-A1 REFERENCE Audio Calibration Results:
YAMAHA 6CH VOL CNTRL DISPLAY: -36.5
1) SPEAKERS SPL = 75 dB
2) SUBWOOFER* = 82 to 83 dB SPL ( (Dial = 80dB - lowest to highest needle swing)
TOSHIBA HD-A1 5.1 Speaker Settings:
Front Left:...... -5
Center:.......... -12
Front Right:.... -5
L Surround:.... -4
R Surround:.... -4
*Subwoofer:...... 0 (No adjustments required from my Yamaha)
- Afterwards, I ran my Digital Video Essentials DVD 5.1 Test Tones and verified my REFERENCE Audio Calibration SPLs.
After I dialed-up my Yamaha Volume Control = 75 dBc, all settings were IDENTICAL, except the L&R Surrounds, which I matched after I changed my Yamaha L&R Surround Levels = +1 (left the HD-A1 5.1 Speaker Settings alone - see above).
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Looks like the Toshiba HD-A1 INTERNAL 5.1 Test Tones are Pretty ACCURATE afterall - at least with my HD-A1 Unit!!!
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The proof of any REF Calibrations is to verify the results by playing one of my HD DVDs - right?

After I load up one of my HD DVDs, .... I dial up to my usual -10 dBc below REF Level SPLs, ... which contains approx 105-106 dBc Fast LFE SPL Peaks, which is just loud enough to move the floor, couch, walls, chairs and pant-leg(s)
... but still be audible enough to hear the whispering dialog during the quiet moments during the blockbuster HD DVD movie.With HD DVD's, my Volume Control Display ranges between -19.5 dB to -22.5 dB / depending on the HD DVD.
Volume Control Display DD+ (Dolby Digital Plus) Example:
1) Sahara = ....................approx. -21.5 dB
2) Ray = .........................approx. -19.5 dB
3) Serenity = ...................approx. -22.5 dB
4) Bourne Supremacy = ...approx. -21.0 dB
Volume Control Display TrueHD:
5) "The Phantom of the Opera" = approx. -9.5 dB.
Everything sounded crystal clear, especially the dialog tracks, w/balance 20Hz to 20kHz frequency resolution, very dynamic pant-leg-moving impacts when the LFE called for it, exceptional 360-degree seamless distinct pin-point surround effects pans all-around - just like the Mixing ENG. designed it, ... IT WAS JUST PLAIN GLORIOUS!!!

The higher Volume required to reach my -10 dB below REF LEVEL standard for the TrueHD track in "The Phantom of the OPera" was no problem. Any well-designed AV Receiver/Amp with >75 dB S/N Ratio, ... will not hear any 'HISSSSSsssss' during the quiet /silent moments of any HD DVD Movie.
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Re: Audio setup for HD A1
Thanks for all of the info, Phil!Maybe I'm missing it in your very thorough post, but should I set the HD A1's output to bitstream or PCM?
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Originally Posted by Larry Sutliff
Thanks for all of the info, Phil!
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Your welcome Larry.
| Maybe I'm missing it in your very thorough post, but should I set the HD A1's output to bitstream or PCM? |
Other HD-A1 Audio Settings, that worked for my setup:
AUDIO:
Digital out SPDIF = PCM
Digital out HDMI = AUTO
Dynamic Range Control = OFF
Dialog Enhancement = OFF
Speaker Setting = 5.1
-- Speaker Size: SMALL
-- Distance: Set via tape measure from my 'sweet spot' to my speakers
Phil
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How do you access the test tone on the HD-A1?1080p High Definition SupporterLossless Audio Supporter Current Library: 221 DVD's / 70 HD-DVD's / 181 Blu-ray's (251 HD Titles)
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Re: Audio setup for HD A1
Press "setup". It's underneath the slide down cover on the remote control.Select "audio".
Select "speaker setup"
Select "5.1 speakers".
A screen will come up that allows you to set speaker size and distance. After setting up your parameters on this screen select "next".
The next screen will allow you to adjust dB levels for each channel. The test tone button is also on this screen.
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Hey Edwin,Thanks
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