Leave it to beaver season 3?

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Bob,

I'm also an optimist about this one. Something tells me that we'll see this series completed somehow, maybe from an independent (Shout!, etc).

Joe, those are good points about a 20-something's view on a 40-50 yr-old series but it's interesting, to me, that some 'Boomers (like me) have a big interest in these shows, even some of the shows that I've never seen. A couple of examples of ones for me are "The Fugitive" and "The Untouchables". There are others that I haven't started viewing yet that Bob has recommended that I'm certain I'll like those shows as well.

To me, these shows are "timeless" even though I didn't see them during their original airings.

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The problem isn't with Universal -- it's with people today who don't appreciate the quality of a show like this. For most people, saying something is now 50 years old makes them want to stay far away from it -- especially younger people.

When I was 20, something which was 50 years old came from 1920. All I could think of 1920 at that time was, "Very ancient history. Not interested." That's what a 20-year-old thinks of 1957 today. Beaver and Wally are as quaint to them as Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn.


That may be how 20 year olds think today but it certainly wasn't how I ever thought. I loved all of the great Universal horror movies from the 30s and the fact that they were decades old never entered my mind. So what. They were good was all I cared about. Another point overlooked is that 30 years ago, what entertainment that was 50 years old did we have access to? The music, movies and radio programs were virtually inaccessible. And one last point, aren't there enough people of the 100 million baby boomers that we don't need every release supported by 20 year olds to make it successful?
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Yes, Thaeller, those are good points, too. Even I passed on the LITB sets because I was used to getting season sets of shows from that era at lower prices.
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While you are waiting for the 3rd and remaining seasons....

Apparently an All-Star Family Feud compilation featuring celebrity casts gets released soon. Includes the cast of "Leave it to Beaver". News about this is posted in the All-Star Family Feud thread on this board and at:

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Fam...ails-Date/8209
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So its been how long since Season 2 was released? The 50th anniversary of the first broadcast has come and gone and still no s3?
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So its been how long since Season 2 was released?

May 2, 2006.

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Anyone looking for a good deal on the first 2 seasons of Leave it to Beaver can get either season for under $20 at Deep Discount and Amazon. The Deep Discount deal is even better since they are currently running their semi-annual 20% off sale.

http://search.deepdiscount.com/searc...r&af=cat1_dvds

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm..._rd_i=12917411
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Has anyone tried any of these on (deleted by moderator)?? I am thinking about buying them. I already have 1 and 2... but the total series is available for $25-$45..





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Has anyone tried any of these on (EDIT)?? I am thinking about buying them. I already have 1 and 2... but the total series is available for $25-$45..
It's a bootleg. Buyer beware.
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Just a word of warning. Folks, don't buy bootlegs. They are almost always dubbed in some obscure language only Carl Sagan would be able to translate for you. And he's dead now. So just don't go bootleg.


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Yeah, we don't want to give any credence to bootleggers. It's a crying shame that Universal has utterly abandoned this great classic so early into it's run (and it only gets better as it progresses upward toward the final season 6).

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It's a crying shame that Universal has utterly abandoned this great classic so early into it's run (and it only gets better as it progresses upward toward the final season 6).
I have no love for studios moving towards downloads but the plus of that is that they should be able to make Leave It To Beaver (and other shows) available since there won't be all the production costs involved with a physical product.
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Yeah, we don't want to give any credence to bootleggers. It's a crying shame that Universal has utterly abandoned this great classic so early into it's run (and it only gets better as it progresses upward toward the final season 6).

Gary,

I was stunned when it became obvious Universal decided to chuck the remainder of this classic show. I still don't get. Especially since the first two releases were bare bones. So why not just continue???

But I really do think that, by far, we already have the best two seasons. If I can quote myself from over at Amazon:

"Truly, there are two LITBs, and I'm a huge fan of what I see as the first "incarnation" of "Leave It To Beaver". Aside from one obvious answer -- namely, Jerry Mathers growing up into a rather awkward adolescence --, I've always wondered what were the reasons for the DRAMATIC shift in tone, look, and -- IMHO -- quality of the show. And it can be absolutely marked as to when this happens: when the Cleavers move into the second house. In "First House" incarnation, everything is different. Ward is a handsome, even dashing figure: a relaxed, happy man with a good life. Adored by his boys. And June -- what a looker! With a style clearly based on the mid-50s Grace Kelly look, and the sweet thing is that she carries it off beautifully. She's witty, graceful, and very much in love -- and in lust -- with her husband. That's one of the first major things that goes out the window when the Cleavers move into that new airplane hanger of a house -- the sexy, fun, adoring relationship between June and Ward. (At its best, worthy of comparison to the screwball comedy couples of the 1930s.) Why in the world did they get rid of this? Why did they change Ward from a stylish, man-about-town into a cranky, always worried, humorless stiff? And of course what they did to June was worse. Everything she wore in the first house was beautiful, especially her hairstyle. After that, she became this dull, washed-out mannequin. With the worse hair possible from that time. And the boys. . . Yesterday, TV Land showed one of the sweetest shows in the history of 50s television: "The Bank Account". Here were two boys who were in love with life, always thinking about what was the right thing to do(and often failing). Caring more about others then themselves. "The Bank Account" is a perfect example of this. But then the family moves -- and the boys become different. Often nasty, selfish, looking at their parents as these old fogies who don't understand anything about fun and life(and considering what they turned June and Ward into, I guess the boys were on to something). Wally becomes this obnoxious Big Man on Campus. Beaver becomes this Big Man On Campus wannabe. And their friends!! Couldn't the boys have at least one friend who wasn't a butthead? Eddie, Lumpy, Larry, Whitey, Richard, Gilbert. Holy-moly! What happened to the cool Chester? Or the adorable Chuey? Or the incredibly cute Benji? Who were the producers of the show trying to appeal to, once the show became a hit? I really would like to know the answer to that, because once they decided to base the show on a "kids are more fun and smarter than their parents" theme, the show really went downhill. Just take a look at the show. The first two years, the show glistens with an almost Fassbinderian white glow. Just look at the way the characters are photographed in that first house! Gorgeous. Then they move -- and everything seems as if it had been shot in someone's garage. The same is true of the music. There's that lovely, sad melody they use in the first two years -- then after they move, it's never used again. So as a big fan of what this show was in its first incarnation, I've always wanted to know what caused the very big change in tone and quality. Answer: LITB changed networks. They went from CBS to ABC, and the Shark swallowed LITB whole."
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Hey, Bob! Welcome to the HTF!

Finally! Someone who agrees with me that the first few seasons of LitB were the best! I think I can agree with every word of your summation.

Especially when it comes to the charms of Barbara Billingsley!

There's Jessie the yodeling cowgirl. Bullseye, he's Woody's horse. Pete the old prospector. And, Woody, the man himself. Of course, it's time for Woody's RoundUp. He's the very best! He's the rootinest, tootinest cowboy in the wild, wild west!

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I have no love for studios moving towards downloads but the plus of that is that they should be able to make Leave It To Beaver (and other shows) available since there won't be all the production costs involved with a physical product.

The HUGE problem with downloads is that they will be formatted for IPOD sized screens so they will look like complete crap on your TV.

Even if they are at 720 x 480 pixels, they will probably have a low bitrate to save on filesize and still look horrible. I realize downloads are probably the future, but we had better stick together and demand pristine quality or the studios will be happy to give us stuff that only looks good on a 4-inch screen.

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Even if they are at 720 x 480 pixels, they will probably have a low bitrate to save on filesize and still look horrible. I realize downloads are probably the future, but we had better stick together and demand pristine quality or the studios will be happy to give us stuff that only looks good on a 4-inch screen.
Yeah, I was talking about quality downloads. It's going to take years to get to the point where it replaces physical media but once they do, I think/hope the studios will be much more willing to open their vaults.
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Bob, I do agree that we have two distinct "Leave it to Beaver" shows. One takes place during the first two seasons and the other takes place for the remainder of the show. But I don't share your dislike for seasons 3-6 at all. In fact, if I could have chosen to do so, I would have released this series backwards from Season 6 to Season 1. And it's the only show I can think of where I'd want such a thing.

To me the show never went to "a 'kids are more fun and smarter than their parents' theme", as you put it. When do they ever outsmart Ward? Never. When do they ever stop learning from his sage wisdom? Never. And frankly, I thought the duo of Eddie and Lumpy in the last couple of seasons made for some of the funniest moments in the entire run. And to top it off, the later seasons saw increased screen time for one of my all time crushes - Cheryl Holdridge. So I personally wouldn't trade those last couple of seasons for anything and I'm highly disappointed that we aren't getting more. The best is yet to come in my opinion.

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I agree with you Gary. Besides which seasons are best is irrelevant. They have started it and it should be finished. You don't release Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Road and say you don't need the rest because they released the best ones. It just doesn't work that way.
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Well, here's yet another one that Gary and I agree on I've always liked the later seasons of LITB better, not sure why exactly. I just want the entire series released.

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I'm kind of torn between the earlier and later episodes.

I wholeheartedly agree that Ward and June were a lot more fun in those early episodes with snappier lines. They also seemed to make more mistakes in the earlier years, which in turn, made them more human. I also think the Beaver-oriented episodes were superior in the early years with more interesting story lines. In the later episodes, it was always Beaver's friends talking him into doing something he knew he shouldn't, then promising to back him up and not doing so, with Beaver the one getting into trouble. I felt they milked that formula a little too much.

On the other hand, Eddie Haskell is one of the all-time great television characters, and the Wally/Eddie/Lumpy episodes in those later years were outstanding. Even the Beaver/Eddie scenes were a lot of fun. I credit the producers for knowing they had a good thing going and they seemed to write more story lines for Wally in those last two years. Sure, Chester was a stand-up guy but you already had Wally as the straight man, so you needed the "buttheads" to make the situations more interesting. But not just any "butthead"; Gilbert was just as smarmy as Eddie if not more so, but somehow he just wasn't as much fun.

But one thing we can all agree on here is that it would great to see the entire series on DVD.

George
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I fundamentally agree with Mitchum22. I do think the first two seasons were the best. My compulsion to contribute to Internet forums is forcing me to add a few comments, though:

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when the Cleavers move into the second house.

I agree the series changed; ironically, though, I love the layout of their second house. I always thought if I could build myself a new house, I'd base it on that layout: with the breakfast nook, and the laundry room off the kitchen, and my private den off the front hallway, etc. That's my dream house you're talking about there!

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In "First House" incarnation, everything is different. Ward is a handsome, even dashing figure: a relaxed, happy man with a good life.

I have to take exception to "relaxed." If anything, he seemed more tightly wound in the first two seasons; but that's good -- he seemed more real.

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And their friends!! Couldn't the boys have at least one friend who wasn't a butthead? Eddie, Lumpy, Larry, Whitey, Richard, Gilbert. Holy-moly!

I couldn't agree with you more, and this is something I've wondered about for years now. LITB teaches the lesson that friends are out to get you; they'll screw you up every time. Every single one of them is the type of guy who'd push his grandmother down the stairs if he thought there were a couple of laughs in it. And you left out Judy Hensler and that Judy wannabe Penny!

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The same is true of the music. There's that lovely, sad melody they use in the first two years -- then after they move, it's never used again.

Again, I couldn't agree with you more -- and I wrote about that theme on the LITB message board over at TV Land many years ago. The first two seasons had those touching moments; they completely disappeared from the "Second House" era.

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So as a big fan of what this show was in its first incarnation, I've always wanted to know what caused the very big change in tone and quality. Answer: LITB changed networks. They went from CBS to ABC, and the Shark swallowed LITB whole.

This isn't exactly correct. Only the first season was on CBS. The second season was ABC. Also, this show never was a big hit. It never even cracked the Top 25. CBS was the Number One network in those days, so they cancelled it after one season. ABC, which was a very lowly third, picked it up and it did well enough (for them, at least) to keep it going five years there. It was when they moved it from Saturday to Thursday that the ratings fell low enough that even they couldn't maintain it any more. (Of course, with Beaver turning into a very awkward adolescent -- he was no Wally! -- the show's days were numbered, anyway.)

Even though I prefer the first two (or three) seasons (I think losing Larry was a setback, too), I still think the last half of the series is decent enough. All the episodes featuring Eddie Haskell are definitely worthwhile. But, I agree: It just wasn't the same show.
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Well, I hate to sound this way, but I paid good money for the first two seasons. I love the show and really want to buy the rest, so, if my only choice is bootleg or nothing at all, guess which one I will pick? It's not my fault I have no choice!!!
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Well, I hate to sound this way, but I paid good money for the first two seasons. I love the show and really want to buy the rest, so, if my only choice is bootleg or nothing at all, guess which one I will pick? It's not my fault I have no choice!!!


If you cared about it that much, how come you never recorded them in the last 30 years since we've had VCR's? Or from the dozens of times TV Land ran through them, although they're cut to 22 minutes? Why would you bother with what are probably 3rd generation shitty quality dubs, most likely to LP or SLP discs?
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Good question Hank. Now, as for me, I had my fill of bootlegs years ago and won't buy them. I definitely wish I'd recorded LitB when it was airing. Same for Gomer Pyle and about 50 other shows. It just hasn't always been easy to get that done due to the cost of VHS tapes. I did a few. Unfortunately I recorded all the wrong shows. Star Trek TOS, Hercules, Xena...all of which are available in complete form really cheaply. But that's just a couple of reasons why one person (me) doesn't have LitB. I seriously thought TV Land would run LitB forever, much like TBS used to. That's why I missed a lot of shows.

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I HAD all episodes of LitB recorded...until recently.

When I was younger--and had much more time--I recorded the entire run of Leave it to Beaver off Channel 5 in NYC into Beta! This was in the mid-1980s.

Now I still have a Beta player (it's even hooked into my HT)...but the storage issues and the quality of the broadcasts being what they were, I actually threw them all out when season 1 finally hit store shelves.

I don't really regret it...since I doubt I would have been watching them anyway. The only reason I still have a Beta player is that I have a bunch of home movies of my daughter when she was young that I saved to Beta and still need to dub onto DVD.

But as time continues to slip by and it becomes more and more doubtful that we will see future seasons on Beaver, I do wonder if I did the right thing.

If they did start to air again, in episodic order, I'd be all over recording them again.

This show is THAT important to me.

There's Jessie the yodeling cowgirl. Bullseye, he's Woody's horse. Pete the old prospector. And, Woody, the man himself. Of course, it's time for Woody's RoundUp. He's the very best! He's the rootinest, tootinest cowboy in the wild, wild west!

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If they did start to air again, in episodic order, I'd be all over recording them again.

This show is THAT important to me.

If a channel started airing the full run, in order, and without major bugs/ads/commercials on the bottom of the screen I'd definitely record them too. It's that important a show to me as well. And while I'd love to see the full length episodes instead of the chopped up ones, I'd still tape them even with the commercials (which I'd edit out with my dvd recorder). But the way shows are broadcast today, with all the horrible moving station bugs and ads, taping this show off a station like TVLand is completely unacceptable to me. And of course they always interrupt the closing theme songs too, and that's very frustrating to me as well.

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Gary: I completely agree. But even with all you mention (plus the fact I don't have the time now that I seemed to have back then), I'd STILL go ahead and record them again...just to have them and watch them (the edits would, admittedly, be hard to swallow) and enjoy them. Especially since I see no immediate hope of viewing them any other way.

There's Jessie the yodeling cowgirl. Bullseye, he's Woody's horse. Pete the old prospector. And, Woody, the man himself. Of course, it's time for Woody's RoundUp. He's the very best! He's the rootinest, tootinest cowboy in the wild, wild west!

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Gary: I completely agree. But even with all you mention (plus the fact I don't have the time now that I seemed to have back then), I'd STILL go ahead and record them again...just to have them and watch them (the edits would, admittedly, be hard to swallow) and enjoy them. Especially since I see no immediate hope of viewing them any other way.

Yea, the edits wouldn't be fun but I could accept that the show had been whittled down a few minutes. What I just can't accept are these new station bugs that morph into loud monsters and blare out the next show coming up, or the movie coming on later that night. And all of this is while action is taking place during the episode! People are talking and I've seen times when I couldn't even make out something they said because of these monstrosities on the bottom of the screen. That's just too much to overlook, even though I love the show dearly. And then they always go to the half screen nonsense and cut off the ending credits and theme music. That's utterly unacceptable to me.

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Yup. Again, I agree 100%. Those stupid graphics ought to be banned in perpetuity.

Whoever thinks that distracting in-show graphics are a good idea has, obviously, never been involved in the production of a show. Talk about an off-putting , illogical idea.

But, I'd still tape the shows...even if those things were in place...due to lack of options.

There's Jessie the yodeling cowgirl. Bullseye, he's Woody's horse. Pete the old prospector. And, Woody, the man himself. Of course, it's time for Woody's RoundUp. He's the very best! He's the rootinest, tootinest cowboy in the wild, wild west!

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If a channel started airing the full run, in order, and without major bugs/ads/commercials on the bottom of the screen I'd definitely record them too. It's that important a show to me as well. And while I'd love to see the full length episodes instead of the chopped up ones, I'd still tape them even with the commercials (which I'd edit out with my dvd recorder). But the way shows are broadcast today, with all the horrible moving station bugs and ads, taping this show off a station like TVLand is completely unacceptable to me. And of course they always interrupt the closing theme songs too, and that's very frustrating to me as well.

Gary "taping shows back in the 80's also didn't give you the picture quality you get today - so even on that level it's not the same as official dvd releases" O.


Oh I agree. That's why I don't really do much off-air recording any more, except for the Encore channels, which are pretty much bug free. I am glad that I did record tens of thousands of tapes in the 80s and 90s when you could still get shows without bugs, squeezed credits, etc. and if you hustled a bit you could trade with people in smaller markets where they did not cut shows for time. The problem these days is you don't really know what to transfer to DVD because every week it seems like a series gets announced that you never thought would make it. So far, here's how I've done in the guessing game:
Man from UNCLE - I had transferred them a few years ago
Route 66 - Held off, too good a show not to come out
Batman - Transferred. Too many issues
12 O'Clock High - Transferred. Fox sucks
Room 222 - See above
Kolchak - Transferred. Long before the boom hit.
Rifleman - Had 98% of run from 16mm prints so I did them before MCI.
Honey West - Ran them. Who knew Fox would license?
Mr. Ed - I've gone ahead with the remainder of the series.


It really is impossible to always guess right. Patty Duke Show I've held off on. I still believe at some point they will get to it. I've done all of the Warner Brothers shows as I have no faith in them to come out all, even Maverick. Same with doctor shows like Ben Casey and Dr. Kildare. And to be honest, there are a great many shows in my collection that I've spent tons of time and money to acquire that I really hope don't come out. The cost of 1 16mm print might be more than a DVD set of a full season. So there are shows I hope do stay in the vaults. I know that sounds bad but imagine if you bought a car (or a boat, or whatever) for a certain price because it was a one of a kind, or very rare item. Then a few years later they mass produced them and cut the price by 95%. You wouldn't be too happy. That's kind of how I feel about some of the shows in my collection.
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