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Has the Video Business article been revised? I don't see this in there:

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This means that Episodes IV-V1 will bow in their original film composition, not in the more cinematic anamorphic widescreen transfer."


I hope Lucasfilm PR is not trying to muddy the waters here.
If that's been removed, it's because someone at Video Business realized that it makes no sense not because of LFL's PR.
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Originally Posted by Robert Harris
To Torsten Kaiser...

Precisely what I thought regarding Ms. Ault. She's been given information to report.

The problem is that there is now a piece in Video Business, a sister publication of Variety, which seems to state that the OT are being sent to DVD as a special gift to "fans." The "fans" however, are unhappy with being given a quality anamorphic product, precisely the way the films were photographed.

They now want something else. LucasFilm has already fully restored these films.

The bottom line is that LucasFilm is handling this correctly, by offering an anamorphic version of the film.

I'm now confused at to what precisely the article is about, and what it is that the "fans" want from LucasFilm.

End of story.

RAH

Robert, Ron and I would like to remind you all that many Bothans died to bring you this information...

Bill Hunt, Editor
The Digital Bits
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billhunt@thedigitalbits.com

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Thanks to Ms. Ault for correcting the piece.

RAH

"All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. This I did."  T.E. Lawrence

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8O)

Much respect to the brave bothans who gave all to get this information to our hands. Now that
we know the weaknesses of this battle station, we must prepare an assault...
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First an on-topic post:

What's the best looking non-anamorphic transfer? The Abyss? Is there a chance SW could look better?

Now for quoteyness:

That's impossible even for a computer...
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It's beginning to look like Lucasfilm sees the Star Wars films as already having a state-of-the-art transfer in the form of the '04 SEs...and--owing to that--the theatrical versions are not worthy of more attention; to make further investment in them would be redundant. Maybe because they share 99 percent of the same footage?

By that logic, the prospect of a completely new transfer of the theatrical versions looks quite grim.

I'm not only leaning toward snapping up these "fun" Limited Editions, but I'm beginning to feel fortunate that we're even being offered that much.

I looked at the VHS wide editions made from these same '93 laser transfers last night and they actually look pretty good. At a minimum, the upcoming dvds are barely enough of "sure thing" means of getting a digital copy of the theatrical versions that I probably can't afford to pass 'em up in the face of the apparent disregard they're met with from Lucasfilm...that could signal an intent NEVER to remarket them. Fear is a powerful motivator...
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Jack,
I remember all too well the ad slogan for the 1995 re-issue of the OT on vhs/laser- THE ORIGINALS-ONE LAST TIME.

NOW-9/12/06

It wasn't the last time was it?
If LF says NEVER, take it with a grain of salt.
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Good god, I wish I had 35mm projector and pint of Star Wars episode 4, I wonder what that would cost second hand?
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The LF publicity department has begun sending out the following response to the hundreds of irate emails they’ve been receiving on the Star Wars issue:


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I wanted you to know how much we appreciate the passion and enthusiasm you have for Star Wars, and thank you for sharing your concerns about our upcoming DVD release.

The DVDs being released in September will contain two versions of Star Wars: Episodes IV, V and VI – the Special Editions (which represent George’s vision of the movies) and the first versions, which will be included as bonus material. We hoped that releasing those “original” movies on a bonus disc would be a way to have some additional fun with the debut of the movies as individual DVDs. We certainly did not want it to become a source of concern or frustration for any of our fans.

As you may know, an enormous amount of effort was put into digitally restoring the negatives for the Special Editions. In one scene alone, nearly 1 million pieces of dirt had to be removed, and the Special Editions were created through a frame-by-frame digital restoration. The negatives of the movies were permanently altered for the creation of the Special Editions, and existing prints of the first versions are in poor condition.

So many fans have requested the original movies, we wanted to find a way to bring them to you. But since these movies do not represent George's artistic vision, we could not put the extraordinary time and resources into this project as we did with the Special Editions. The 1993 Laserdisc masters represented the best source for providing the original versions as DVD bonus material. Although these are non-anamorphic versions, they do preserve the original widescreen composition of the movies.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans – now or in the future – to restore the earlier versions.

We hope you will understand our decision and, again, want to let you know how much we appreciate your interest and enthusiasm.

Sincerely,
Lynne Hale
publicity@lucasfilm.com


Game ... Set ... Match ... *Sigh*

Joseph
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OK, we have people like Robert Harris and Ron Epstein telling us that it will not take "extraordinary time and resources" to put out an anamorphic release of these movies. It seems to me like Lucasfilm is just ignoring facts right now.
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I’m telling you guys straight I will not touch these DVD’s with a ten foot barge pole if they release them in Dolby 2.0. Six-Track Dolby Stereo is what I’m waiting to hear and feel!
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EricKA:

I remember, but it's the not knowing that gets me... And since I pretty much have to have these cuts in some form, it really puts me in a bind. Marketing genius, I'll tell you. Absolute marketing genius... You can't help but get suckered again.
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We want you to be aware that we have no plans – now or in the future – to restore the earlier versions.

We hope you will understand our decision and, again, want to let you know how much we appreciate your interest and enthusiasm.

Sincerely,
Lynne Hale
publicity@lucasfilm.com

Sorry Lucasfilm but all interest and enthusiasm for all things Star Wars is slipping away from me right now.
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Jack,
I understand completely. I've bought every version since the $100 VHS in 1982. LF has contradicted itself so many times over the years. It really would not surprise me if they have every intention (although hidden)to restore the OT at some point. At least they know a lot of people want it and thanks to Robert Harris and Bill Hunt, the word is out that it is possible.
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Originally Posted by Joseph Bolus
The LF publicity department has begun sending out the following response to the hundreds of irate emails they’ve been receiving on the Star Wars issue:




Game ... Set ... Match ... *Sigh*

Game over, indeed. We gave it a shot, though. I still am surprised that Lucasfilm didn't at least try to convert the LD masters to "fake" 16:9, though. We might have ended up with something like Columbia's transfers of Once Upon a Time in China, though. Lots of halo problems and EE.
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I was very polite in my first e-mail to Lucasfilm, but after reading this I'm really going to blast them the second time around. This is complete bulls**t and they need to know that actions like this are only going to erode their fanbase rather than enhance it. "Would be a way to have some additional fun with the debut of the movies as individual DVDs"..........GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Lynne Hale
We certainly did not want it to become a source of concern or frustration for any of our fans.
Then do something about it.

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Originally Posted by Lynne Hale
So many fans have requested the original movies, we wanted to find a way to bring them to you. But since these movies do not represent George's artistic vision, we could not put the extraordinary time and resources into this project as we did with the Special Editions.
Why not? Are you unable or just unwilling?

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Originally Posted by Lynne Hale
The 1993 Laserdisc masters represented the best source for providing the original versions as DVD bonus material. Although these are non-anamorphic versions, they do preserve the original widescreen composition of the movies.
Nobody is debating that. Maybe you should read this to better understand our concerns.

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Originally Posted by Lynne Hale
We want you to be aware that we have no plans – now or in the future – to restore the earlier versions.
I want you to be aware that I have no plans - now or in the future - to purchase any further Lucasfilm products.

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As Brandon points out, they aren't telling the truth when they say it would take extraordinary time and
money to do a high quality transfer. First off, this idea that the original restored prints were themselves
altered to make the SE doesn't many any sense. First you restore the movies, then you decide how
best to make the SE changes. That means there must be an original restored print in existence, which
is what they then applied the SE alterations to.

But lets assume for the sake of discussion for a moment that this is true. There are other prints
in existence in archives and private hands that would be perfectly suited to the kind of restoration work
that Mr. Harris is fully capable of handling. And the work would neither take a long time, nor cost a
lot of money. And it would look great when he's done. So Lucasfilm, and they are reading this
very thread, so they know this is all true, is deliberately not telling the truth when they put
out statements like this.

And Lucasfilm will actually make a lot more money this way with a high quality transfer. I repeat, they
will make more money with a really great looking transfer than they will when they lose so many
sales to a poor transfer. Money is not an issue here, nor are the availability of prints.
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All this talk of "fun" reminds me of Eddie Murphy's Raw.

"But your press release emphasizes the unaltered versions!"

"Baby, that's just jokes!"
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Tom nailed the response, but I'd like to add

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we could not put the extraordinary time and resources into this project as we did with the Special Editions.

The extraordinary time and resources is a crock. You guys rushed Lowry for the 2004 editions, and no one's even asking for THAT level of dedication here, really. We just want new transfers. It can be done, and we know it can, we know the film elements DO EXIST, and that this transfer CAN be finished.

If you simply JUST DON'T WANT TO then say so, but don't hide behind some set of false mitigating circumstances designed to shift blame from this shoddy business decision. It costs money to make money, you've got 12 billion in merchandise sales over the past 30 years, you can cough up the relatively low price for someone along the lines of Robert Harris to go in and, using the film elements that ARE more than likely available, give the Star Wars movies some semblance of justice

Dont' say you can't. Because that rings utterly, hollowly false.

If you're going to spend all that marketing money making these original versions the crown jewel of your campaign to get these discs out the door, you can spend a little bit more to polish that jewel instead of trying to shove a Crackerjack ring in a black velvet jewelry box and telling me how much fun I'm having for getting it. Because the focus of your marketing isn't "You can buy them separately for the first time ever." it's "BUY THE ORIGINALS FINALLY." So something seems a little incongruous that you're willing to spend on the advertising but not the picture itself.

It's well within your means and well within street date. If you simply DON'T WANT to do it, just say so.
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I think someone might have mentioned this before but...
If they don't want to spend the effort and money on releasing quality versions why don't they licence the rights to a company like Criterion? I'm sure they'd jump at the chance if it's as easy as getting ahold of some collector prints.
I know they won't because that would just prove that it can be done without great expense and effort. And we all know that Lucas just doesn't want good versions of these to exist. That much is now crystal clear to me.
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Originally Posted by Dave - A
And we all know that Lucas just doesn't want good versions of these to exist. That much is now crystal clear to me.


BINGO!!! That's exactly what I said in the e-mail I just fired off to them and it's basically the bottom line behind all of this. We all know the resoration could easily be done without extensive time and expense, Lucas just doesn't want to do it. He hates the films in their theatrical form and does not want to do anything whatsoever to enhance them. My point is: why the hell even bother releasing them at all? Oh yeah, because he can make millions of dollars selling them all over again to the people who don't know any better about what's really going on. It's ridiculous and for the first time in almost 30 years I am a completely disgruntled Star Wars fan!

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I'm beginning to think Lucasfilm simply wants to put out a product that's just good enough to put the bootleggers out of business -- but nothing more than that. An "official" bootleg, if you will.

I'm not holding my breath for a HD version down the road.

Mark
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Ah, nuts. Just got my form reply, as well.

I'd rant and rage, but who am I kidding? I'm sitting out this release, but Lord knows I'll be there like Pavlov's stupid dog when the films come out in HD. And so will you, and you, and even you.

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Before I leave this thread, possibly for good (it's really a dead issue and too frustrating) I just have one last response...

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Originally Posted by Lynne Hale
As you may know, an enormous amount of effort was put into digitally restoring the negatives for the Special Editions.

All that time, effort, and money and somehow the "restored" version of Star Wars still has a messed up music mix.

Goodbye thread.

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I don't understand how the negatives were "permanently altered" to make the special editions. Wouldn't they have just been scanned in and the changes made digitally?

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Well, they're in for a big surprise then. This will do nothing to stop that, if anything it will make it more so.
There are dedicated fans all over the place who have been putting countless hours into their own restoration
efforts, and I hear from credible sources that the results are astonishingly good. Well beyond what will
be released in September. All they've done is raise the bar, it will be exceeded and then we'll be back right
where we are now. Except fans will now have a very intense inclination to have nothing more to do
with Lucasfilm because of this treatment. This will end up costing them a lot of money, there's no doubt
about that. They are being penny wise and multi-million pound foolish.
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Well, I guess that's that. I may pick up these suckers used, but I am not giving George Lucas another cent. Thanks for trying, everyone.
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If LFL thinks this will put bootleggers and fan restoration projects out of business they clearly have no clue! Maybe if they did the job right that would've been the end result, but it certainly won't be now!

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Star Wars fans are a lot like Janet Jackson fans in that they hang in there regardless of the situation turning shitty.

After Ms. Jackson's ex-husband stopped co-authoring her songs and co-producing with Jam and Lewis her stuff turned to dog shit.

Tina Landon stop choreographing and her dancing became less exciting.

My point is that Star Wars fans are basically hanging on to something dead like the best years of Janet's career.
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