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IMO, they hadn't hit rock bottom yet with the Predator, I love
Predator 2 and they could have easily have made a third film if it weren't for the passing of Kevin Peter Hall who was signed on for two more I believe at the time of his death.
AVP has grown on me with each viewing and would like a second one.
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| There's some serious "overhate" for the original. |
I disagree, it should have been easy to satisfy most of the "AvP" fanbase but the film still managed to outrage people that weren't expecting much. Nobody expected anything but a mindless action movie out of "AvP" but that's what we got, but the problem is simple: it's not a good mindless action movie. Everyone wanted the first film to be good, it just wasn't. "AvP" has the box-office record for the highest opening weekend for a film that didn't ever reach the $100,000,000 mark. That really sums up the way the film was recieved: the concept itself is enough to get a lot of people into a theater but everyone seemed to jump ship when the actual quality of the film was revealed. Like most others, "AvP" was probably the single most disappointing moviegoing experience of my life but I'll still remain optimistic about any future "AvP" movies. I just hope that they learn from the huge mistakes made on the first film.
Anyways, I hope they see a future "AvP" movie as an opportunity to right the previous film's wrongs. They alienated the fanbase, robbed both franchises of all credibility and exhausted the "I gotta see that" factor. When this movie is released, they're gonna have to deal with the die-hard fans that felt betrayed by the first one and the casual moviegoer with the "been there, done that" attitude towards another on-screen pairing. The only way "AvP2" won't definitively kill both franchises is if it's... SHOCK... actually GOOD! That's what they need to be worrying about, hiring a great writer (which already doesn't seem likely, since they already have a script which seemed to come out of nowhere) and a visionary director.
and also, THEY NEED TO GET STAN WINSTON STUDIOS TO DO THE CREATURE EFFECTS! ADI is capable of doing the Aliens but they really botched the Predators.
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It was a damn sight better than Alien3 "theatrical" and Alien Ressurection.
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Not only would I disagree with you, the IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes rankings also disagree with you. In the eyes of the vast majority of the fanbase, Paul WS Anderson managed to make a movie significantly worse than "Alien3", "Alien Resurrection" and "Predator 2". I not only think that "Alien vs. Predator" is much more of a tedious viewing experience, it is completely artless, which certainly can't be said about the films Fincher and Jeunet made, and Stephen Hopkins isn't the most artistic director ever but he's actually a competant technical director, unlike PWSA.
Here are their scores. The percentages are from the Tomatometer, the other number is from IMDB:
Alien: 100%,93%(DC)/8.4
Aliens: 100%/8.3
Predator: 79%/7.4
Predator 2: 25%/5.5
Alien3: 33%/6.2
Alien Resurrection: 52%/6.0
Alien vs. Predator: 22%/5.4
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I wouldn't say that. That first Alien and Predator fight was pretty cool.
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and I wouldn't say THAT.
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Oh, and Mr. Weyland playing the knife trick with his pen was awesome!!
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Really? I thought it was insulting, it was a pathetic attempt at pandering to the fanbase's sense of familiarity. Anyone could add stuff like that into the movie, it's not clever in the least.
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| I have several comic books of AVP (I bought years ago) several of them have a female being a champion in the end of the comic. |
I'm not sexist, I don't object to the fact that a female earned the respect of the Preds, I object to how the character was completely unremarkable and undeserving of said respect. What did she do? She held up a spear as an Alien attacked her. People object to the Predator/Lex pairing for one reason: as a writer, Paul WS Anderson failed to make it believable.
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| She held up a spear as an Alien attacked her. |
Which is still pretty impressive to a Yautja, apparently. A Human killed an attacking Alien at close range, that's nothing to sneeze at.
Besides, if she had earned only part of the Yautja's respect at that point, she earned it more by killing one of her friends who had been hosted by a Facehugger and was going to die painfully, Yautja's get off on honor and she showed honor there.
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| Which is still pretty impressive to a Yautja, apparently. A Human killed an attacking Alien at close range, that's nothing to sneeze at. |
They must be a pretty stupid race, then, because she was cowering in fear and just held up the spear as a last-ditch attempt at self-defense.
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She put him out of his misery out of pity, and I don't think pity is necessarily honorable.
No matter how you look at it, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel for reasons why she would be deemed honorable or respectable by the Preds.
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I don't see it that way, Bill, it started when she gave the Yautja's weapon back, then they were attacked and she, in fact, killed and Alien, doesn't matter how, she killed one. Also don't forget, these were young Yautja's on their first hunt, they weren't diciplined and her action happened to impresse that particular Yautja.
An elder Yautja with more hunting experience might have just shrugged it off and killed her anyway. And it took strength for her to shoot her freind and the Yautja saw and appreciated that.
This is a glass is half full and half empty type of thing we have here, you see the minuses and I see the pluses.
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I thought there was a great redeeming feature of this film that ameliorates some of the "overhate."
And that is that most of the humans die off very quickly, which eliminated dialog for basically the rest of the film. In my opinion, this was an excellent choice for this film.
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I have a question about that "Uncut" version of AVP that was released on DVD recently. What did the new cut add? Did it push it back to an R Rating? Did it make the film any better (ala Daredevil)?
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It added footage that was wisely deleted in the first place, and the added gore was literally just that, it was the same footage from the PG-13 theatrical cut with CGI blood added on top, and it was really poorly done. The "Daredevil" director's cut essentially restores an earlier version of the film that was later compromised by studio interference. The unrated "AvP" is an obvious attempt to "fix" the movie after the fact.
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Aaron and Kain, I couldn't disagree more with either of your posts.
IMO, they are classic examples of following popular opinion.
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