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All In The Family DVD: Some Advice

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12/20/08 at 12:30am
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Re: All In The Family DVD: Some Advice

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But in syndicated edits? That's no consolation.
It's not my preferred version either. But until the (recent) appearance of TV seasons on DVD, we lived with that. I guess I just don't get the premise that these companies have a moral obligation to make this stuff available to us in our preferred format. Sony recently cut 16,000 jobs because of economic difficulties. 16,000! And they say there may be more cuts! There are serious financial strains here. I think they have a greater obligation to those 16,000 people than to the few of us who turn up our noses at syndicated cuts of thirty year old sitcoms.
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12/20/08 at 10:51am
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Re: All In The Family DVD: Some Advice

Why do they have a moral obligation towards the continued employment of people who were not doing their jobs correctly?

Hopefully the idiots at the home video division responsible for the many, many blunders in DVD releases over the past few years were among those laid off. You know who I mean. The people responsible for pan and scan abominations, edited TV show episodes, one-and-done fiascos, and "special" editions with no freakin' features.

If you can't move product with proven popularity over nearly four decades you need to be not only fired but forbidden from holding employment in this country.

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Re: All In The Family DVD: Some Advice

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Why do they have a moral obligation towards the continued employment of people who were not doing their jobs correctly?
How do you know that they were fired for poor performance?
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12/20/08 at 7:10pm
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Re: All In The Family DVD: Some Advice

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Why do they have a moral obligation towards the continued employment of people who were not doing their jobs correctly?
Oh Matthew, I think you know that these were cuts because of Sony's financial strains across the board. They did not pick 16,000 people across all divisions of this gigantic corporation and fire them because they outraged a few (very few) fanatics who compared DVD episodes to their archived VHS copies so they could track cuts.
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12/21/08 at 5:17am
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Re: All In The Family DVD: Some Advice

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. But until the (recent) appearance of TV seasons on DVD, we lived with that.

That's a ridiculous excuse... we also once lived without television, DVDs, or home video at all! So what is that supposed to mean? We once didn't even have a place called Home Theater Forum!

And why should I be "satisfied" dealing with chopped up syndicated broadcasts of great award winning shows of the past like ALL IN THE FAMILY, when brand new DVDs of current mediocre TV shows are still airing fresh every day, yet THEY'RE getting DVD season releases? Yeah, yeah, I know.. it's about the money. But some of those currently running series you can tune into on broadcast TV! They're not even off the air yet!

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I guess I just don't get the premise that these companies have a moral obligation to make this stuff available to us in our preferred format. Sony recently cut 16,000 jobs because of economic difficulties. 16,000! And they say there may be more cuts! There are serious financial strains here. I think they have a greater obligation to those 16,000 people than to the few of us who turn up our noses at syndicated cuts of thirty year old sitcoms.

And if I were one of those Sony people I'd sympathize with their plight... But I'm not, and as just a customer I have every right to air my disappointments. Besides, it's annoying as hell to put 6 seasons out and then not finish the job, or at least to issue the 2 more that most (not saying all) fans seem to desire most.
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12/21/08 at 1:14pm
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Re: All In The Family DVD: Some Advice

You guys need to take the U.S. Economy discussion to another topic. If I read the topic title correctly, this is All in the Family DVD discussion, not Economics 101.

As always people are making broad assumptions about something they know nothing about. All in the Family isn't exactly a priority release for Sony. They havenh't announced that the series would not be continued and so, stop making ridiculous assumptions about something you know nothing about.

All in the Family Season 7 will be released when it's released. Get over it. I'm patient and I can wait. If not, I have six wonderful seasons to enjoy. I Dream of Jeannie has been completed. Bewitched has one more season left to be released. Barney Miller is getting there, with two seasons already released and possibly more on the way.
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12/21/08 at 2:26pm
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Sony's new motto should be "six and hit-the-bricks."

With all the effort put into these releases, I'm surprised that season 2 got released. No extras, no promotion and video quality that none other than Ron Epstein called the worst he had ever seen. All the other 1970s and 1980s videotaped series released on DVD looked better than this, including the other Norman Lear shows.

If you go back a few years to research some of their release decisions you will see why Sony gets little to no love on this board. And I'm with Joe: I don't think we should be happy with crumbs off the table.

If these aren't making money, there could be a number of factors why. The death of retail outlets like Tower Records certainly cannot have helped. The studio isn't exactly forthcoming with info.

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12/21/08 at 2:36pm
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Re: All In The Family DVD: Some Advice

Joe (and everyone), as always happens in threads like these is that posts pile up and we (at least I) wind up responding to a general sense of the thread and eventually, the debate becomes pretty mushy. As this one has.

My point -- really my only point -- is this: Sony will issue more seasons of "All in the Family" when they believe it makes financial sense for them to do so. As far as I know, nobody here is actually privy to their internal discussions. There are any number of possible reasons for the long wait between seasons. These include (but are not limited to) public indifference, retailer disinterest, some peculiar legal or clearance snag, or even technical difficulties with the existing elements. (My bet is on the first two, but I claim no actual knowledge.)

But there is a prevailing attitude seen here -- I'm not pointing fingers at anybody, but it's quite evident -- that Sony (the sentient corporation!) has some counterintuitive agenda where they actively don't want to release a moneymaker. Or that there's a personal grudge. Or that they're just complete idiots.

And there's another notion that crops up, that somehow Sony has a moral obligation to preserve this show on DVD format, especially when lesser shows are, regardless of the cost to them.

I'm sorry, I just don't see it.

And I don't see how you can possibly leave the economy out of any discussion about why a non-essential item might not sell well.

All that said, should Sony choose to release the next season of "All in the Family," I will buy it the week it's released. Who's with me?
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12/21/08 at 2:44pm
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Re: All In The Family DVD: Some Advice

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All in the Family Season 7 will be released when it's released. Get over it. I'm patient and I can wait.

Great for you, Mark. Me? No. it's not going to be the end of the world either, but I'm still impatient. Get over it.

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I Dream of Jeannie has been completed. Bewitched has one more season left to be released. Barney Miller is getting there, with two seasons already released and possibly more on the way.

*sigh* Now if only I cared about those shows...
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12/21/08 at 2:49pm
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Sony will issue more seasons of "All in the Family" when they believe it makes financial sense for them to do so. As far as I know, nobody here is actually privy to their internal discussions.

True, but that includes you. And none of us knows if it has anything to do with "financial sense", though I do admit it's a logical guess. However, we still don't know.

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There are any number of possible reasons for the long wait between seasons. These include (but are not limited to) public indifference, retailer disinterest, some peculiar legal or clearance snag, or even technical difficulties with the existing elements. (My bet is on the first two, but I claim no actual knowledge.)

Oops. Okay, I take back the above...

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And I don't see how you can possibly leave the economy out of any discussion about why a non-essential item might not sell well.

Well, that's mostly a lot of over-hype, IMO. This whole "we're almost in another Great Depression" thing.

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All that said, should Sony choose to release the next season of "All in the Family," I will buy it the week it's released. Who's with me?

If I'm still alive by then, I'm with you!
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12/21/08 at 8:27pm
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Re: All In The Family DVD: Some Advice

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With all the effort put into these releases, I'm surprised that season 2 got released. No extras, no promotion and video quality that none other than Ron Epstein called the worst he had ever seen. All the other 1970s and 1980s videotaped series released on DVD looked better than this, including the other Norman Lear shows.

Actually, the first season of Soap looked far worse than any season of AITF (so far). Just atrocious.
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