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That's it, I'm walking. gas up 33 cents since Monday,

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8/13/05 at 3:27pm
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''so how much is it where you live and how much has it changed this week?

Monday 2.169
Tuesday 2.259
Today 2.499

those are regualr unleaded prices

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8/13/05 at 4:03pm
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No need to walk, just get a good bike, a helmet and a rack and panniers and you're good to go.

I've been commuting since 2001 and I couldn't care less how much gas goes up. Seriously... When you need milk at the grocery store, just bike there, you'll be amazed how easy and fun it actually is, when you need to go to the bank, just get on the bike and go...

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8/13/05 at 4:04pm
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Spare a thought for our Southern Hemisphere friends: I hear it's $1.49 per litre in NZ this week. 4.54 litres to the gallon, that makes it $6.76 per gallon. Wow.
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8/13/05 at 4:08pm
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There are only 3.78L per gallon.

We're paying $2.49 at Racetrack now

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8/13/05 at 4:40pm
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Friday $2.39
Saturday $2.65

Vulcan800 gas mileage: 45-50/gallon.

I'm safe for now.

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8/13/05 at 4:42pm
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I filled up and the value of my car doubled.

Thank you. I'm here all week.

Seriously though, gas prices be sucking big time.
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8/13/05 at 4:50pm
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2.59 in Madison, Wisconsin. And the worst part? I'm moving to Pennsylvania on Tuesday. Great. I pick the year that we have record-high gas prices to rent a u-haul and move.
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8/13/05 at 5:15pm
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Kyle - UK conversion 4.54 litres to gallon, US conversion 3.78 litres to gallon. Whatever conversion you use, kiwis are paying through the nose for fuel. Or is it that americans are spoiled by subsidies and don't realise just how lucky they are?
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8/13/05 at 5:17pm
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Today I filled up the car at $2.76 per gallon (in Burbank, CA). I've seen it over $2.80 per gallon at some places.
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8/13/05 at 7:10pm
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Or is it that americans are spoiled by subsidies and don't realise just how lucky they are?


It's not that it's subsidized in the States, but that gas is so heavily taxed elsewhere (universal health care and all that).

There's an 18.4 cent federal tax per gallon and then the state tax, which is 23.5 cents per gallon in Mass (or 18 in New Hampshire). So about 40 cents per gallon in taxes for both federal and local in the US. The UK on the other hand charges about 80 cents per LITER with France and Germany only slightly behind. You're basically paying 3.00 a gallon before even paying for the product in Europe.
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8/13/05 at 7:15pm
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Man, if the prices here in Sweden were as low as yours. Over here the fuel costs $6 per gallon, now that's expensive!

Some of the difference in price can be explained with our higher octane fuel (our regular unleaded is 95 octane and our premium is 98 octane), but mostly it's because of the extreme taxes.

70% of the price for fuel is taxes, some taxes are even added on top of others (ie we are getting taxed on our taxes).

For reference: fuel price + energy tax + carbon monoxide tax = fuel price excluding VAT, a VAT of 25% is then added on top of this.
That means that over half of the VAT is pure "tax on tax" and has nothing whatsoever to do with the fuel price.
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8/13/05 at 7:21pm
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Magnus, check out this link

http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/tdm17.htm

Scroll down to Table 1 and check out the price per gallon in Venezuela if you really want to see cheap gas.
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8/13/05 at 7:54pm
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I'm glad now I haven't quit my job as many times as I've thought about it. I work from home, so it's like getting a raise a couple of times a week.

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8/13/05 at 8:57pm
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What I don't understand is this: The gas station gets a delivery of 80,000 gallons of gas on Monday, and the price on the sign is, say, $2.25 (the bastards). On Wednesday, same gas, the price goes up to $2.45. No new delivery, same gas, already paid for (I'm assuming), and the price goes up? Wait a second... How did that happen? Who's profiting here?

I have this sneaking suspicion that the price at the pump really is not as dependent on the "price of a barrel of oil" as news reports might like us to think.

When can we start drilling for oil ourselves? When can we start having reasonably priced, truly "hybrid" cars? WHEN WHEN WHEN?

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8/13/05 at 10:21pm
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Claudia P- I do know how bad the prices are over there. I was in Northern Ireland in the spring and if my math was right it came to over $6.00 a gallon and it was over $5.00 in the Republic of Ireland. It's all the taxes that get you. Our prices aren't subsidized, I wish they were. The price in this area broke the $2.50 mark on thursday and by friday it was $2.59. I hate paying it, but I realize how lucky we are compared to other countries.

It's too bad we don't have the public transport systems like in the UK and Ireland. On my several visits, I never found anywhere that I just had to have a car to get to. I always took the bus or in London the tube. Over here, it takes me about 12 minutes to drive to work on the expressway. To take a bus, I have to go into the center of the city, transfer to another line for a total of about an hour and a half, then walk about half a mile. Since I get out of work at Midnight, the buses have stopped running. If I could find a way other than driving I'd do it in a minute.
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8/14/05 at 12:07am
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I understand the Chinese are the ones driving the market. With their economy & industry booming the demand for fuel has increased exponentially; where once they had sufficient reserves they are now buying up arab oil. Anyone got any thoughts on this?
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8/14/05 at 12:18am
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One item to factor in is the driving habits of Americans vs. Euros. I'm betting the average American drives 3x as much as the average European. My college was 30 miles away, my last job in DC was 35 miles away and the nearest metro station is a PITA to get to when you factor in traffic and parking fees. And these are places I had to go to everyday. I remember the hellish days on I-95 when it took me two hours to get home.
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8/14/05 at 5:02am
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Gas to 94.5 cents a litre in Edmonton Alberta
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8/14/05 at 5:39am
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I understand the Chinese are the ones driving the market


That's a part of it, but it's used as a MAJOR reason; most of the recent price increase of both crude and distillate is pure greed and speculation.

Any more comments would be political, but IMHO if this increase continues, a certain party's pachyderm is cooked.

The oil companies have got us by the short hairs; what else can you burn in your car?

The local newspaper had a poll: Are you price shopping for gasoline? I laughed; what difference does 2 cents a gallon make?
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8/14/05 at 5:39am
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I just paid $2.60 per gallon for 87 octane at the
local Super Wawa (a chain of stores in this area that
usually have the cheapest gas around). I like to put
the mid-grade in my car, but now I'm going to the cheaper
stuff. IIRC, the price of 87 octane at the beginning of
the month was about $2.33, so gas has gone up about $.27
per gallon in just 2 weeks time. I still say that supply
and world barrell prices aren't the biggest factor in
what we pay- demand is the biggest factor. We drive alot
more during the summer, so we get raped at the gas pumps.
Can anyone here say "gouge"?

Pretty please, with sugar on top,
clean the f**king car.

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8/14/05 at 6:05am
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$10 says gas prices hit $2.99 a gallon by Labor Day, in which case that'll get me about 3.34 gallons of gas.
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8/14/05 at 6:43am
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Yesterday, gas reached $1.04/litre (CAD) in Ontario. With a couple of quick conversions, that's $3.28/gallon (USD). I wish our prices were still around what you guys are paying.
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8/14/05 at 7:17am
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The variation in price just within the U.S. is insane. According the MSN.com right now the cheapest gas is $1.77 in Eastover, SC and the most expensive is $3.23 in Pacific Palisades, CA.
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8/14/05 at 7:27am
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I would LOVE to pay $1.77.


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8/14/05 at 7:54am
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I like to put
the mid-grade in my car, but now I'm going to the cheaper
stuff.

Unless you have an unusual car with a high compression, you really don't need any more than the low-octane stuff anyway.

"Did you know that more people are murdered at 92 degrees Fahrenheit than any other temperature? I read an article once. Lower temperatures, people are easy-going, over 92 and it's too hot to move, but just 92, people get irritable."

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8/14/05 at 9:57am
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Yeah, Garrett, I know I probably don't need the middle
grade anyway (I have a Joe Schmoe domestic car), but it
makes me think I'm putting a better product into my car
(at least when the middle of the road stuff is affordable).

Pretty please, with sugar on top,
clean the f**king car.

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8/14/05 at 10:46am
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Filled up last night with 93 at 2.87 ouch

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8/14/05 at 10:48am
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Tell me about it, $44 today to fill up a 96 nissan maxima. And I just filled up less than a week ago.
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8/14/05 at 12:00pm
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Vulcan800 gas mileage: 45-50/gallon.


What is this?

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Some of the difference in price can be explained with our higher octane fuel

I wish this higher octane fuel was available here. Is there a different process to produce the higher octane, are there additives or what?

Anyone use something called E85 fuel? I hestitate to call it gasoline. It's a mixture of 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline and is mainly available in the upper midwest. It's a lot cheaper than gasoline, about 50 cents/gallon in these parts. Some vehicles can run on it but not all, so make certain yours can. Since the energy content of ethanol is much lower than gasoline, I assume fuel mileage will go down quite a bit.

Too bad turbines can't be make practical and economical for autos - they can run on practically any fuel.

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When can we start having reasonably priced, truly "hybrid" cars? WHEN WHEN WHEN?

The current ones are a joke so far as I'm concerned, and aren't signifigantly more efficient, overall, than normal cars, I understand. My estimation of when reasonably hybrid cars will be available is not in our lifetimes. Hope I'm wrong.
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8/14/05 at 12:46pm
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Since the energy content of ethanol is much lower than gasoline, I assume fuel mileage will go down quite a bit.

From what I've read, your assumption is correct. E85 fuel mileage is significantly less than that of gasoline.

Here's a quote from an article on E85 at MSN:

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If anything, engines run better on E85 because of its higher octane (typically about 100). But E85 does contain less energy, so mileage will suffer 10% to 30%.
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