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9/21/05 at 5:39am
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Whoa. I've never seen Bettany's evil smile until now, and I like it.


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9/21/05 at 5:55am
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Hope they at least consider Crispin Glover.

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9/21/05 at 6:01am
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Bettany does indeed look great, and we know he can act. Lou, I think Glover has a good look, but I think his personal quirkiness would unbalance the set. I'd rather have someone like Bettany or Brody.

Patrick, good call, but about a decade too late

Still, curves like that are tough to find.

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9/21/05 at 7:24am
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A big bustline for Catwoman would look ridiculous in a Nolan-directed Batman film, plus Michelle Pfeiffer made it work without a massive bustline, and what cat-burgular would want a large chest to obstruct their passage in tight spaces and corridors/chutes. Form follows function.

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9/21/05 at 8:33am
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Patrick, good call, but about a decade too late


Yeah, Connelly doesn't have that bust anymore, and anyways, she doesn't seem to be the right type for the role.

I do like the choice of Bettany. That smile does invoke the right images.

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9/21/05 at 9:31am
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Hope they at least consider Crispin Glover.


Isn't he too much of a loose canon? I'm pretty sure there are good reasons why he hasn't made a big budget movie for a long time.

I like the idea of Paul Bettany playing the Joker though. Christopher Nolan needs to work with more Englishmen.

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9/21/05 at 9:52am
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I like Paul, he's a great actor, he always outshines Russell Crowe when they work together. He was great as the figment of imagination in A Beautiful Mind.
I think he'd bring a subtle yet maniacal preformance to the Joker.
As for Catwoman, she's nearly the same age as Bruce, Jennifer Connelly wouldn't be too bad, she's four years old than Christian Bale, but she sort of looks younger. She's not that big in the chest area, I mean she's Katie Holmes size maybe a little bit bigger. She's a good actress as well. I'm not really sure if they should bring Catwoman in on this movie anyway. I think the idea that Batman's rogue's gallery hasn't really start yet, he's still just fighting mostly crime bosses and such. Totally no Robin...

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Crispin would be pretty inspired casting. I like the idea of Brodey, I don't see him camping up the part. Bettany might be okay, but his hammy acting in Knight's Tale worries me.
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9/21/05 at 9:53am
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how about bonner stabone from growing pains.
he was in that fan batman movie

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9/21/05 at 11:28am
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Isn't he too much of a loose canon? I'm pretty sure there are good reasons why he hasn't made a big budget movie for a long time.
He was in both Charlie's Angels movies, but he obviously just had a supporting role.


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9/21/05 at 12:53pm
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What sources have claimed that anyone has tested for the part of the Joker yet? According to Batman Begins producer Charles Roven they haven't even decided on a villian for the next film yet. He said that the ending was just an hommage to Jack's turn as the Joker. He also said that Nolan wants to do another film before he tackles another Batman film.

It sounds pretty early for screen tests if they aren't even in pre-production or if they don't even know who the villian will be.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/ba...ws.php?id=3422
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9/21/05 at 1:01pm
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All the casting news is coming from http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html who claims that casting choices has indeed started for the Joker.
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9/21/05 at 1:08pm
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Fair enough, but that sounds fairly sketchy to me. I'll take the word of the producer of the film over the word of 'a dude in the buisness' who got it from a friend of a friend.
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9/21/05 at 1:09pm
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He said that the ending was just an hommage to Jack's turn as the Joker.
Then Roven was fibbing for his "film-focused" audience. The ending of Begins was an homage to how Batman: Year One (Batman #404-407) ends...with Gordon giving a Joker playing card to Batman. That was written in 1986, long before Jack Nicholson was cast as the villain.

It has already been reported that Nolan will do another film before shooting Batman Agains. But casting and script, etc are still in full swing for the Batman sequel.

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9/21/05 at 1:35pm
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Hope they at least consider Crispin Glover.
It's extremely rare for me to actively dislike an actor to the point of avoiding their films (I can't think of anyone actually) but I want nothing to do with this freak after reading that asinine, hateful rant on Spielberg - The man was pretty much blamed for the decline of western civilization .

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9/21/05 at 1:56pm
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I've always liked Bettany in his supporting roles so when his name first came up as a possible choice fro the Joker I thought he might be a good choice. That pic that Paul posted of him grinning totally sold it for me.

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9/21/05 at 5:09pm
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He said that the ending was just an hommage to Jack's turn as the Joker.


After watching Batman Begins with my cousin, he interpreted the ending this way...thinking that it was just cleverly tying into Tim Burton's "Batman", and that there need not be anymore Batman sequels. Of course, I explained to him that there would have to be sequels in order to make more money if "Batman Begins" is profitable.

When I also told him that this movie was meant to be completely unconnected to the Batman movies and that rumours were circulating about The Joker being in the sequel, he was disappointed. I told him that the filmmakers wanted us to "forget" about the old Batman films when watching these new ones and accept a new actor as The Joker, as if he had not been portrayed before. In response, my cousin explained that he simply CAN'T forget Nicholson, and believes that if there is a sequel, The Joker should NOT be re-cast.

I had never heard this perspective before, because every opinion I have read about a potential new Joker has been from Batman fans excited at the prospect. But after thinking about it, I believe that my cousin has a good point. Jack Nicholson's Joker was a memorable and iconic character, and maybe it would be best to leave "Batman" as being the only movie with a cinematic interpretation of The Joker. Now I just wonder if the filmmakers will take up my cousin's line of thinking on this, or "cave in" to the apparent fan demand for a new Joker. Does anyone else think it would be better to have another villian and just let the ending of "Batman Begins" be a wink to Batman's comic book history?

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9/21/05 at 5:32pm
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i think the 'definitive' Joker on film has yet to be seen.
i wasn't impressed with Jack (although the part wasn't very well written, either).
he looked great to be sure, but i could easily see another actor coming along and taking peoples breath away- if the substance is there on the page.

but to answer your question, the end scene in BB does work as a wink, and it would work as a set-up.

i kind of wish they would do multiple sequels at the same time, as waiting 6 years to see a resolution to some of these things (and hoping that nothing happens to the cast and crew in the interm) can be frustrating.
if they can film 20 hours of a high gloss tv show, seems tome they could get most of the 4 hours of 2 features in the can with a little more substantial pre production planning.
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I've had similar experiences Ocean Phoenix. Some non-Batman fans have commented that there could be no way to top Jack Nicholson as the Joker. As much as Batman fans didn't think he stopped being Jack, it IS quite a memorable performance and one not easily forgotten. I bet most casual moviegoers think of his performance when they think of the Batman franchise as a whole.
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9/21/05 at 8:00pm
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Well, there are some of us who think that Mark Hamel gave a pretty definitive performance as the Joker in the animated series. To be honest, Jack's performance hasn't aged all that well.

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maybe it would be best to leave "Batman" as being the only movie with a cinematic interpretation of The Joker.

Too late. There is that 1966 version with Cesar Romero.
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9/22/05 at 4:41am
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I liked Nicholson's performance, but that kind of campiness wouldn't suit the grimmer type of film that BB was (and hopefully that its sequel will be). By the time a sequel is made, it will have been nearly 20 years since Nicholson played the Joker. It's okay to have someone new, and I look forward to that.


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9/22/05 at 5:36am
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I think that Joker is popular because Nicholson is popular. Clearly the films exist in separate universes. In the 1989 film, his parents are killed by Jack Napier. In the current film, they are killed by a no-name street crook named Joe Chill (which is much more suitable, I might add). I think movie fans are perfectly adaptable to a new Joker, especially in the tone of the Begins.

And there is no way they won't use the Joker. Not a chance. They went with new villains for this film to distance from the previous 4. But now that it has it's own identity...

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9/22/05 at 5:44am
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Ive never seen anything hes done, but by looks, Id prefer Lachey Hulme over Bettany (Ive only seen him in A Beautiful Mind).

One thing about Joker, I dont see mentioned alot - Is hes really not supposed to be funny, except to himself. This is one of my problems with Nicholsons version - too camp and over the top.

We need someone whos a bit more dangerous and a little less of a ham.
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So the question that hasn't been brought up...What are they going to call it:
"Batman Begins...Again"
"Batman Begins 2: Cruise Control"
"2 Batman 2 Begins"
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9/22/05 at 9:58am
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So the question that hasn't been brought up...What are they going to call it:
"Batman Begins...Again"
"Batman Begins 2: Cruise Control"
"2 Batman 2 Begins"


Batman Continues...
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Batman Baggins - the tale of an orphaned Hobbit who decides to cloak himself with a mystical cape and cowl to ward off evil-doers who would do anything to possess the BataRing.

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9/22/05 at 10:18am
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How about simply, "Batman: Year One"?

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I think it should be called "Batman Strikes Again"; it has that pulp noir feel to it.
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The name should depend on what happens in the movie. In Batman Begins, we saw the beginnings of Batman.

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