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Originally Posted by Edwin-S
Not applicable. Comparing whether Godfather is better made than Pee-wee's Big Adventure is a straw man. The two films are in vastly different genres and designed to meet different objectives.
The two films being discussed are within the same genre and have the same main character. The argument of whether one is better than the other is specific. My contention was that if the viewer liked Batman and Robin better than Batman Begins then it stands to reason that the first one better met his criteria for an enjoyable Batman film: therefore, for him, it was a better made film than Batman Begins. |
| Also cutting random images with repetitious dialogue and cutting them together does not constitute a valid criticism of the film, since it takes those images out of context with the rest of the film. The clip is funny but essentially meaningless. |
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Originally Posted by Brent M
I never thought I'd find anyone else on HTF who felt the same way about this movie as I do. Even though it was destroyed by nearly all the critics, I absolutely LOVED it. I know it's mindless, crude, and very non-PC(which is always a good thing in my book), but I appreciated the fact that Michael Bay just said "f**k it, let's blow up as much s**t as we possibly can for two hours". I wish they'd all get back on board for Bad Boys III.
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Originally Posted by Edwin-S
I sure wouldn't call someone a moron because his or her opinion of a movie doesn't coincide with mine.
I don't think that Batman and Robin is a better movie than Batman Begins, but if someone thinks otherwise then so what. All it means, is that their criteria for a good Batman flick differs from mine. |
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Originally Posted by Shaun
Even when attempting to view both movies subjectively and respecting the fact that both are different adaptations of the same character, I can't think of one way that Batman and Robin is a better film than Batman Begins.
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| I can't think of one way that Batman and Robin is a better film than Batman Begins. |
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Originally Posted by Steve Christou
I like Batman Begins, I like the different direction it took but my favorite Batman film remains Tim Burton's 1989 gothic classic which was a massive success back then. Danny Elfman's Batman theme is a big favorite too. |
When you have to shoot...shoot. Don't talk!
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Originally Posted by Steve Christou
Well I like Uma Thurman a lot more than I do Katie Holmes for a start, though Uma was pretty dreadful in Batman.
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Originally Posted by Russell G
And Clooney was a wicked Bruce Wayne, the best ever matter of fact! Lots to like about Batman & Robin!
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Originally Posted by Edwin-S
Not applicable. Comparing whether Godfather is better made than Pee-wee's Big Adventure is a straw man. The two films are in vastly different genres and designed to meet different objectives.
The two films being discussed are within the same genre and have the same main character. The argument of whether one is better than the other is specific. My contention was that if the viewer liked Batman and Robin better than Batman Begins then it stands to reason that the first one better met his criteria for an enjoyable Batman film: therefore, for him, it was a better made film than Batman Begins. Also cutting random images with repetitious dialogue and cutting them together does not constitute a valid criticism of the film, since it takes those images out of context with the rest of the film. The clip is funny but essentially meaningless. I don't get the idea of a "guilty pleasure". I either like the film or I don't. If I like the film then I don't feel guilty about liking it. Other people may hate it but ultimately that is no concern of mine. I sure wouldn't call someone a moron because his or her opinion of a movie doesn't coincide with mine. I don't think that Batman and Robin is a better movie than Batman Begins, but if someone thinks otherwise then so what. All it means, is that their criteria for a good Batman flick differs from mine. |
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Originally Posted by DavidPla
WRONG! Clooney was terrible all around, by far the worst Batman or Bruce Wayne from all the films. Bobbing your head does not make you a good Bruce Wayne (or Batman for that matter).
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Originally Posted by Russell G
What do you mean? Keaton was a goofball, Kilmer was detached and Bale was just a snot pot. Clooney was perfect as the suave playboy who could get down to business.
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Originally Posted by DavidPla
Keaton's the only one who got laid.
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Originally Posted by Russell G
??? in real life?
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Originally Posted by Paul_Scott
Steve,
what qualities does the Burton film have that appeal to you more than Begins? What components of the film make you feel satiated as a viewer or a Batman fan.Not planning on being argumentative, just curious. |
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Originally Posted by Russell G
i did, and that makes no sense.
I'm talking about an actor performing a character, not plot points. |
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Originally Posted by Steve Christou
Paul, I'm really shocked that there are members on this thread and not just excited teenagers, who are genuinely taken aback that some people may prefer another Batman film to Batman Begins.
I'm a Tim Burton fan and his two Batman films are favorites I watch again and again. I like the atmosphere, the music, the weirdness. Keaton, I felt, was a lot more charismatic than Bale and Nicholson is the Joker for my generation, just like Ledger will be the Joker for this generation. And I'm sure there are people who adore Cesar Romero's Joker. |
"Because he's the hero that Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now... and so we'll hunt him... because he can take it... because he's not a hero... he's a silent guardian, a watchful protector... a DARK KNIGHT."
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Originally Posted by Steve Christou
Paul, I'm really shocked that there are members on this thread and not just excited teenagers, who are genuinely taken aback that some people may prefer another Batman film to Batman Begins.
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Originally Posted by Steve Christou
Paul, I'm really shocked that there are members on this thread and not just excited teenagers, who are genuinely taken aback that some people may prefer another Batman film to Batman Begins.
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Originally Posted by Paul_Scott
At 41, I just don't give a shit what anybody thinks anymore.
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Originally Posted by Paul_Scott
So which generation is that?
How old were you guys when you bonded with the first Batman?I was 22 and worried I was getting too old to be so obsessed over stuff like this. At 41, I just don't give a shit what anybody thinks anymore. |
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Originally Posted by JonZ
I have to admit I sort of like Bad Boys 2. No its not a good movie by any means. But I enjoyed the bickering and chemistry between Lawrence and Smith. I never saw the first film.
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