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Shocking! Four hundred bottles of vintage port in the cellar and barely five months to go.

I think it needs another year actually.

I blame the wine committee very much. Very much indeed! Should have had more foresight. How can the members be expected to get through four hundred bottles in five months?



A discourse between two members of the stuffiest club in Melbourne as they (and everyone) wait for the winds and currents to bring the radiation and fallout (and subsequent sickness and certain death) from WWIII to the earth’s last survivors. Gregory Peck and Ava Gardner star as star-crossed lovers (but then again, who is not star-crossed in this plot) who come together briefly and must part even sooner than death would take them.

On the Beach made from Nevil Shute’s novel of the same name caused a lot of controversy and discussion when it was released in 1959, but as the possibility of nuclear war and the destruction off all mankind has had many, more satisfactory treatments, the only reason to watch it now is of historical interest, as everything is trite and predictable.
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The Sea Wolf - 5 of 10
stars list - Edward G Robinson

Edward G Robinson is very good, but for being the titular role he's more of a supporting character, and the rest of the story is haphazard and uneven. Curtiz's direction is nice, I especially liked the bit where the ships boat heads out to the Ghost and as it disappears into the background mist and the steamboat cuts through the foreground and the camera cuts into the steamboat passengers. The script's plotting is really weak, and the horning in of a 'gotta-have-a-girl' subplot is thematically stupid and causes all sorts of awkward issues, likewise for the plotting of the ships doctor. Tremendously uneven but with a fair ear for dialogue that allows supporting players like Ida Lupino, John Garfield and Barry Fitzgerald to do fairly well. There is a secondary lead with an upper-crust accent who is extremely boring. But mainly this is interesting for Robinson. and the opening bit where a couple guys are pressganged onto his ship.


The Ghost is a seal ship no one wants to work on. Edward G Robinson is it's skipper a half-mad, very intelligent hard scrabble man. He's on the run from his brother (the script is very vague on this point despite it being relatively important to the plot). Meanwhile a couple people from a shipwrecked steamboat get picked up by the Ghost. Will the men mutiny against a tyrannical master? hmm...

done with the men's stars list.
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Out of the cradle, endlessly rocking


Having seen all of the AFI 100 movies and our revote, I have not commented on the movies added to the list in 2007. Most of these of course are already included in other AFI lists, but not all, Intolerance being but one.

Once you get past the limitations of the day (1916) the complexity of this work emerges as a seamless whole. By the time we get to the last 15–20 minutes, the artifice of the various story lines disappears and the increased tempo of the cross-cutting just sweeps the viewer along to the conclusion.

I do feel that the coda could have been discarded.
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He was sweeping!


Although this refers to the town simpleton (accidentally run over by a car)in The Last Picture Show. It also sums up life in Larry McMurty’s dwindling, small Texas town of the 1950s. There is high school football (and the team is not much good), feeble attempts at teen-age sex and real desultory affairs and not much else.

Peter Bogdanovich has perfectly captured the author’s vision of Anarene, Texas and Cybil Shepard brings frustrated Jacy to life in her first role (the rest of the cast is also perfect, Timothy Bottoms, Jeff Bridges, Cloris Leachman and Ellen Burstyn). A coming of age story, where there is nowhere to go when one grows up—except perhaps to Korea.


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I will take the Ring to Mordor—though I do not know the way.


I love all the books and all of the movies—but The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring is, by itself, not so finely realized, nor as great as all of the Ring movies taken as a whole. Director Peter Jackson has done an outstanding job of bringing J.R.R. Tolkien’s epic trilogy to life, but in the end this is a case where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. The Academy was right to withhold the Oscar until the trilogy was complete—and right to award it when it was.
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Don't you see, Sophie? We're dying.


Meryl Streep’s is at her best as Sophie in Sophie’s Choice based on William Styron’s novel of the same name. A concentration camp survivor, Sophie finds a new life in America, a new love and rekindled compassion for one who loves her, but in the end, none of this is enough to make up for the horrors of the past.

While for me, the novel is unsurpassed, the Pakula’s version comes close enough to Styron that I was content.
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You are a child’s plaything


And so is everything in Toy Story, surprisingly fine, computer-animated Walt Disney movie that is nearly as excellent as anything the studio produced in its golden era. Joss Whedon (among others) wrote the ‘buddy’ story set in a playroom.
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Here are my ratings for the I 2007 Top 100 Movies, based on a 4 star scale (4=masterpiece; 3=’must-see’; 2=worth seeing; 1=has redeeming feature(s):


Ben-Hur


Deer Hunter, The
In the Heat of the Night
Sixth Sense, The
Sound of Music, The
Swing Time
Titanic
Tootsie


12 Angry Men
African Queen, The
All About Eve
All the President's Men
Annie Hall
Best Years of our Lives, The
Blade Runner
Bonnie & Clyde
Bridge on the River Kwai, The
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
Cabaret
Clockwork Orange, A
Double Indemnity
E.T. The Extra Terrestrial
Easy Rider
French Connection, The
Godfather, The
Gone with the Wind
Graduate, The
Grapes of Wrath, The
High Noon
It Happened One Night
King Kong
M*A*S*H
Maltese Falcon, The
Midnight Cowboy
Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
Night at the Opera, A
Philadelphia Story, The
Psycho
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Rocky
Saving Private Ryan
Shane
Silence of the Lambs, The
Spartacus
Star Wars
Streetcar Named Desire, A
Taxi Driver
To Kill a Mockingbird
Toy Story
Unforgiven
Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
Yankee Doodle Dandy


2001: A Space Odyssey
American Graffiti
Apartment, The
Apocalypse Now
Bringing Up Baby
Casablanca
Chinatown
Citizen Kane
City Lights
Do the Right Thing
Dr. Strangelove
Duck Soup
Forrest Gump
General, The
Godfather Part II, The
Gold Rush, The
Goodfellas
Intolerance
It's a Wonderful Life
Jaws
Last Picture Show, The
Lawrence of Arabia
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, The
Modern Times
Nashville
Network
North by Northwest
On the Waterfront
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Platoon
Pulp Fiction
Raging Bull
Rear Window
Schindler's List
Searchers, The
Shawshank Redemption, The
Singin' in the Rain
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
Some Like it Hot
Sophie's Choice
Sullivan's Travels
Sunrise
Sunset Boulevard
Treasure of Sierra Madre, The
Vertigo
West Side Story
Wild Bunch, The
Wizard of Oz, The
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Tales of Manhattan - 10 of 10
Stars list - Rita Hayworth

Rita Hayworth, Charles Boyer, Henry Fonda, Ginger Rogers, Charles Laughton, Edward G Robinson, WC Fields, Paul Robeson and more. This film has a hell of a cast and is beautifully directed by Julien Duvivier. It's also an anthology film that works both as short films and as a cohesive feature. The script(s) are absolutely fabulous and the whole film is a constantly charming delight.

A coat-with-tails arrives for a gentleman's important evening out, but the tailor nervously reveals to the valet that one of his tailors cursed the coat as he quit his job. the valet brushes this off. Cut to the gentleman getting shot. Then the curtain falls and Charles Boyer pops right up to take his curtain call. But he's not taking another curtain call he's off to an important party--he simply must brag to his former costar and lost love that he opened a hit without her. and He secretly hopes that this triumph will bring her back into his good graces, despite the annoyance of her being married now. Married to a gun collector and big game hunter who is somewhat drunk tonight. Rita Hayworth plays his old co-star and she is outstanding as she handles numerous transitions the script requires her to undergo. She's standoffish and icy, she melts, she's passionate, torn, foolish, panicy, conniving, sly and stunned. It's a pretty nice role for about fifteen minutes of screen time, and she's excellent in it.

From here the jacket is quickly passed on to another fellow. it becomes a very important spare coat to a philandering fool on the day of his wedding. Ginger Rogers is his affianced and Henry Fonda is the best buddy he calls in to save him when she discovers a love note from his paramour, 'Squirrel', in his pocket. Fonda uses the spare coat to pretend that he accidently grabbed the wrong coat the previous night at the wild bachelor party. And Rogers is a bit hot and bothered by the racy note and what it implies about Fonda who she thought to be very staid and nerdy. they start trading barbs, evolve into flirting then nudge themselves into suddenly falling in love with the other. Sparks fly and the dialogue is superb and then miss Squirrel shows up and the furniture and fur starts to fly. The coat gets pawned and then bought by the wife of an up and coming musician (Charles Laughton) to be worn at his first time conducting. This is an almost silent piece and Laughton's performance is simply superb. The coat is handed to charity, and Laughton declares it a rabbits foot. And so it passes to a down on his luck bum (edward G robinson) who is going to be forced by the circumstances (and fortuitous coat) to attend a class reunion. he has to face up to himself and his own failings (and successes) in life that has brought him to such a low point. And perhaps he gains some self respect and perhaps he dips back into the drink. The coat is sent back to the pawn shop and a thief steals it, bumps over a 'private' mobster casino and absconds in a plane with the coat now stuffed with cash. But the plane causes the coat to catch fire and the thief tosses it overboard. It floats down to a truly destitute farmer (Paul Robeson) and his wife, and they take the money to the pastor to figure out how to best do the right thing with it. Although this final bit is over the top and a bit hammy it's also a perfect emotional close to the film, and often quite affecting when Duvivier sticks to the expressive shots and steers clear from the impoverished black farmer dialect.

The whole thing is like something Mark Twain would come up with, and with such a pantheon of stars, it's a great film to (nearly) close out the stars list with, 568 down, 2 to go.
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I haven't read the entire thread so I apologize if I am repeating someone else's thred, but I was wondering if anyone else has entered the contest at the AFI site for choosing the #1 in each of the 10 categories. The winner gets a $1,000 gift certificate to Best Buy. I basically chose my favorites in each category which means I probably won't get any right.

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Wow Lew, I must say I am surprised by some of your low ratings there.

"Movies should be like amusement parks. People should go to them to have fun." - Billy Wilder

"Subtitles good. Hollywood bad." - Tarzan, Sight & Sound 2012 voter.

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I never thought Lew and I agreed on anything but I actually agree with the majority his ratings (on his rating scale). I still haven't watched NASHVILLE though. I'd put NETWORK on his scale but I'm glad someone enjoyed INTOLERANCE, which might be #1 on my all time list. There are several on the three-star list that I'd bump up and some on the four star list that I'd bump down but no major differences.

However, I must be the only person on Earth that thinks TOOTSIE is better than SOME LIKE IT HOT.
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I made a data entry error on Star Wars. It should have been 3 stars, something I did not notice until I was checking my low ratings due to George’s comment.

As an aside George, I might have rated The Sixth Sense a bit too high. And no doubt you think that I rated Titanic too high.
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It's been years since I've seen sixth sense but it was one of the events of 1999 that really ignited by interest in film, when it got nominated for a lot of oscars (and star wars didn't) I got very interested in the process and started to try to see the films buzzed about and nominated alongside it in other categories. Then the next summer was when I first saw films like Grave of the Fireflies, Casablanca, Bicycle Thieves, Citizen Kane, Psycho, and Empire of the Sun. Last time I watched the film it seemed to still hold up, but I'll have to revisit it sometime soon.

Got to disagree with Lew about On the Beach. I found that film to be tremendous, and not at all trite. I thought it was pretty impressive on many levels and still somewhat relevant today as we're looking for new countries to be nuclear enemies with.

while I sort of agree that the whole of the Lord of the Rings is better than any individual movie, I still think Fellowship is the best of the movies, has the fewest structural/thematic problems and is the most tightly constructed of the series.
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And no doubt you think that I rated Titanic too high.
Of course. And there are others you rate 4 star that I'd disagree with. But that doesn't really surprise me as you usually rank a number of films higher than me. I'm just not used to seeing you give lower ratings, at least not on films that are usually lumped in the 'classic' category, such as Ben-Hur and Heat of the Night.

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"Subtitles good. Hollywood bad." - Tarzan, Sight & Sound 2012 voter.

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Do you have a guy in class like me every year?


Asks Jeff Spicoi (Sean Penn) of his teacher, Mr. Hand (Ray Walston) in what is probably the most truthful line in Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Amy Heckerling’s directorial debut. And there are plenty of fun moments—all in the end dragged down by a story that can’t decide if it wants to be a social commentary on teen life in the 70s or just another teen sexploitation movie.

But all you have to know to answer this question is to know that Sean Penn has top billing in a role that could be cut from the movie with no loss to the plot.
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Do you have a guy in class like me every year?


Asks Jeff Spicoi (Brad Pitt) of his teacher, Mr. Hand (Ray Walston) in what is probably the most truthful line in Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Amy Heckerling’s directorial debut. .

Lew, that's almost like my friend thinking it was Kurt Russell in 1976's King Kong - wasn't he surprised!

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Thanks for the wakeup Mike—I’m not sure how I miswrote (especialy as I got the name right in the second mention--good job that there was not a third reference), but I’ve corrected the error.
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Arabesque - 8ish of 10
stars list - Sophia Loren

while this Stanley Donen film is clearly chasing the success of Charade (with Loren and Peck this time out) and some of it doesn't quite make sense it is still relentlessly charming and so beautifully made in that just slightly-over-the-top Donen trademark that I love it regardless of its shortcomings. A very enjoyable entertainment, quite a lot of fun from beginning to end. There are some sequences that are comically brilliant. The extended shower sequence which begins with Loren turning on the shower in subterfuge to cover the sounds of her and Pecks voices as they conspire. Then forces Peck into the shower to hide, then convolutes to have Loren positioned with no choice but to take the shower or blow her cover. then she's trying to maintain her modesty, maintain her cover and take a shower and she drops the soap. Heh it couldn't get more classic/iconic/recycled but Donen pulls it off so flawlessly that it's refreshing and awesome.

I'm not really sure how to rate this, as the movie ages for me it'll probably shift, but at this point I can't tell if it'll go down to a seven or up to a nine, right now my instincts are going towards nine.

I also watched the Hustler (finally) cause I rented it after seeing it on the shelf on the AFI ten top ten section at best buy yesterday, I'll post my thoughts on it if it does make the sports list (I think it'll make it) on tuesday.

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I haven't read the entire thread so I apologize if I am repeating someone else's thred, but I was wondering if anyone else has entered the contest at the AFI site for choosing the #1 in each of the 10 categories. The winner gets a $1,000 gift certificate to Best Buy. I basically chose my favorites in each category which means I probably won't get any right.

I did enter it, picking your favorites may be a good strategy if you have the same taste as the aggregate of the AFI. in my estimation, you'll probably do well if you picked one of the following :

Pinocchio
Snow White

To Kill a Mockingbird
12 Angry Men

Ben Hur
Gone with the Wind
Lawrence of Arabia

Fellowship of the Ring
It's a Wonderful Life
Wizard of Oz

The Godfather
The Godfather Part II
Goodfellas

Chinatown
The Maltese Falcon
Rear Window
Vertigo

Annie Hall
The Apartment
City Lights

Star Wars
2001 A Space Odyssey

Raging Bull
Rocky

The Searchers (I figure this is the only lock, while I think the top spots are somewhat competive for the others, except perhaps Gangster which will go to Godfather, imo, but you never know)
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You know, Norman, you really are the sweetest man in the world, but I'm the only one who knows it.


The man in question (Henry Fonda) is a curmudgeon with a heart of gold, who has spent most of his 80 years alienating everyone except his wife (Katherine Hepburn) and especially his daughter (Jane Fonda).

This is a movie that has everything: big names in the lead roles, incredibly beautiful cinematography, an alienated, but still appealing young teen-age boy (who becomes best friends with Norman) and a script that telegraphs every move well in advance. On Golden Pond was beloved by Hollywood at the time, something that I thought was just a long overdue tribute to Henry Fonda (a chance to give him an Oscar), but the movie has survived as it seems to be included on every AFI ‘best’ list in any category that it might be included. For me however, this is a film that is very much less than the sum of its parts. I can never really believe in the characters, the setup or the payoff.

Worth seeing for Fonda’s last appearance, but he was better in many another film.
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On the other hand…


Tevye (a pretty good Topol) debates with himself in Fiddler on the Roof, Norman Jewison’s screen version of the stage musical of the same name. Possibly less sentimental than the play, but much, much longer—so long in fact that we almost forget that we knew in the fist reel that all the girls were going to marry an unsuitable man and that their father would relent.

Worth watching for the marvelous music and the dance numbers, but then you could just get a CD.
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New films to the list:

Anatomy of a Murder
Back to the Future
Cinderella
A Cry in the Dark
Finding Nemo
The Hustler
In Cold Blood
Judgement at Nuremeberg
Kramer Vs Kramer
McCabe and Mrs. Miller
Red River
Shrek
The Thief of Bagdad
Witness for the Prosecution

Also on the HTF movies revoted list
Back to the Future

Also on the HTF AFI stars list
Judgement at Nuremberg
Red River
Witness for the Prosecution

Ten total new films, fourteen if you don’t count the other lists.
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Above the falls…


Where The Mission is built and where the noble savage is never nobler and civilized man is most uncivilized. Any movie that has Robert De Niro and Jeremy Irons in the lead roles and has Iguazú Falls as a backdrop and is a sword and religion, costume drama ought to be a sure-fire winner.

Unfortunately both the script and directing seem to be as unfocused and confused as De Niro’s search for redemption. And as a matter of historical interest, the movie depicts the Spanish, having outlawed slavery, as marginally better than the Portuguese in matters of dealing with the natives; but in point of fact eradicated the native population in what is now Argentina, while the natives survived in what is now Brazil.

This might be worth watching for Iguazú and the surrounding jungle, but almost any travelogue would have more interest.
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I made myself rewatch The Mission, finishing off the AFI Scores top 25. My ratings based on Jonathan Rosenbaum’s 4 star system: 4=masterpiece; 3=must see; 2=worth seeing; 1=has redeeming feature(s):



Ben-Hur
Mission, The




Adventures of Robin Hood
How the West Was Won
Laura
Magnificent Seven, The
On Golden Pond




E.T.
Godfather, The
Gone with the Wind
High Noon
King Kong
On the Waterfront
Out of Africa
Pink Panther, The
Planet of the Apes
Psycho
Star Wars
Streetcar Named Desire, A
To Kill a Mockingbird



Chinatown
Jaws
Lawrence of Arabia
Sunset Blvd.
Vertigo
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I found the score of the Mission to be very excellent, but the film overall to be problematic. Chris Menges' cinematography is breathtaking though.
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Fish are friends—not food.


A reminder from a shark to himself in Finding Nemo, an antimated father and son movie with a small clown fish in the title role, that is a reason to have small children. A ton of fun even if predictable—if you are not a parent or an aunt or uncle, rent a neighborhood kid and see the movie—or just go by yourself.
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I found the score of the Mission to be very excellent, but the film overall to be problematic. Chris Menges' cinematography is breathtaking though.
I too thought that the score was excellent—taken by itself. But I think that in context, much of the score did not add to the film. I really did not care for the natives in church, with the (very Western, religious) coral music swelling in the background. For me this was just one more reminder that I was watching a polemic—and a not very good or accurate one either.

I agree as to the cinematography. On the downside, the editing was extremely disjointed.
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You, uh... you don't entertain much, do you?


And indeed Shrek the ogre with a heart-of-gold does not only does not entertain; he is not a part of society at all. Regardless the story of his journey from monster to winner manages this transaction with skill, wit, charm, tongue-in-cheek comment (and commentary of earlier fairytales) and stunning computer animation.

No doubt everyone has already seen this gem. On the off chance that you have not—do so now.
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It was an irresistible impulse.


And this is at the heart attorney Paul Biegler’s (Jimmy Stewart) defense of his client accused of murder in Anatomy of a Murder, taken from the novel of the same name. Set in Michigan’s upper peninsula, Biegler is a small town attorney who would rather be fishing, but classically answers the bell when called upon to defend a client in what seems an open and shut case. And in the tradition of such trials, nothing is what it seems.

Outstanding if a bit long.
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