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Originally Posted by Craig Beam
On another note, I placed my order for the OL 3-disc set on Thursday of last week, and haven't heard ANY response from LaLaLand Records... Hmmm....
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Originally Posted by tanaleaf
Yes, it seems to be in G minor (more or less). The lower rhythmic accompaniment is like a Gm triad, where the fifth (D) keeps going up (to D#) and then down (to Db) -- or so it sounds to my ears; meanwhile, the higher melody goes D, down to Bb, up to D, down to Bb, then UP to Bb (one octave higher than the other Bb) and down to A, then down to F#, and back down to D... and so on.
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Originally Posted by tanaleaf
I'll rummage around in my basement later, and see if I can find that old TZ magazine which reproduced Lubin's printed score (which was only one page long). Maybe I can figure out how to post it... somehow. (But how?)
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Originally Posted by tanaleaf
Yes -- and that dissonant C# (or Db, which to me is the same thing) is our old friend "the flatted fifth," found everywhere from "Black Sabbath" (title track by Ozzy's old band, not the Karloff flick) to James Bernard's "Dracula" theme.
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Originally Posted by tanaleaf
Also, that raised 7th (the high F#) in Lubin's main theme is, to me, just as important (and haunting) as the flatted fifth it then starts toward.
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Originally Posted by tanaleaf
Yep -- and there's that raised 7th again (F#), which again makes what would otherwise be a standard G minor chord so hauntingly eerie. Lubin uses it very effectively, and certainly gets a lot of mileage out of it.
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Originally Posted by Ockeghem
I think it can be scanned and then posted, but others may need to weigh in on just how to help you do that. If you do end up posting it, I will be printing it out for my own scholarly usage, of course.
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| For me, it's the instability of the augmented triad (B-flat / D / F-sharp) that moves me so much. I need for it to resolve so badly! When it does, there is a sense of finality to it. |
| And of course, the minor (as opposed to major) mode is and always will be my favorite of modes. |
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Originally Posted by tanaleaf
Ditto. Take the natural minor scale, raise the 7th (a la harmonic minor), then also raise the 4th (for that discordant "flatted fifth" flavor), and voila -- we could dub the result "the Lubin scale"! (Actually, I think such a scale does exist, and may go under the name of "Hungarian minor"...?)
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Originally Posted by tanaleaf
You can certainly play just about any Season 2 OUTER LIMITS cue -- the end title theme, Ikar's theme, Trent's theme, etc. -- using just the "Lubin scale" alone (give or take a perfect 4th, here and there).
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Originally Posted by Tanaleaf
(Robert Colbert's original DARK SHADOWS theme is also, in its own way, rather reminiscent of Lubin's style -- or at least that's how it strikes me.)
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Originally Posted by Ockeghem
... I kind of like "The Lubin Scale" better. If it didn't already exists as the Hungarian minor, I would be writing to Lubin soon to ask for patenting rights--LOL.
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Originally Posted by tanaleaf
Sadly, Lubin died in 1977 (according to IMDb). But if you're interested in seeing his manuscript scores, etc., I understand that there is a Harry Lubin collection of TV and film scores archived at UCLA (don't know how you might go about accessing it, though):
unitproj.library.ucla.edu/music/mlsc/ftma.cfm (Scroll down the page about halfway.) |
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Originally Posted by tanaleaf
For anyone who might be interested (and who has eight minutes with nothing better to do), I've posted a short video on YouTube of the first scene of an ongoing (hopefully), homemade sci-fi home video "work-in-progress."
Being a huge Outer Limits fan, I've tried to give it an OL "flavor" in various (admittedly amateurish) ways; the OL influence is probably (hopefully!) most detectable in basic concept, camerawork, and music score. (Or at least that's what I was aiming for!) It's just for fun: YouTube - THE GUEST Scene 1 Comments welcome! :-) |
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Originally Posted by Carabimero
I got my OUTER LIMITS 3-Disc set. Putting it on my iPod now. Thanks so much for the heads-up!
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Originally Posted by Carabimero
I just clicked FIND TRACK NAMES in my iTunes and they came right up for all three discs, including the other disc that had THE UNKNOWN on it.
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| Harry N--is the instrumental music for THE UNKNOWN also uSed in THE INVADERS or just the opening title? I'm simply not familiar enough with it yet--although I finished season one tonight and LOVED IT (The Invaders). |
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Originally Posted by Harry-N
Something I meant to point out a while ago in this thread is about the CD-Text included on the CDs.
Someone mentioned that when they put the disc in their computer, there were no titles assigned to the tracks, and another mentioned that someone has to be first in entering the titles. That's all true, but there's another method of titling that LA-LA Land has given us, the use of CD-Text. CD-Text is a method of attaching title and artist information to a CD. It was developed by Sony and Philips and was sort-of an addendum to their redbook standards. Some players out there can read the information, many can not. I have a car player that reads CD-Text and displays it on the main panel, and one of my newer DVD players has a CD-Text reading facility. Anyway, the tracks on the OUTER LIMITS set are labeled with CD-Text. Each track is listed with its track number, a cue number, and a title. So it might look like this (I'm making up the numbers): 14 (OL245/47) GROOM BE GONE But each one has a series of OLxxx numbers in parentheses. Though it doesn't document it, I'll bet these were Dom Frontiere's original cue numbers used for the shows. The example I made up uses the same title as the booklet name for the cue, but these differ on many occasions and also might have been Dom's original names for the cues. I wish I had a CD-Text reader on the computer and could capture this info, but wanted to at least tip off some of the fans here that the information IS THERE on the CD. You just need to find a way of getting it. Harry |
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Originally Posted by Charles Thaxton
There are several cues in THE UNKNOWN that show up in INVADERS pilot "Beach Head"(besides the main title). The new OUTER LIMITS CD has a BUNCH of cues used in the pilot also (the cues from ZZZZ especially)
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| I just watched "The Beachhead" the other night and was completely surprised by the vast amount of TOL cues in there. |
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Originally Posted by michael_ks
The scene with David Vincent's vain attempt to escape the clutches of the hospital staff plays with Frontiere's "The Creature Wakes" cue from "Tourist Attraction". One of these days I shall receive "The Invaders" set from Deep Discount and then finally get the chance to listen for more OL cues...
BTW, I sat through "Tourist Attraction" the other night and it played worse for me than on prior viewings. This is really an uninspired, poorly performed and written segment and a very season 2 flavored episode with its bland, grey toned visuals. But it makes for a great comparison to something like "Don't Open 'till Doomsday" where mediocre vs. great cinematography is concerned. Oh well, so much for that outing--next up, "The Architects of Fear"! |
| But even "The Human Factor" played better than I remembered. |
| And it's fun to note that Joseph Stefano lobbied for Sally Kellerman |
| My The Invaders DVD took 19 days from Deep Discount, but the show holds up well (except for the ghastly orange faces in the first few episodes). |
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Originally Posted by Hollywoodaholic
I just watched "The Beachhead" the other night and was completely surprised by the vast amount of TOL cues in there. It was like a greatest TOL hits of Dominic Frontiere. I believe I even heard the love theme cue from "Architects of Fear" played very low under a scene between Thinnes and Diane Baker.
Then, in the following episode, "The Experiment" ... I don't recall hearing any TOL music. You get the feeling once the show got picked up, Frontiere scrambled to compose more original cues for the series. |
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Originally Posted by michael_ks
BTW, I sat through "Tourist Attraction" the other night and it played worse for me than on prior viewings. This is really an uninspired, poorly performed and written segment and a very season 2 flavored episode with its bland, grey toned visuals. But it makes for a great comparison to something like "Don't Open 'till Doomsday" where mediocre vs. great cinematography is concerned.
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Originally Posted by michael_ks
Oh well, so much for that outing--next up, "The Architects of Fear"!
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| I don't think you're going to be disappointed with that one. |
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Originally Posted by michael_ks
My shipment from LaLaLand Records arrived over the weekend and I've been enraptured by the many many sumptuous cues penned by Mr. Frontiere. The audio fidelity and recording levels are top notch--to the point that I often found myself visualizing the instruments played. It's very nearly all here and it is entrancing, haunting and just plain incredible music. Many of the cues seemed new to me, minus the sound effects and I listened with rapt attention to some of my favorite scores such as "Don't Open till Doomsday", "The Human Factor" and "The Man Who Was Never Born" (which exceeds the GNP Crescendo tracks for sound quality by a country mile--I played them both and the difference was very stark indeed!). I did notice that for "ZZZZZ", the track times are way off, and in fact around 3 minutes of music is represented, as opposed to nearly 8.
Man, the minimalist cues, the harp glissandi, which I'm such a sucker for...all here in their ethereal glory. Wow! The other set, which features "The Forms of Things Unknown" is great as well, if perhaps a bit less stellar sounding than the 3 CD set. I have a feeling that some music is still missing but am unsure exactly what. At any rate, "Andre's theme" and the music for the twirling figurine are wonderfully dreamy and a delight to hear. One of my favorite bits of music is included as well--the gypsy funeral precession as imagined by Leonora (Barbara Rush). I sent a letter to LaLaland Records to extend my heartfelt congratulations and thanks for making this OL fan ecstatically happy. Also implored them to please release "Stoney Burke" and "Invaders" in the near future. |
Bring back John Doe! Or at least resolve the cliff-hanger with a 2hr movie or as an extra on a dvd release.
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Originally Posted by Hollywoodaholic
I thought the liner notes were well done, also. They could've just included a cardboard slip card and most of us would have been happy, but we got 14 pages. And it just came out of nowhere. I didn't even read anything about it on a couple OL sites I check. Thanks again to Harry-N for bringing it up on the thread here.
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